League 2 would be end for city (2 Viewers)

[Skyblueol]

Honestly guys I can't see us getting out of league 2 if we go down that might be it. Would like to be surprised but doubt it. What do you think

 

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[Astute]

We would have about the highest gates so a high income to the other clubs. With a decent manager we would have a massive chance of promotion. Just because we haven't made the top 6 for a lot of years it doesn't mean we never will. We spent many years fighting relegation and always staying up. Then the season eventually arrived where we got relegated.

 

[Skyblueol]

I just worry we wouldn't spend money wisely because we have bought decent players but not used them right. Young players we've got we get rid of. Haynes would be great to keep but would he play in league 2. If we are to come back up from league 2( if we did get relegated) we would have to change our ways. Or maybe league 2 may kick Sisu up the arse and they will bugger off who knows. Just a thought

 

[Astute]

I just worry we wouldn't spend money wisely because we have bought decent players but not used them right. Young players we've got we get rid of. Haynes would be great to keep but would he play in league 2. If we are to come back up from league 2( if we did get relegated) we would have to change our ways. Or maybe league 2 may kick Sisu up the arse and they will bugger off who knows. Just a thought

The cause of our players not being used correctly has gone. We would be very unlucky to get another SP.....although it is now down to Waggott......and he gave SP a 4 year deal after things started going tits up.

 

[Skyblueol]

The cause of our players not being used correctly has gone. We would be very unlucky to get another SP.....although it is now down to Waggott......and he gave SP a 4 year deal after things started going tits up.

Correct and now we have to pay him for sitting on his backside for 4 years

 

[westofrayne]

The budget would be set to L2 levels, no investment, just loans and short term contracts. We would be in the same position we have been in most of thhe last 30 years, bottom half fighting the drop.

Did people not say if we dropped out of PL we would win more games?? How I long for PL relegation battles.

 

[Skyblueol]

The budget would be set to L2 levels, no investment, just loans and short term contracts. We would be in the same position we have been in most of thhe last 30 years, bottom half fighting the drop.

Did people not say if we dropped out of PL we would win more games?? How I long for PL relegation battles.

I don't know I wasn't alive for any Cov Prem years so all I've had is disappointment every year for as long as I can remember so I have a negative attitude towards cov but I don't want my kids to grow up thinking cov are a league 2 side we are not we are proud and we need to fight back

 

[ConnorDevine]

I almost think league 2 would help

League 2 is for Accrington Stanley standard teams and tiny clubs, sisu would be forced to invest or sell, the debts we have cannot be paid off in that league and one way or another the club would simply have to advance

Maybe an idealistic approach to what seems an impending doom right now but my point is that league 2 would force change in the club

 

[Gazolba]

[h=2]League 2 would be end for city:[/h]Honestly guys I can't see us getting out of league 2 if we go down that might be it. Would like to be surprised but doubt it. What do you think

It wont be the end but it could be the beginning of the end. Nearly 50 years since the last promotion so it seems more likely we will get relegated from L2 than we will get promoted back to L1. We need to avoid relegation from L1 at all costs.

 

[Astute]

The budget would be set to L2 levels, no investment, just loans and short term contracts. We would be in the same position we have been in most of thhe last 30 years, bottom half fighting the drop.

Did people not say if we dropped out of PL we would win more games?? How I long for PL relegation battles.

My favorite seasons were the relegation battles at the end of the season.......other than 87 that is. The days out, the pressure, the great escapes, the togetherness of our supporters......was a fun time although we didn't think so at the time.

 

[Kingokings204]

Is there a big difference between league 1 and league 2? For the fans yes but for the owners probably not. In terms of quality definitely not.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Is there a big difference between league 1 and league 2? For the fans yes but for the owners probably not. In terms of quality definitely not.

From what I've witnessed this season not much. The gap between the Championship and League One is HUGE though.

 

[SonofErnie]

My favorite seasons were the relegation battles at the end of the season.......other than 87 that is. The days out, the pressure, the great escapes, the togetherness of our supporters......was a fun time although we didn't think so at the time.

