Open Letter to Supporters (1 Viewer)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Apart from wasps would be shooting the child hostage target than the parent and joining in with digs

If they shoot sisu without the kid, fair play to them. I'd applaud it

The shooter would be whoever put the football club out of business and wound it up. Wasps wouldn't even be holding a gun as they wouldn't be a creditor (unless the club stopped paying rent again but that's not going to happen) so the only person with a firearm and making any kind of threat are the club's owners.

 

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[Nick]

But there isn't such a clause. Probably would not have got past the lawyers and are uwe sure that Sisu would have wanted it ? I certainly wouldn't recommend any client to sign a forever more agreement whatever side they were on.... the potential financial risks could be huge

"Blackmail" goes on all the time in business in different forms. As such the problem here is that any agreement ends next summer and Ccfc have no legal rights to be at the ricoh. Wasps can simply do nothing, say they made the position clear 12 months ago and wave goodbye. I doubt they contest Sisu right to legals but legally speaking they are not doing anything wrong in saying so long as legals continue they won't talk. Be perhaps more interesting if otium removed from the legals.

Yes they know Sisu are driving it but it is still the clubs legal entity on the court docs. They can properly and legally choose not to engage no matter who is driving it. It's their choice just as Sisu choice is to continue legals.

So what was the actual point in the council even mentioning a condition? The only reasons would be to mislead the councillors for the vote wouldn't it? Why even mention it? Why not just say (to allow ccfc to see out their existing deal)

Of course wasps are legally entitled to not do a deal but at what point is something like that to drop legal cases blackmail? Is it only with criminal law,? (Genuinely don't know but there must be a point)

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

4-4-2 for Saturday, I think ? (trying to forget about this stuff, for now - it's the CCFC equivalent of Brexit)

 

[Nick]

The shooter would be whoever put the football club out of business and wound it up. Wasps wouldn't even be holding a gun as they wouldn't be a creditor (unless the club stopped paying rent again but that's not going to happen) so the only person with a firearm and making any kind of threat are the club's owners.

No, the shooter in this case would be wasps. They would be putting a bullet between the eyes of the hostage and people would celebrate it thinking that the parent was dead. Not many would argue if they put the bullet between the hostage takers eyes.

You say you did company law, I've got 8 GCSEs and seem to be a bit more informed in what's going on.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

4-4-2 for Saturday, I think ? (trying to forget about this stuff, for now - it's the CCFC equivalent of Brexit)

Much more important than that my friend

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Didn't Seppala realise our potential after our two trips to Wembley?
Get it done and move this club forward please Joy!!!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Didn't Seppala realise our potential after our two trips to Wembley?
Get it done and move this club forward please Joy!!!

It is bizarre isn’t it ? It’s why I hope nick’s right it’s all brinkmanship

 

[Grendel]

Didn't Seppala realise our potential after our two trips to Wembley?
Get it done and move this club forward please Joy!!!

Anyone can sell out out at Wembley with a catchment like ours. At best we have a loyal fan base of 15,000 in relatively good times. We are almost identical to Birmingham City we are hardly a sleeping giant

 

[stupot07]

Excellent letter. Probably best piece of PR they have done.

Every Ccfc fan should be 100% behind this.


Edit: just seen the reaction on Facebook from 'so called' Ccfc fans...pathetic

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[Macca]

Save me 7 pages. Is the general mood shifted to pro SISU, anti council now?

 

[Otis]

not sure why everybody needs to argue so much about it

its clearly a factual statement,and at the same time anyone who believes that the owners haven't had a hand in putting it together and getting it out is pretty naive

Damn! I hate it when I have to give you a like.

 

[wince]

Excellent letter. Probably best piece of PR they have done.

Every Ccfc fan should be 100% behind this.

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No they shouldn't and I'm not , Take the attachment of ccfc out of it , and what they are saying is we need to try and distress you, but we don't have a home so can we use yours because we have no where else to go ,we only need it till you have gone broke, and then we might even buy it off you for a knocked down price, but if you don't let us stay , what's gonna happen to our fans ?

 

[clint van damme]

Save me 7 pages. Is the general mood shifted to pro SISU, anti council now?

More pro CCFC v anti CCFC. Surprised how strong the anti CCFC contingent is on a CCFC message board.

 

[Nick]

Save me 7 pages. Is the general mood shifted to pro SISU, anti council now?

Who is being pro sisu? This is one of the issues, backing your club is seen as being pro sisu.

 

[Super Graham Withey]

Save me 7 pages. Is the general mood shifted to pro SISU, anti council now?

Yes it looks like it. Well, you can't blame our fans really, after all SISU bank rolled our 7th place finish in Division Four last season....

