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[skybluetony176]

Sorry, I didn't see where I typed that.
That 11k stadium is absolutely killing AFC Bournemouth at the moment, isn't it.......

I'm sure Bournemouth and their sugar daddy would love a stadium like the Ricoh. Let's not try and kid ourselves that they've achieved what they've achieved thanks to an 11K stadium capacity. You're not that stupid I'm sure and I doubt anyone else is.

 

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[Skyblueweeman]

Doesn't change our tenant status though, might not improve our earning potential (especially if it limits gates to below 16K) so in actual fact might actually make us a less attractive proposition for potential new owners. But as long as we can get one over on Wasps hey.

I agree about the tenant status to a degree but we're more likely to get some sort of joint ownership of BPA than we are the Ricoh. 250 year lease isn't it? And actually, buying two Coventry clubs could be attractive, much along the lines of the Bristol model.

With regards to revenue, I'm not sure how it would be worse. Say it was capped initially at 12-14k...we're not getting crowds like that at the moment, so we'd be getting more ticket revenue and potentially all of the pie money.

And if you read my post, it's not about getting one over Wasps (although that would be a nice by product). It's about not subsidising their bond re-payments (why should we) and we'd be free from the shackles and shit history that has been the Ricoh Arena.

Nice deflection though...

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Sorry, I didn't see where I typed that.
That 11k stadium is absolutely killing AFC Bournemouth at the moment, isn't it.......

But Bournemouth are owned by American Billionaires, and a Russian multi Millionaire, or course it doesn't bother them mate.

 

[albatross]

Sorry, I didn't see where I typed that.
That 11k stadium is absolutely killing AFC Bournemouth at the moment, isn't it.......

You have to consider where Bournemouth are, they have a approx £100,000,000 guaranteed income before they sell a ticket. Once in the premier league the big ticket item is the TV money. I'm sure they can get by.

 

[Captain Dart]

I said a sustainable future which clearly wouldn't be at £2m.

Should be based on what other clubs that rent their ground pay. It needs to include F&B and other hospitality at good rates.
An agreement that promotes synergy. Unfortunately that word and cooperation do not appear to be in Ms Seppla's lexicon.

 

[Ashdown]

So those supposed losses he has revealed................were they ensured by Management/admin charges again and his 200k salary ? You couldn't make that clap trap up, he's having quite a few people over again. As suggested he's talking about fairy tale stadiums whilst actually laying plans to continue court action, cost cutting, selling Ryton and continuing with a short term cost strategy { Anderson not to be replaced is another slashing exercise } to give the wankers the best chance of bailing out softly as soon as the last barrister pulls off his wig !

 

[Moff]

Happy with league one then ?

What a load of horse shit. You can do better than that Italia.

 

[Moff]

You have to consider where Bournemouth are, they have a approx £100,000,000 guaranteed income before they sell a ticket. Once in the premier league the big ticket item is the TV money. I'm sure they can get by.

The same as everyone else in that league though, so in that respect I think Weeman was pointing out that with lesser income streams than other clubs in the Premier league Bournemouth are still competitive.

 

[ceetee]

It saddens me that there are grown adults, intelligent-sounded people like yourself who are not morally outraged by SISU's forcible breaking of the lease through Phoenixing tactics, and who wouldn't celebrate when they were foiled in their objectives by the council whipping the rug from under them by selling to Wasps. It was so richly deserved, it was delicious.

That maybe so and I'm no defender of SISU, but at the end of the day SISU will retire hurt but the damage to the football club may be fatal. I will only rejoice at the demise of SISU if the football club survives the process.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm sure Bournemouth and their sugar daddy would love a stadium like the Ricoh. Let's not try and kid ourselves that they've achieved what they've achieved thanks to an 11K stadium capacity. You're not that stupid I'm sure and I doubt anyone else is.

that's what you got from that post? That he was saying Bournemouth are where they are because of an 11k capacity stadium dear, oh dear.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

that's what you got from that post? That he was saying Bournemouth are where they are because of an 11k capacity stadium dear, oh dear.

