Terry_dactyl
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I’ll be ok with it if we were to sign those two lads from Derby.
O'Hare bids (2 Viewers)
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KenilworthSkyBlue
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I don't really get this logic. If the club need a sale then that in itself probably indicates he doesn't have the final say, certainly not in this scenario anyway.
SkyblueDad
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It’s not selling star names gone on for years it’s timing and how much Joy allows from any fee for Robins to use in the transfer market my betting it will be very little, also O’Hare is a fundamental part of our team, plays every week, in the faces of the opposition keeping them occupied sometimes a couple at a time, creating space for Gyorkeres, loves the club, loved by the fans, yes his final product could be better, I think that will improve now we have Kasey Palmer he has a better player, left sided too (I think) to partner up to too giving us balance, that will come, if we want to challenge in my opinion he’s a must to stay.One day he probably will be sold on if he starts adding goals to his game it could be for big money.
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Sky Blue Harry H
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Although I feel like this, the more I have thought about it, it is as much down to his infectious 'upbeat' personality as it is his football ability. Fans can associate / engage with his enthusiasm, rather than an equally effective player who has a (let's pick on Todd Kane) less upbeat personality. The other bit I'd be concerned about is the effect on the overall mood of the team - he must be so much fun to be around during training etc !
SkyBlue_Adam
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Assuming Hamer is the preferred one, does that not drive a higher price for O'Hare? Burnley will want to snap him up quickly before we can agree any deal to sell Hamer.
SkyBlueMatt
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He's not going anywhere, neither is Hamer or Gyokeres. Its just the typical rumor mill.
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SlowerThanPlatt
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I think the club have been open and the same noises from @Skybluebeliever who is close to the club that it’s likely we have to sell a player for a big fee this summer
Evo1883
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If we sell for a huge sum of over 10 mill atleast that will shut up people on here that think our top players are worth fuck all .. honestly the amount some people put our own players down is astonishing , they will watch shite players sell for more then say " ours aren't worth that "
Bore off
Bore off
KenilworthSkyBlue
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It's also basic common sense.
The club hasn't received a significant windfall from either a player sale or a sell on clause since Wilson was sold to Bournemouth. The last significant player sale was McCallum back in 2020.
Given it's how it's part of the club's strategy to be reliant on revenue earned from player trading quite obvious the club needs a sale this summer - especially when loans, interest and increased operating costs need to be covered.
Evo1883
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I don't think this one is tbh
SkyblueDad
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Hamer is another similar to O’Hare but with him should he move on it could be a lower end Premiership outfit but I have always thought he could go abroad Germany perhaps then there’s the Giovanni van Bronckhorst connection at Rangers, champions league and all that but just as with CoH if we want to seriously challenge and I believe we can we have to keep him, with O’Hare, Palmer the underrated Ben Sheaf and possibly Eccles too our midfield options are so much stronger than last season. We have potentially a very strong side. As said lot of rumour & speculation I’m banking on it’s just that.
ms639
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Going to be a hugely unpopular opinion but for longevity purposes I would much rather see him go now for 10-12 mill than next season for 3-5 because he has no time left on his contract. We’ve seen in this league that far too many clubs manage their finances unsustainably and frankly our model is to find gems, develop them and then make significant money. I think this one may well happen but I think in the long run it’ll be good for us. That being said it has shades of when mcsheffrey went to brum, will also be sad to see him go.
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Evo1883
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I think we'd need a replacement , cal offers something that not many clubs have , and that's the ability to press for 90/100/120 minutes if required across the front line and midfield .. add the technical ability it's a big loss if he goes
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Is anyone really saying our top players are worth fuck all?
Most posts I've seen are fairly measured and simply pose the question which most are conveniently ignoring: If our players are that in demand then why hasn't the club already received bids of £10m+?
Either the club have inadvertently priced themselves out of sales by attaching over-inflated price tags onto their prized assets thinking clubs will bite and will therefore have to reassess. Or a club will eventually match their demands for one of the three.
I think everyone would agree that hopefully it's the latter.
Evo1883
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I've seen a couple posters say our players are not worth what we think. Then will talk about worse players who moved in the past for more ,the same posters usually have very little good to say about anything tbh .
Fact is , some of our players are worth MORE than they think , not the other way round
Northeast sky blue
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Could the rumours be true, Hamer and O'Hare to go and replaced by Bird and Sibley
KenilworthSkyBlue
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I'm in agreement with those posters. I personally don't think we're going to receive eight figure bids for either Hamer or O'Hare.
Clubs that were previously linked with the above have seemingly moved onto other targets, or have submitted bids well below the asking price, suggesting that they clearly thought/think both players aren't worth what the club are quoting.
The fact the club primarily wanted to sell Hamer but now are listening to offers for all players probably supports that point as well.
Things may change later on in the window but currently I wouldn't exactly say it's looking hopeful.
Evo1883
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I dont think posters on here know tbh .. they like to think they do but they don't.
O hare we've pushed 2 bids back by all accounts, if that's true and they come again with a great offer that would tell you that infact SBT knows very little and that the club are the ones who will do the valuations not people on here
Brighton Sky Blue
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What we really want is a bidding war, not for just one club to be interested. If any of those 3 players have a barnstorming season that's what we'll get. Equally if they have damp squibs we lose out-it's a tough one to call.
Evo1883
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I agree , but the idea that a club like us that supposedly needs money is over valuing its prized assets is nonsense , when infact it's other clubs thinking they can take the piss out of us because we are little old coventry
Brighton Sky Blue
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The more skint you are the less they think it takes to nab your best players.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The proof will be in who we replace any departing player with.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Of course we don't, it's all entirely conjecture and rumour anyway. But if you do take the reports at face value, you do have to wonder what the club's strategy is going to be if it's looking like clubs aren't going to match their demands.
Again it's rumour but the bids for O'Hare were pretty menial by all accounts. Whether that's true or not again remains to be seen if it is, it's unlikely Burnley are going to suddenly come back and slap £10m on the table.
Evo1883
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My worry is that even if we were to get 10 mill , we won't get to spend even 20% of that money
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Most fees of that size are leaked to the press though.
Claiming "oh we don't know the exact fee because it's disclosed" is a pretty weak arguement.
Legia Sky Blue
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........ but you don't know if 10-12m has been offered. It could be as likely that 3-5m is what has so far been offered. I think most of us would reluctantly accept if a sale is made for over 10m but anything less I would like to see us hold on. I don't necessarily buy into your point on contract length negatively affecting O'Hares price either. If he scores the goals in the coming season that he should have done last season then I can only see his value increasing.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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It depends really. How much SISU extract to pay the interest, when the EFL loan is due and whether it will be paid in full or in blocks (I think it was repayable within 3 years but I can't quite remember the parameters), how much the club needs to cover operating costs and wages, how much the instalments are for Sheaf and Gyokeres, whether the club plans for any more "unforeseen costs" this season, or whether they'll want capital in the bank to mitigate against cashflow problems.
It's pretty intangible. As BSB says though, I think the primary indicator will be with who we replace the departing player with.
edgy
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I'm not arguing anything. Like I said, arguing over what a player is worth or what a transfer fee actually was, is futile. Either side of the arguement can twist it to suit their narratrive, but it's all conjecture. Trusting what Jonny McAnchorman says the transfer fee is, is also pretty niave.
SkyblueDad
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Thought that EFL loan was interest free
KenilworthSkyBlue
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True, but if anything most of the time transfer fees are often inflated in the press rather than undervalued. So for instance the purported fee in the press will often include the add-ons as the total fee when in reality it's actually X rising to Y if all clauses are met.