 

[Nick]

Excellent letter. Probably best piece of PR they have done.

Every Ccfc fan should be 100% behind this.


Edit: just seen the reaction on Facebook from 'so called' Ccfc fans...pathetic

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It's because people still see the club going to shit as sisu going to shit.

 

[Nick]

Yes it looks like it. Well, you can't blame our fans really, after all SISU bank rolled our 7th place finish in Division Four last season....

Can you quote some pro sisu stuff from this thread?

 

[Nick]

No they shouldn't and I'm not , Take the attachment of ccfc out of it , and what they are saying is we need to try and distress you, but we don't have a home so can we use yours because we have no where else to go ,we only need it till you have gone broke, and then we might even buy it off you for a knocked down price, but if you don't let us stay , what's gonna happen to our fans ?

They can go and watch rugby for free and get a flag?

 

[Grendel]

No they shouldn't and I'm not , Take the attachment of ccfc out of it , and what they are saying is we need to try and distress you, but we don't have a home so can we use yours because we have no where else to go ,we only need it till you have gone broke, and then we might even buy it off you for a knocked down price, but if you don't let us stay , what's gonna happen to our fans ?

So you i assume supported the move to sixfields?

 

[Super Graham Withey]

Can you quote some pro sisu stuff from this thread?

There's no point in trying to separate CCFC from SISU. They are one and the same and that's the problem. If CCFC goes with SISU then no problem, we start again.

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

Anyone can sell out out at Wembley with a catchment like ours. At best we have a loyal fan base of 15,000 in relatively good times. We are almost identical to Birmingham City we are hardly a sleeping giant

Agree Grendel even if I you are being generous at 15,000 I would put it nearer 12,000. But I know I am nit picking

 

[clint van damme]

There's no point in trying to separate CCFC from SISU. They are one and the same and that's the problem. If CCFC goes with SISU then no problem, we start again.

You want the club to go under with sisu?
Between our owners and supporters like you we're fucked.

 

[Nick]

There's no point in trying to separate CCFC from SISU. They are one and the same and that's the problem. If CCFC goes with SISU then no problem, we start again.

They aren't though, that's the point.

The club go bust, it doesn't mean sisu do.

Imagine people's faces while they celebrate the club dying thinking it was sisu and then when they realise sisu aren't really that bothered by it and haven't gone bust.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No, the shooter in this case would be wasps. They would be putting a bullet between the eyes of the hostage and people would celebrate it thinking that the parent was dead. Not many would argue if they put the bullet between the hostage takers eyes.

You say you did company law, I've got 8 GCSEs and seem to be a bit more informed in what's going on.

I don't think we're looking at that analogy from the same angle

I'm looking at it from CCFC's 'owners' (i.e. SISU) are holding the gun. The owners could end the hostage situation by releasing the hostage (selling the club) or putting down the gun (drop legal action). They're doing neither. Wasps are saying put down the gun and we'll talk, but until then I'm not sending in a negotiator to give you another potential hostage.

Are you looking at it from Wasps holding the gun by refusing to negotiate until legal action is dropped? But you don't take a hostage by threatening to kick them out of the building.

For clarity, I'm not a company law expert - I did finance and economics at uni, but as part of that I had to do all the company law stuff those on the law degrees had to do. So a lawyer specialising in Company Law would know a great deal more than me, but I know just as much as someone leaving uni with a law degree. As I said, I've performed a number of legal and company secretary functions for companies from a finance perspective like setting up companies, groups, directors, memoranda and articles, share issues/transfers etc. along with the finance stuff

 

[robbiethemole]

Do you think Sisu would drop legal action if we really did have to fold the club? I suspect it wouldnt bother them but would be interested if theyd finally concede if it came to that.

I think the bitch Seppala would cut off her nose to spite her face, rather than back down from legals. We need to reaffirm she DOESN'T give a fuck about our Club.

 

[Nick]

I don't think we're looking at that analogy from the same angle

I'm looking at it from CCFC's 'owners' (i.e. SISU) are holding the gun. The owners could end the hostage situation by releasing the hostage (selling the club) or putting down the gun (drop legal action). They're doing neither. Wasps are saying put down the gun and we'll talk, but until then I'm not sending in a negotiator to give you another potential hostage.

Are you looking at it from Wasps holding the gun by refusing to negotiate until legal action is dropped? But you don't take a hostage by threatening to kick them out of the building.

