Transfer Rumour Marko Stamenic (6 Viewers)

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jun 4, 2024

prufrock said:
Surely nowadays that is more difficuly as wages for the 3 players would be much more than Sheafs wage?

It’s a simplified version - but generally you can strengthen more positions until you have a team full of top players - sell one bring in 2. The model is essentially keep buying players to develop, by the time you’ve done the above 3/4 times you’ll have 11 peak players and the conveyor belt continues whilst the team gets better.

take last year we had Hamer and Gyokeres only. We now have Wright, Simms, EMC, Kitching, Thomas, MVE, Sakamoto. The squad is stronger now than our 22/23 side.

ccfc1234 · Jun 4, 2024

nunchuckas said:
I think if we sign BOTH Stamenic and Browne then that has to be Sheaf on his way.

Not necessarily just one though, we could be using money from the cup run and any residual money from the Hamer deal to fund this one. Especially if the fee is heavily weighted towards add ons and a big 'if we get promoted' bonus. Plus, as other people have mentioned, I don't think Doug will be averse to splashing out on acquiring players like this, who at 22, essentially becomes a financial asset once Robins and Adi work their magic on them.

No it doesn't have to be that way. We could sell Eccles and or Allen. We need to have a real go at the top 2 next season and for that we need to dominate the middle of the park and with Sheaf and Brown centrally with this lad behind we would improve an area we struggled with (conceding goals) and dominate the middle of the park like not many have in the championship in recent seasons.

Sell sheaf to Luton and we are handing the advantage to Luton etc. Yes we have a model but at some point the revolving door needs to stop and with the Vik windfall due soon and making it to the semi finals and all the extra prize money, tv and gate revenue that went with that. This maybe a summer not to not have 2 more prize assets leave. Vik and gus and now COH and sheaf. If we don't go up it will be MVE next summer and yes, while we will be making money it will not get us to where we are aspiring to be.

Sorry if this feels like a rant, it's not at you I am just frustrated that so many fans think a good signing means we have to lose our best midfielder who next year will also have a decent sell on value.

TomRad85 · Jun 4, 2024

Yorkshire SB said:
Thought we had the best midfield in the division for a few hours. Nice while it lasted.

All logic says we’ll sell Sheaf. 26 yo, profile high after performance in the cup, two-years left on his deal.

Or sell Eccles and keep Sheaf another year.

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Potbellypig · Jun 4, 2024

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
I thought the consensus was we weren't going to be spending unless we sold Sheaf or Vik was sold?

Yep, I'm sure the lads 'in the know' on here said nothing will be done until this happens. Would you believe it, hey.

Viktor17 · Jun 4, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
May also be one of our own whos attracting interest

Interesting

JSL · Jun 4, 2024

Maybe DK has confidence that he can sell once he has recruited a replacement so has loaned the money needed up front. When he took over he did say that he would offer interest free loans if needed

biggymania · Jun 4, 2024

ccfc1234 said:
No it doesn't have to be that way. We could sell Eccles and or Allen. We need to have a real go at the top 2 next season and for that we need to dominate the middle of the park and with Sheaf and Brown centrally with this lad behind we would improve an area we struggled with (conceding goals) and dominate the middle of the park like not many have in the championship in recent seasons.

Sell sheaf to Luton and we are handing the advantage to Luton etc. Yes we have a model but at some point the revolving door needs to stop and with the Vik windfall due soon and making it to the semi finals and all the extra prize money, tv and gate revenue that went with that. This maybe a summer not to not have 2 more prize assets leave. Vik and gus and now COH and sheaf. If we don't go up it will be MVE next summer and yes, while we will be making money it will not get us to where we are aspiring to be.

Sorry if this feels like a rant, it's not at you I am just frustrated that so many fans think a good signing means we have to lose our best midfielder who next year will also have a decent sell on value.

Who says "we need to have a real go at the top 2 next season"?

Reality is, owner isn't some super rich dude using the club as a playtoy, so we have to do good business. When you have great management and recruitment (I think we can say it's the best it's ever been... in decades at least?) then selling players at the peak of their valuation makes perfect sense.

