A sarcastic suggestion as you are so concerned about Safety. Not what I want, but you suggested investigating 100s of thousands of innocent People in addition to the 59 suspicious ones being investigated
So what did you mean with this bullshit then?
This doesn't relate to the point at hand in my reply, which are regarding up take of mental health services.
Nick has asserted that 1000s of refugees have arrived in Germany with mental health issues and thereby the mental health services are being directly impacted upon.
My point being how has he formed the assumption that the refugees would be queueing up for such services taking into account the social and cultural considerations.
Whilst the numbers of people acknowledging they have mental health issues and seeking assistance to address them is slowly increasing in the West, it simply doesn't follow that people from other countries/cultures will suddenly flock to take up such services.
If we're looking in particular at Syria its been a colossal fuck up. We started bombing them with no idea what we would do when people very predictably started fleeing the area.
I'm sure if, when we had terriorst trouble on our shores courtesy of the IRA if, lets say, Russia decided to start bombing the UK to 'help' plenty of people on here would have been legging it to France as quickly as they could and when France got overwhelmed they would have kept going to other countries.
What should have happened is that there sure have been facilities to process refugees as they left the country. Place them temporarily into holding camps before distributing them through numerous countries. That way you could stop people from other countries claiming to be Syrian refugees for a start. You also have some record of who is moving where and can check that against crime and terrorism databases.
The consequence of everyone saying it wasn't there problem was it had to get to a stage of total crisis before anyone did anything. By then there were already refugees spread all over the place, with no record of who was where. Then other immigrants and terrorists mixed in with them using the confusion as cover.
Why isn't there more camps like Zattari? That's what we need but its too late now. The genie is out of the bottle and nobody has a plan to put in back in.
You see, what you perceive as the views of the right and extreme right (on this matter at least) are what I believe a majority of Germans are really thinking even if they haven't yet come out and said so.
According to the last poll I read AfD ( anti Immigration Party ) was 10%. Tonight in Ansbach 50 right wingers demonstrated against the influx of refugees and were massively outnumbered by people shouting 'refugees welcome'. So, believe what you think, but it is not as onesided in reality.
Syria was massively fucked up before bombs started getting dropped by the west.
This is what people don't understand, Assad had alledgedly already killed over 100,000 of his own people tonks ago.
We only got involved when Isis had about 30,000 members already, and this all came later.
There was the potential of loads of refugees then, but they didn't really start coming until the door was held open in the last year or so.
Not saying they don't have the right to try and get away, of course they do. However, (not saying you are) blaming the west for its bombing having caused the refugee crisis is actually incorrect.
Judging by the members on here in Germany, it comes across that if you say anything about immigration you are a racist or a nazi. No wonder people probably keep it to themselves.
I'd imagine the general feeling has changed over time hasn't it?
I dont doubt there are actual Nazis and Racists about, nor do I agree with it. That doesn't mean they are the same as somebody who feels differently about immigration policies though?There are a lot of Nazis on social media who are trying to wind people and some are backed by Putin.
If I say anything on a Public forum - as on here- I get immediate replies slagging Merkel, Gabriel, the US or the EU. A university has studied this phenomina and found that the messages are coordinated and it is all about Russia at the end of the day.
There are plenty of anti refugee posts from AfD. AfD was tweeting about Munich being an islamist attack during the amok run- starting the tweets 'vote AfD'. The Tweets were later deleted when people got upset about them campaigning whilst people were being shot.They were wrong anyway, which showed them up as well.
So, there are plenty of right wing anti refugee people on social networks.
My nazi 'friends' share articles from 'Junge Freiheit' and 'Compact'. I read - or watch - them sometimes.
The novelty of refugees has worn of, but the women I know who were helping are still helping. My Missus doesn't like them, but grudgingly accepts the situation.
I dont doubt there are actual Nazis and Racists about, nor do I agree with it. That doesn't mean they are the same as somebody who feels differently about immigration policies though?
Your wish will be granted,best of luck with thatI'd rather have a thousand refugees around me than one of you lot.
They scare me less.
Judging by the members on here in Germany, it comes across that if you say anything about immigration you are a racist or a nazi. No wonder people probably keep it to themselves.