Without seeming to jump to Tony's defence, he's not saying that at all. SBWM is saying that having an 11k stadium isn't hurting the football club. If they weren't owned by Billionaires and multi-millionaires it would certainly play a big part in it though

 

[Grendel]

Without seeming to jump to Tony's defence, he's not saying that at all. SBWM is saying that having an 11k stadium isn't hurting the football club. If they weren't owned by Billionaires and multi-millionaires it would certainly play a big part in it though

The real point is though a billionaire owner would look at a club who own an 11,000 stadium before looking at a club that rents 23 days a year and gets no commercial benefits whatsoever.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

The real point is though a billionaire owner would look at a club who own an 11,000 stadium before looking at a club that rents 23 days a year and gets no commercial benefits whatsoever.

And real owners(Prospective or otherwise) would have looked at CCFC in 2007 and saw 22k+ crowds in a rented stadium but had the chance at that time to buy into it knowing that some investment on the field could push that team back into the Premier league. Wouldn't the prospective owners jump at that chance?... Oh wait a minute.......

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

And real owners(Prospective or otherwise) would have looked at CCFC in 2007 and saw 22k+ crowds in a rented stadium but had the chance at that time to buy into it knowing that some investment on the field could push that team back into the Premier league. Wouldn't the prospective owners jump at that chance?... Oh wait a minute.......

Yeah but any prospective owner can look at the years before 2005 and see crowds of 13k at Highfield Road.

Let's be honest, the high crowds was a new stadium bounce. Our last few averages in Highfield Road were woeful

 

[Grendel]

And real owners(Prospective or otherwise) would have looked at CCFC in 2007 and saw 22k+ crowds in a rented stadium but had the chance at that time to buy into it knowing that some investment on the field could push that team back into the Premier league. Wouldn't the prospective owners jump at that chance?... Oh wait a minute.......

I don't think any organisation would have paid anything for the higgs share in isolation. Also at the time Gidney felt the club were a huge inconvenience and a himderence to his madcap scheme of rivalling the NEC

 

[Skyblueweeman]

I'm sure Bournemouth and their sugar daddy would love a stadium like the Ricoh. Let's not try and kid ourselves that they've achieved what they've achieved thanks to an 11K stadium capacity. You're not that stupid I'm sure and I doubt anyone else is.

So you agree that I didn't say 'I'm happy with League One'?

I agree, financial input off course would help. My point still stands, I'd rather us not rent a stadium of a franchised rugby club (when everyone was rightly up in arms about Northampton), when that rent will go to subsidise their bond repayments and they could screw us over at any point.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

But Bournemouth are owned by American Billionaires, and a Russian multi Millionaire, or course it doesn't bother them mate.

So we're never going to be owned by anyone else other than SISU? There's not a chance we could be owned by a multi-millionaire?

As for them, the main shareholder is the Russian. The Americans are a private equity firm...they got lucky. Speaking of luck, I had the pleasure to listen to Jeff Mostyn speak the other week about how AFC Bournemouth has in effect gone from Zero to Hero.

He bought the club for tuppence and put all his money into the club but then couldn't put any more in and put them into admin. Someone he knew was doing some painting and decorating at a Russians house who had just moved to the Bournemouth area and asked Mostyn if he could bring him to the club. He said yes, the Russian liked it and came back a few more times and the rest is history.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Yeah but any prospective owner can look at the years before 2005 and see crowds of 13k at Highfield Road.

Let's be honest, the high crowds was a new stadium bounce. Our last few averages in Highfield Road were woeful

We were regularly getting 20k crowds at the Ricoh which is the icing on the cake for a few years after leaving HR and I'm talking about buying into a Stadium capable of generating a lot of money as we have already seen.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

You have to consider where Bournemouth are, they have a approx £100,000,000 guaranteed income before they sell a ticket. Once in the premier league the big ticket item is the TV money. I'm sure they can get by.

Yeah, but you have to get there first, right? They didn't automatically parachute into the top flight.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

So we're never going to be owned by anyone else other than SISU? There's not a chance we could be owned by a multi-millionaire?

As for them, the main shareholder is the Russian. The Americans are a private equity firm...they got lucky. Speaking of luck, I had the pleasure to listen to Jeff Mostyn speak the other week about how AFC Bournemouth has in effect gone from Zero to Hero.