CCFCSteve · Jun 4, 2024

JSL said:
Maybe DK has confidence that he can sell once he has recruited a replacement so has loaned the money needed up front. When he took over he did say that he would offer interest free loans if needed

I think this is probably the case. Sensible as it means we’re less likely to be held to ransom by clubs knowing we’ve got cash to burn after a big player sale and also removes the risk of getting caught short and not finding a replacement.

I might well be wrong but I get the feeling if there’s prem interest sheafs said he wants to give it a shot, so we are planning for that scenario.

procdoc · Jun 4, 2024

How much would we likely get for Eccles?

ccfc1234 · Jun 4, 2024

biggymania said:
Who says "we need to have a real go at the top 2 next season"?

Reality is, owner isn't some super rich dude using the club as a playtoy, so we have to do good business. When you have great management and recruitment (I think we can say it's the best it's ever been... in decades at least?) then selling players at the peak of their valuation makes perfect sense.

We dont 'have' to make the top two but if we dont who is going to want to leave next summer MVE, Wright etc. At some point to go up we need to keep a stong nucluas of players who know how each others game and gel in a way that makes us a force to be reckoned with. The revolving door might make us some money but will only take us so far. Personally, I think we are 4 players away from being real title contenders and if our owner really wants money from astute player trading (see Brightons sales over the last 24 months) the premiership is the place to maximise their value. If you think the recruitment team we have is exceptionally good why have them operating at a level where we might make 5 to 10 million here and there as opposed to 30 to 40 million or more like Brighton have been?

I am totally anti boom and bust but with the money we generated last summer and with the cup run and viks sell on. I really don't think it's that foolish to keep Sheaf one more season as he will be highly saleable next summer as well. Yes he will have one year but for the right players it's a sellers market.

Robinshio · Jun 4, 2024

procdoc said:
How much would we likely get for Eccles?

£3m i would say

Ccfcisparks · Jun 4, 2024

procdoc said:
How much would we likely get for Eccles?

I'd say £3m + Sell on would suffice.

biggymania · Jun 4, 2024

ccfc1234 said:
We dont 'have' to make the top two but if we dont who is going to want to leave next summer MVE, Wright etc. At some point to go up we need to keep a stong nucluas of players who know how each others game and gel in a way that makes us a force to be reckoned with. The revolving door might make us some money but will only take us so far. Personally, I think we are 4 players away from being real title contenders and if our owner really wants money from astute player trading (see Brightons sales over the last 24 months) the premiership is the place to maximise their value. If you think the recruitment team we have is exceptionally good why have them operating at a level where we might make 5 to 10 million here and there as opposed to 30 to 40 million or more like Brighton have been?

I am totally anti boom and bust but with the money we generated last summer and with the cup run and viks sell on. I really don't think it's that foolish to keep Sheaf one more season as he will be highly saleable next summer as well. Yes he will have one year but for the right players it's a sellers market.

You seem to ignore that every 10 million we make on a player sale itself multiplies into another 2+ players who will reach or exceed that valuation in 2 years. So there isn't really a rush (aside from Doug's supposed 5 year timeline) and we will reach a tipping point where our squad is extremely high quality and deep if we keep heading in this direction.

We're not at a point where we can refuse to sell a player at the peak of their valuation - we will get there in a few seasons if we continue to recruit well and develop talent the way we have.

mark82 · Jun 4, 2024

Selling players at the peak of their value (with us) should be exactly what we are doing. The key is replacing them with players as good/better at a lower cost. It's risky, obviously, but the best way to progress and get better overall.

rexo87 · Jun 4, 2024

Robinshio said:
£3m i would say

nooooo. 24 year old midfielder with around 100 championship appearances. Improved constantly over the last 3 seasons. Worth a lot more than that

Mucca Mad Boys · Jun 4, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
Nothing is imminent hes correct, as Robins and Adi are away as i posted the other day

That doesnt mean we're not far down the line though

Agreed and it’s random for a Serbian outlet to break the news. It’s like Turkish and the Dutch reporters breaking Wright & MVE ahead of time.