For clarity, I'm not a company law expert - I did finance and economics at uni, but as part of that I had to do all the company law stuff those on the law degrees had to do. So a lawyer specialising in Company Law would know a great deal more than me, but I know just as much as someone leaving uni with a law degree. As I said, I've performed a number of legal and company secretary functions for companies from a finance perspective like setting up companies, groups, directors, memoranda and articles, share issues/transfers etc. along with the finance stuff

I'm looking at how the situation actually is. Sisu holding the club as hostage, wasps hitting the club thinking it gets to sisu. Then wasps pull the trigger and shoot the club. People get excited thinking that sisu have died, they walk off with as little as a scratch and carry on.

That's exactly how it is. Try and spin it how you want.

The club is there held by sisu, everybody else is firing shots at the club knowing full well it's sisu at fault.

Maybe they should just have a shoot out with sisu, wasps and the council and let the club walk out. That would be an amazing but unlikely situation.

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

They aren't though, that's the point.

The club go bust, it doesn't mean sisu do.

Imagine people's faces while they celebrate the club dying thinking it was sisu and then when they realise sisu aren't really that bothered by it and haven't gone bust.

Think ( hope) we all realise CCFC going tits up won’t affect SISU one iota.
I just worry it may suit them, giving them chance to write off a load of paper debt. But like most on here know jack shit about company law and how funds can be manipulated.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm looking at how the situation actually is. Sisu holding the club as hostage, wasps hitting the club thinking it gets to sisu. Then wasps pull the trigger and shoot the club. People get excited thinking that sisu have died, they walk off with as little as a scratch and carry on.

That's exactly how it is. Try and spin it how you want.

The club is there held by sisu, everybody else is firing shots at the club knowing full well it's sisu at fault.

Maybe they should just have a shoot out with sisu, wasps and the council and let the club walk out. That would be an amazing but unlikely situation.

Worst of all, beyond the 10,000 hard core the bulk of the city is indifferent.

 

[pastythegreat]

There's no point in trying to separate CCFC from SISU. They are one and the same and that's the problem. If CCFC goes with SISU then no problem, we start again.

That simple? Just start again?

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[Grendel]

I don't think we're looking at that analogy from the same angle

I'm looking at it from CCFC's 'owners' (i.e. SISU) are holding the gun. The owners could end the hostage situation by releasing the hostage (selling the club) or putting down the gun (drop legal action). They're doing neither. Wasps are saying put down the gun and we'll talk, but until then I'm not sending in a negotiator to give you another potential hostage.

Are you looking at it from Wasps holding the gun by refusing to negotiate until legal action is dropped? But you don't take a hostage by threatening to kick them out of the building.

For clarity, I'm not a company law expert - I did finance and economics at uni, but as part of that I had to do all the company law stuff those on the law degrees had to do. So a lawyer specialising in Company Law would know a great deal more than me, but I know just as much as someone leaving uni with a law degree. As I said, I've performed a number of legal and company secretary functions for companies from a finance perspective like setting up companies, groups, directors, memoranda and articles, share issues/transfers etc. along with the finance stuff

Wasps have no interest in the legal action you utter retard

It’s a lie

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

Worst of all, beyond the 10,000 hard core the bulk of the city is indifferent.

Hard to swallow, but unfortunately true.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hard to swallow, but unfortunately true.

Some former colleagues of mine even gloated about the club losing out on the ground and how great it was to have 'top class rugby' on offer. There isn't much sympathy out there beyond the fan base.

 

[Super Graham Withey]

They aren't though, that's the point.

The club go bust, it doesn't mean sisu do.

Imagine people's faces while they celebrate the club dying thinking it was sisu and then when they realise sisu aren't really that bothered by it and haven't gone bust.

Clearly SISU would not 'go bust' if SISU let CCFC die. I'm not bothered about SISU, just CCFC. With SISU as owners, CCFC is effectively on a life support machine already and SISU could now be in a position where they want to turn this off, for whatever reason. I wouldn't view this necessary as a totally bad thing, there would be some short term pain but it is my firm belief that only when CCFC is rid of SISU (and remember SISU seemingly will not sell to anyone else) can CCFC truly move forward. And CCFC will never truly die because the supporters are CCFC, and don't forget that.

 

[pastythegreat]

Hard to swallow, but unfortunately true.

Thing is, these 'indifferent' folk and all quite hypocritical. They'll boycott CCFC games because the company that own them might make them homeless, but will go and support w***s whose owners will also have a hand in (if we ever) us becoming homeless.
They don't look at it like that though. In most people's eyes, w***s could kick there kids in the head but they'd still blame CCFC/SISU.

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[Nick]

Worst of all, beyond the 10,000 hard core the bulk of the city is indifferent.

That's the saddest bit.

We moved to Northampton, the council kept preaching about clubs belonging at home. Come back and we fill the ground and nobody really bothered after. (just the same people as before minus a few.). The council then move a team in showing how hipocritical they had been.