Would you like to edit that comment which makes some sort of sense or would you like me to do it for you?
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italiahorse
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It's Sisu spin.
Typically inferring that but I'm afraid no figures produced.
All we know is that it's free plus costs to actually put on.
Grendel
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To state that as fact you must have the terms available. Good provide the data source and we can close the argument.
Grendel
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Done on my phone but what is the point? You struggle to understand the difference between fixed and variable costs. The club were given a deal which charged the same rent in League One or Two and matchday costs - any suggestion that anyone would be content with a rival team offered a better deal on either element is deeply disturbing.
That's rich coming from you. Provide the figures on the Ricoh "free" use and we might believe you.
Grendel
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No one has them - do you?
What are you on about? No other rival team has been offered a deal on the Ricoh which has been made public.
Grendel
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This thread has developed into an absurd hypothesis that Nuneaton would consider a move here and some posters have suggested a lower cost to them would be acceptable.
italiahorse
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http://www.football-league.co.uk/ch...rent-free-offer-for-sky-blues_2293322_3206326
Nothing too long in apology just the word will do !!
Grendel
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But that means nothing without the match costs - the club claims the costs and rent were blurred in the deal -- what are these costs?
Nick
Administrator
That isn't the Tc's and C's is it?
Isn't it this one?
So it wasn't actually rent free.
italiahorse
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"All charges incurred on matchday as a consequence of staging a football match will be passed through at cost, for example, stewarding, policing, utilities, frost protection, matchday repairs to stadium, health safety and compliance management and certification, service charges for maintenance contracts eg flood lights, generators etc.
......... at cost. Zero rent ........ Sisu spin Grendel.
Grendel
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Nick has found the link -- answer his point
Nick
Administrator
It isn't, because Stewarding and Policing is paid for by the club for a start?
The only thing I can see that will go up depending on attendance is:
Cleaners (more people, more rubbish)
Power if stands are closed (For the concourse etc)
Surely most other things are the same no matter who pays? ie pitch, under soil heating etc, health and safety (unless there needs to be a couple more staff if there are more people I guess)
Surely the catering staff etc are all paid by ACL / Compass or whoever as well as the electricity / gas / health and safety for the food places / bars.
Grendel
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Correct -- that is council spin
There is no link in Nick's post.
Nick
Administrator
I quoted it.
If I rent you a house for free would you expect me to also pay for your gas and electricity?
Grendel
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If the rent offer was previously £200 a month and utilities £100 and now its rent free and £300 for utilities is that a better deal?
Nick
Administrator
Has anybody said that gas and electricity should be free?
It is just if you were charging me £12k yet charging somebody else £2k I would be peeved, especially when you keep telling all of our friends how much you love me and want me back
Especially when I would be having loads more friends round who would buy beer off you so you would make money from that as well.
Nick, you are missing the point (deliberately?) The point is the stadium might be "free", but the Tennant has to collect any incumbent charges that may accrue due to their use of said stadium.
Nick
Administrator
I don't think anybody is disputing that though are they? Of course they need to pay for electricity etc.
italiahorse
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The fact that Northampton include a lot of costs in the rent 'package' does not mean they are free of charge. There added on top of what ever rent they charge and billed as one charge.
ACL were taking nothing other than costs to put on (at cost - and this could be checked or queried if they actually wanted an agreement)
That statement Nick put up in argument is actually Tim Fishers.
Fcuking SISU apologists can't see the wood through the trees.
Nick
Administrator
Have you got the documents for this too?
The thing is, none of us have seen the documents, we are both just using statements but you claim yours is fact but I am an apologist. I haven't said anything is fact I have just posted a statement against a statement.
Did ACL ever reply to that statement from Fisher to say "No, you are wrong"? They may well have.
Rusty Trombone
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In the year to 31.5 we spent £7m on staff, £6.5m on admin and operating costs, and £1.8m on interest. All this with an income of £6.6m, plus player sales of £1.6m.
Incessant talk of whether the deal is £200k or £400k is a distraction from where our problems really are. This seems to be what ML wants us to discuss though, so maybe he's right and I'm wrong.
Incessant talk of whether the deal is £200k or £400k is a distraction from where our problems really are. This seems to be what ML wants us to discuss though, so maybe he's right and I'm wrong.
italiahorse
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Surely even you know why Sisu didn't pursue this offer ?
Nick
Administrator
So you haven't got the actual documents you are just going off a statement the same as what I posted but I am an apologist?
Did ACL prove what Fisher said wrong after they went all public with this "rent free" deal, he has said "it isn't actually free though" and then nothing? If they have replied and proved the point then please do post it.
I wouldn't be fussed if Nuneaton were to play there, but would it be right if ACL offered them better terms than they did to us? I "think" if it happened they would use Hinckley though.
italiahorse
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Thats on the football league web site so give it some credibility. Sisu had moved on and even made a play that the offer was not made to them.
FFS Tim you were not speaking so who else was it made too the Spanish Inquisition.
I'm taking an actual statement off the FL web, your taking TF statement. :facepalm:
You are a Sisu apologist and if you like I'm an ACL one. I can live with it but I think your position will come back to haunt you one day.
Do me a favour just say boo to Sisu once :thinking about:
Nick
Administrator
So the football league deserves credit for copying and pasting something onto the website but everything else about them is corrupt, not fit because they allowed SISU to move us etc? Can't have it every way?
There was also the rumour (again, no documentation) that Leicester paid £1,800 for a game there, is there £10k worth of difference of what is used?
Nick
Administrator
I totally understand that, of course CCFC should pay for things it uses like Utilities etc.
italiahorse
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Your wasting your time with the Sisu apologists hunting in pairs.
Nick
Administrator
Wait, isn't there 2 of you posting? I am not hunting, just merely posting statements that were in response to yours. You were asked if you had seen the terms of the offer, you said this:
Why is an apology needed? I posted the "come back" to that statement and you go off on one about being an apologist and hunting in pairs?
My statements are just spin and I am an apologist. Yes, I wouldn't trust SISU as far as I can throw them, but I wouldn't trust any of them.
What is this line?
This is paid for by the club anyway, so it is already misleading?
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Today I saw Sphinx, 3-0 victory. :claping hands:
Rusty Trombone
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When an adult goes to a game they pay, say £18, when a child goes they may pay £5. Do you think this is fair? There is no difference in the seat being used.