Signing a player with UCL is just ridiculous in all the positive ways.

TomRad85 · Jun 4, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
I'd say £3m + Sell on would suffice.

He's a player I actually find very hard to put a price on. I genuinely have no idea what either us or other clubs would value him at.

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TomRad85 · Jun 4, 2024

On the face of it, if we can sell Eccles for a similar price for what we might be about to pay for a 22 year old with Champions League experience, you'd have to say it's very good business again.

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JSL · Jun 4, 2024

The emphasis on signings so far seems to be midfield and wingers. Still a few weaknesses elsewhere to strengthen but I'm sure they will get covered in time. It's early days in the transfer window and we seem to be straight on it this summer unlike last summer

JulianDarbyFTW · Jun 4, 2024

rexo87 said:
nooooo. 24 year old midfielder with around 100 championship appearances. Improved constantly over the last 3 seasons. Worth a lot more than that

Agreed. He's far better than we give him credit for. He's a proven player at this level, regularly playing for a successful club. It's £5m at a minimum imho.

robbiethemole · Jun 4, 2024

rexo87 said:
nooooo. 24 year old midfielder with around 100 championship appearances. Improved constantly over the last 3 seasons. Worth a lot more than that

especially as Rudoni is valued at c.£10m hahaha

Ccfcisparks · Jun 4, 2024

JSL said:
The emphasis on signings so far seems to be midfield and wingers. Still a few weaknesses elsewhere to strengthen but I'm sure they will get covered in time. It's early days in the transfer window and we seem to be straight on it this summer unlike last summer

It makes sense though. Our lack of depth in those positions last year was our downfall.

rexo87 · Jun 4, 2024

Genuinely would be looking for similar for Eccles as what we are looking for Sheaf. Eccles at 24 is better than Sheaf was at same age!

Matt smith · Jun 4, 2024

TomRad85 said:
On the face of it, if we can sell Eccles for a similar price for what we might be about to pay for a 22 year old with Champions League experience, you'd have to say it's very good business again.

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You don’t sell both sheaf and Eccles or just you’ll continuously be going through periods of transition

The point relates to other key players too wright Milan etc

one big sale a summer is fair

TomRad85 · Jun 4, 2024

Matt smith said:
You don’t sell both sheaf and Eccles or just you’ll continuously be going through periods of transition

The point relates to other key players too wright Milan etc

I'm saying don't sell Sheaf and sell Eccles

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Macca · Jun 4, 2024

End of season showed we need increased manpower not one in one out

Winny the Bish · Jun 4, 2024

This is not a £3m player

Matt smith · Jun 4, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
This is not a £3m player View attachment 35986

I was gonna say 6/7 is fair

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Jun 4, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
This is the Hamer replacement

Finally

Is that in the know, because I'll believe it when I see it.

Yorkshire SB · Jun 4, 2024

TomRad85 said:
Or sell Eccles and keep Sheaf another year.

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But if Man Utd are showing (even just tepid) interest in Sheaf. Then it’s game over.

Sheaf’s value will decline next season as he’s a year older and will only have 1 year left on his deal. If we can get £20m for him, no brainer for the club.

As a fan, I’d try and do what you suggest, but can’t see it.

skybluecam · Jun 4, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
I'd say £3m + Sell on would suffice.

far too low, if someone wants him we should be quoting something like 8m

skybluecam · Jun 4, 2024

rexo87 said:
Genuinely would be looking for similar for Eccles as what we are looking for Sheaf. Eccles at 24 is better than Sheaf was at same age!

Sheaf was better.

rexo87 · Jun 4, 2024

skybluecam said:
Sheaf was better.

Eccles 2023-24 was better than Sheaf 2020-21

skybluecam · Jun 4, 2024

rexo87 said:
Eccles 2023-24 was better than Sheaf 2020-21

nah, outside of his first season Sheaf has been better than anything Eccles has done so far.

SHUNT31 · Jun 4, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
This is not a £3m player View attachment 35986

Correct.

Eccles is massively underrated by most. His corner taking ability is awful though.

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