Relegation battles in the lower leagues are completely different. The togetherness and fighting spirit of years gone by just isn't there. It's almost as if we are in denial and think ourselves above it all.

 

[torchomatic]

It won't be the end or even the beginning of the end. If it happens then, if fans continue their support, the club will eventually rise. We need to ditch SISU and reclaim our identity. We're not going to do that at the Ricoh, IMHO.

 

[torchomatic]

Don't tar us all with the same brush. Some don't give up and will continue.

Relegation battles in the lower leagues are completely different. The togetherness and fighting spirit of years gone by just isn't there. It's almost as if we are in denial and think ourselves above it all.

 

[Kingokings204]

From what I've witnessed this season not much. The gap between the Championship and League One is HUGE though.

Spot on CJ. League 1 and 2 are both crap leagues. Poor teams bar 4-5 maybe.

Just from premier league to championship is huge and so is championship to league 1. Agreed.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Spot on CJ. League 1 and 2 are both crap leagues. Poor teams bar 4-5 maybe.

Just from premier league to championship is huge and so is championship to league 1. Agreed.

Went to Derby on Tuesday, Blues last Wednesday and Bournemouth the Saturday before that. It's ridiculous how bad our league is in comparison. If you put it on a relative scale those three games were Messi, Ronaldo and Augero. Meanwhile all the L1 games I've seen this season aren't even Runnar Norman.

 

[Otis]

We would have about the highest gates so a high income to the other clubs. With a decent manager we would have a massive chance of promotion. Just because we haven't made the top 6 for a lot of years it doesn't mean we never will. We spent many years fighting relegation and always staying up. Then the season eventually arrived where we got relegated.

Portsmouth would have much higher gates. Theirs are around the 13,000 - 15,000 mark at the moment.

 

[RFC]

Correct and now we have to pay him for sitting on his backside for 4 years

You don't know that or if there were any get out clauses in the contract?

 

[RFC]

It wont be the end but it could be the beginning of the end. Nearly 50 years since the last promotion so it seems more likely we will get relegated from L2 than we will get promoted back to L1. We need to avoid relegation from L1 at all costs.

Leagues were restructured in 1958 when we became Founder Members of Division 4 (now Division 2) and were promoted as runners up to champions Port Vale.

Am meeting some of those great guys for lunch tomorrow!

If it happened, not the end but a new beginning.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

You don't know that or if there were any get out clauses in the contract?

There is normally. 12 months salary is the general benchmark or until they find another post (whichever is sooner obviously). At most 24 months. IIRC when we sacked Capello he didn't get the full amount of his contract even though it only had a few months left to run. Mind you, I think even you wouldn't be surprised if CCFC had put in any manager's contract that on dismissal he would get a new Ferrari, a villa in Barbados and double salary for twice the length remaining on the deal.

 

[stupot07]

Portsmouth would have much higher gates. Theirs are around the 13,000 - 15,000 mark at the moment.

Yep, we're already 6.8-7.5k which will probably drop to 5.5-6.5k next season if we stay in league one, that would go down to c5-6k in league two IMO unless we started to do well. There are 8 teams with 5k+ attendances in league two so we would be no financially better off (unless we're were doing well) than in this league.


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[Astute]

Leagues were restructured in 1958 when we became Founder Members of Division 4 (now Division 2) and were promoted as runners up to champions Port Vale.

Am meeting some of those great guys for lunch tomorrow!

If it happened, not the end but a new beginning.

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How about going back and editing just about every post you have made on here because they are full of errors and untruths.

New beginning? Like Division 3 was? The only thing is if we go down this season we would only be one more bad season from dropping out of the FL.

 

[Ashdown]

Decent sensible owners, a clever manager and with good support we would climb back up to a level maybe around mid Championship.

 

[torchomatic]

Certainly wouldn't be a "new beginning" but not the end either. As it wasn't the end of us when we got relegated from the PL or the Champ.

How about going back and editing just about every post you have made on here because they are full of errors and untruths.