I'd imagine the general feeling has changed over time hasn't it?
Your wish will be granted,best of luck with that
Ahhhh. RT-News. Please start quoting PI news next.
Who has said that every refugee is a terrorist?That's just bulls.
What makes you a racist ist claiming that every muslim / refugee is a potential terrorist. Generalisation. Just like calling everybody (!) a Nazi.
Plus I did not hear / read any probable solutions and proposals from that camp but "I don't want them".
Yes. I think there are more people likely to use violence to voice their opinion in your camp than amongst refugees-Really?
In my camp? What's that then?Yes. I think there are more people likely to use violence to voice their opinion in your camp than amongst refugees-
Who said everybody is a racist ?Who has said that every refugee is a terrorist?
In my camp? What's that then?
Somebody who has a different view on immigration to you?
You are having a good go, already going on about "your camp" and Nazis.Who said everybody is a racist ?
I don't have problems with different opinions, but with not coming up with decent proposals to solve an issue but just "to get rid of it".
Those are likely to use violence as can bee seen in Germany every week, e.g.
Maybe they should, they wouldn't hack at people with axes then.
My comments about mental health are based on the way Mart tries to say "ah its ok, its not ISIS they have mental health issues".
What is ok? Where did I say that? I said 2 attacks had nothing to do with Muslim terrorism. They were not 'ok', but claiming that they were Muslim terror attacks is bullshit and stirring up religious hatred and because they were Brown not white people, there is a bit of racism thrown in.
What is ok? Where did I say that? I said 2 attacks had nothing to do with Muslim terrorism. They were not 'ok', but claiming that they were Muslim terror attacks is bullshit and stirring up religious hatred and because they were Brown not white people, there is a bit of racism thrown in.
I wouldn't start taking a pro Jewish stance if I were you. The people being allowed into your country don't even recognise Israel on a map. It's actually removed.
It is funny that a particular culture which is deeply racist, mysoginistic and outrageously homophobic is staunchly defended by those who would be morally outraged if the indegenous European population espoused the views that they do.
Yes, they were not ISIS but still classed as "terror" attacks. If you have a look back through the threads, when the guy stabbed the woman MP I said he should be classed the same as ISIS as it was no different to the soldier being stabbed on the street. He was a white bloke wasn't he?
It is nothing to do with racism, I have no doubt that people are racist but there is a long way between somebody saying kill all brown people and somebody having concerns about immigration isn't there?
Completely agree. Their hypocrisy is sickening. Mention anything like the cologne attacks are you're the mysoginistc one not the 'refugee' perpetrators.
A terrorist attack is perpetuated by terrorists - not by jilted lovers or deranged bullied kids for personal reasons. They are terrifying, but there is no ISIS message or agenda. They are chance events and some are getting paranoid and claiming they are part of an onslaught.
I'm not speaking for anyone, I 'm making an observation.
The same is true in Britain, people would not be voting for UKIP if the mainstream parties adopted policies which were more in line with how a majority of British voters feel.
But then you focus on those, whether it was ISIS or not. One of them was still carried out by a refugee.
But then you focus on those, whether it was ISIS or not. One of them was still carried out by a refugee.
So? There are a Million refugees from last year and more from previous years ( as he was ). Does this one murder prove anything about refugees? Or are you using it to reinforce you predudice? If anything, it confirms - by being worth a headline - the statistics that show Syrians as being not more criminal than the Germans.
Out of interest how many people who are depressed and attempt suicide have previously used a bomb to kill themselves? Where did that idea form do you think?
I don't know. Nick was referring to the non-terrorist attacks and you seem to be changing the subject.
There is the theory that he ( Ansbach terrorist ) wanted to kill himself anyway and because of the media interest in the Machete attacks, decided to kill two birds with one stone and go out as a glorious martyr. That is a theory. We may never know, but that is a terrorist attack, even if it includes- as an extra - a personal wish.
If they weren't commited by ISIS then they weren't commited by ISIS were they?
There were a million refugees in Germany? You are assuming every single one is a Syrian also? It was said at the time people who aren't in need would take the piss, that has proved correct hasn't it?
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