He bought the club for tuppence and put all his money into the club but then couldn't put any more in and put them into admin. Someone he knew was doing some painting and decorating at a Russians house who had just moved to the Bournemouth area and asked Mostyn if he could bring him to the club. He said yes, the Russian liked it and came back a few more times and the rest is history.

And doesn't that "Russian and American billionaires" actually put money into the football club? because no way could "Gate money/ST's money cover paying for £8-£10m players on a gate of 11k could it?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I don't think any organisation would have paid anything for the higgs share in isolation.

Also at the time Gidney felt the club were a huge inconvenience and a himderence to his madcap scheme of rivalling the NEC

Just a minute pal. IIRC Septic said [Quote "We want the freehold or nothing" Knowing that the freehold wasn't for sale, doesn't that tell you they had no intention whatsoever of "Buying into the Stadium" but wanted it all for nothing? Otherwise wtf is the JR all about???

 

[Skyblueweeman]

And doesn't that "Russian and American billionaires" actually put money into the football club? because no way could "Gate money/ST's money cover paying for £8-£10m players on a gate of 11k could it?

I didn't say it did. My point being that starting again in a smaller stadium wouldn't kill us.

Many are missing my point on this. I (my opinion) would rather that we weren't paying rent to a franchised rugby club, which will help them pay their bonds used to purchase a stadium that was built for us. I'd rather us be elsewhere within the City (such as BPA) and be free from the shackles and history of the past 10 years of shit.

A smaller stadium in Cov wouldn't kill us and would likely make us look more attractive to a potential buyer (if we had part ownership of said stadium).

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I didn't say it did. My point being that starting again in a smaller stadium wouldn't kill us.

Many are missing my point on this. I (my opinion) would rather that we weren't paying rent to a franchised rugby club, which will help them pay their bonds used to purchase a stadium that was built for us. I'd rather us be elsewhere within the City (such as BPA) and be free from the shackles and history of the past 10 years of shit.

A smaller stadium in Cov wouldn't kill us and would likely make us look more attractive to a potential buyer (if we had part ownership of said stadium).

Like I said in a earlier post SBWM. It would have to be written in stone before I believed it could happen. If it couldn't be extended to hold a minimum of 25k, it wouldn't be worth the hassle.

 

[dongonzalos]

The real point is though a billionaire owner would look at a club who own an 11,000 stadium before looking at a club that rents 23 days a year and gets no commercial benefits whatsoever.

He/she would possibly look at a club that is available before one where the owners who it seems can't afford to run it repeately say it's not for sale and have a reputation for instigating costly futile legal battles and taking self damaging tough, unrealistic business stances.
Just my opinion of course

 

[dongonzalos]

And doesn't that "Russian and American billionaires" actually put money into the football club? because no way could "Gate money/ST's money cover paying for £8-£10m players on a gate of 11k could it?

I can think of hardly any football clubs out there who are self sufficient.
However I will be incredibly proud of CCFC when I can boast in the office that we are. Especially if we are in division 4 at the time.

 

[albatross]

The same as everyone else in that league though, so in that respect I think Weeman was pointing out that with lesser income streams than other clubs in the Premier league Bournemouth are still competitive.

I agree but it is still massive money and the relative disparity of what they can fund is now less. Given that most players are from abroad you don't have to compete with Man U to get get good players, you can certainly out compete with most teams in Europe. They wont necessarily be paying big fees for the really big stars but they will none the less have very good players on very good wages.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I didn't say it did. My point being that starting again in a smaller stadium wouldn't kill us.

Many are missing my point on this. I (my opinion) would rather that we weren't paying rent to a franchised rugby club, which will help them pay their bonds used to purchase a stadium that was built for us. I'd rather us be elsewhere within the City (such as BPA) and be free from the shackles and history of the past 10 years of shit.

A smaller stadium in Cov wouldn't kill us and would likely make us look more attractive to a potential buyer (if we had part ownership of said stadium).