New beginning? Like Division 3 was? The only thing is if we go down this season we would only be one more bad season from dropping out of the FL.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Pompey aren't exactly pulling up trees in that league. Things can always get worse in football, it's imperative that we not go down this year.

 

[wingy]

It won't be the end or even the beginning of the end. If it happens then, if fans continue their support, the club will eventually rise. We need to ditch SISU and reclaim our identity. We're not going to do that at the Ricoh, IMHO.

It could be the end for SISU
I Think we'dlose the Academy as a result and that may possibly mean It starts costing them money again

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Decent sensible owners, a clever manager and with good support we would climb back up to a level maybe around mid Championship.

I would argue higher looking at some of the clubs in the top flight.

 

[ccfcway]

I almost think league 2 would help

League 2 is for Accrington Stanley standard teams and tiny clubs, sisu would be forced to invest or sell, the debts we have cannot be paid off in that league and one way or another the club would simply have to advance

Maybe an idealistic approach to what seems an impending doom right now but my point is that league 2 would force change in the club

not sure i agree. break even means that SISU dont have to pump money in, so they arent bothered short term where we are.

Regarding Accrington Stanley, it wasnt that long ago i would have not beleived anyone who said we would be below Crawley, Fleetwood and Chesterfield

 

[Ian1779]

not sure i agree. break even means that SISU dont have to pump money in, so they arent bothered short term where we are.

Regarding Accrington Stanley, it wasnt that long ago i would have not beleived anyone who said we would be below Crawley, Fleetwood and Chesterfield

Sooner the club is break even the better. We don't have to rely on SISU or people like them that will come after. This is why we have to have a new stadium.

 

[Noggin]

Yep, we're already 6.8-7.5k which will probably drop to 5.5-6.5k next season if we stay in league one, that would go down to c5-6k in league two IMO unless we started to do well. There are 8 teams with 5k+ attendances in league two so we would be no financially better off (unless we're were doing well) than in this league.


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Agreed, in fact if anything you are being too generous with our league 2 crowds. Our crowds already look like there is a a significant number of season ticket holders who aren't even bothering to go everyweek when they have already paid. I see us being more like 4k if we aren't doing well which is mid table crowd wise, yet we'll likely have bigger costs, lower revenue in part due to not having a stadium but in much bigger part because of poor sponsorship, poor merchandising etc. So we could end up being low midtable or worse in terms of money available to spend. If you couple that with a terrible recruitment policy, changing almost the entire squad, very short term contracts it's reasonable to believe we could actually struggle. The one decent advantage we'd have would be the academy.

 

[ccfcway]

Sooner the club is break even the better. We don't have to rely on SISU or people like them that will come after. This is why we have to have a new stadium.

aren't we break even now ?

SISU wont sell or get rid of us. If we arent costing them money, they have an asset on their balance sheet which is bringing in an income via management fee and isn't costing anything. No reason to sell whatsoever

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Sooner the club is break even the better. We don't have to rely on SISU or people like them that will come after. This is why we have to have a new stadium.

Who says we're not BE now?

 

[Noggin]

If we are spending 2.6mill on player wages alone we aren't break even now nore will we ever be break even under this regime. Of course I don't believe for a second we have a wage bill that high.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Agreed, in fact if anything you are being too generous with our league 2 crowds. Our crowds already look like there is a a significant number of season ticket holders who aren't even bothering to go everyweek when they have already paid. I see us being more like 4k if we aren't doing well which is mid table crowd wise, yet we'll likely have bigger costs, lower revenue in part due to not having a stadium but in much bigger part because of poor sponsorship, poor merchandising etc. So we could end up being low midtable or worse in terms of money available to spend. If you couple that with a terrible recruitment policy, changing almost the entire squad, very short term contracts it's reasonable to believe we could actually struggle. The one decent advantage we'd have would be the academy.

I can't be the only one that once looked at Darlington's crowds at the Northern Echo and thought it would never get that bad in an arena like that. We've already got to that point now.