Look at it like this mate... We were at one point getting upwards of 17-18k crowds in the first 3-4 months of the season when we were doing well under Mowbray weren't we? What happens if we get a good run going at BPA with only a max 15k capacity... Remembering Sharp has said he won't have BPA any bigger than 15k. What about the 3-4k that can't get in? another scenario is the "Piss Pot trophy, 30k at the Ricoh wasn't it? what happens to those extra 13-14k fans that can't get in? I'll tell you what happens to them mate. They don't come back purely because they know they won't get in, so they won't bother. Possibly yet another generation of "Young Sky Blues" fans lost forever.... Just saying mate

 

[skybluetony176]

So you agree that I didn't say 'I'm happy with League One'?

I agree, financial input off course would help. My point still stands, I'd rather us not rent a stadium of a franchised rugby club (when everyone was rightly up in arms about Northampton), when that rent will go to subsidise their bond repayments and they could screw us over at any point.

I agree that you never said you're happy with league one.

 

[albatross]

The real point is though a billionaire owner would look at a club who own an 11,000 stadium before looking at a club that rents 23 days a year and gets no commercial benefits whatsoever.

Disagree. A billionaire owner will look at the club he likes, if it is his hobby. If he is seeking a return on his investment he will look for the club that gets the best returns. Owning the stadium has potentially little impact on that if you are in the premier league given the TV money and ticket sales. I would have thought that of CCFC were in the premier league and renting the Ricoh for £2 mil per annum then they would still be more attractive than clubs like Bournemouth given the higher profile, the almost triple ticket sale potential.

Take Swansea, income over £100mil but wont spend even like Sunderland and Newcastle, not down to owning the stadium but to the larger number of paying fans they can attract.

This is obviously not the whole picture

 

[oucho]

You guys are aware that we DO have an American billionaire owner now??? Her name is Joy.

 

[stupot07]

Disagree. A billionaire owner will look at the club he likes, if it is his hobby. If he is seeking a return on his investment he will look for the club that gets the best returns.

Got to disagree with this. Infrastructure and assets will be just as important to any prospective owner despite whether its a 'hobby' or 'investment'.

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[hopesprings]

The real point is though a billionaire owner would look at a club who own an 11,000 stadium before looking at a club that rents 23 days a year and gets no commercial benefits whatsoever.

I'm sure they would but when are "the club" ever going to own any stadium? They will be tenants of whoever builds the hypothetical stadium. The owners of the stadium will have access to F&B (and any other earnings) if that is what the lease or terms of rent say. Why do people keep making this huge mistake.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Look at it like this mate... We were at one point getting upwards of 17-18k crowds in the first 3-4 months of the season when we were doing well under Mowbray weren't we? What happens if we get a good run going at BPA with only a max 15k capacity... Remembering Sharp has said he won't have BPA any bigger than 15k. What about the 3-4k that can't get in? another scenario is the "Piss Pot trophy, 30k at the Ricoh wasn't it? what happens to those extra 13-14k fans that can't get in? I'll tell you what happens to them mate. They don't come back purely because they know they won't get in, so they won't bother. Possibly yet another generation of "Young Sky Blues" fans lost forever.... Just saying mate

They're exceptions to the rule. The Ricoh is too big for us...would the glory hunters come every week? Doubt it.

I do get your point. I'm not saying a 15k ground is ideal as a long term solution...having something modular in the short-medium term than can be increased long term, is in my eyes, better than putting money into Wasps coffers. That's all.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

They're exceptions to the rule. The Ricoh is too big for us...would the glory hunters come every week? Doubt it.

I do get your point. I'm not saying a 15k ground is ideal as a long term solution...having something modular in the short-medium term than can be increased long term, is in my eyes, better than putting money into Wasps coffers. That's all.

But BPA will not be bigger than 15k and Sharp has said he won't have the stadium any bigger. 20k and 22k average gates at the Ricoh before and on takeover by SISU over a few seasons is not "The exception to the rule" mate. They were average gates over a few seasons So to me that says a minimum stadium capacity of 25k is needed.... that's a minimum of 25k.

 

[Moff]

You guys are aware that we DO have an American billionaire owner now??? Her name is Joy.

She is not a billionaire