Apart from wasps would be shooting the child hostage target than the parent and joining in with digs
If they shoot sisu without the kid, fair play to them. I'd applaud it
But there isn't such a clause. Probably would not have got past the lawyers and are uwe sure that Sisu would have wanted it ? I certainly wouldn't recommend any client to sign a forever more agreement whatever side they were on.... the potential financial risks could be huge
"Blackmail" goes on all the time in business in different forms. As such the problem here is that any agreement ends next summer and Ccfc have no legal rights to be at the ricoh. Wasps can simply do nothing, say they made the position clear 12 months ago and wave goodbye. I doubt they contest Sisu right to legals but legally speaking they are not doing anything wrong in saying so long as legals continue they won't talk. Be perhaps more interesting if otium removed from the legals.
Yes they know Sisu are driving it but it is still the clubs legal entity on the court docs. They can properly and legally choose not to engage no matter who is driving it. It's their choice just as Sisu choice is to continue legals.
The shooter would be whoever put the football club out of business and wound it up. Wasps wouldn't even be holding a gun as they wouldn't be a creditor (unless the club stopped paying rent again but that's not going to happen) so the only person with a firearm and making any kind of threat are the club's owners.
Much more important than that my friend4-4-2 for Saturday, I think ? (trying to forget about this stuff, for now - it's the CCFC equivalent of Brexit)
It is bizarre isn’t it ? It’s why I hope nick’s right it’s all brinkmanshipDidn't Seppala realise our potential after our two trips to Wembley?
Get it done and move this club forward please Joy!!!
Didn't Seppala realise our potential after our two trips to Wembley?
Get it done and move this club forward please Joy!!!
Damn! I hate it when I have to give you a like.not sure why everybody needs to argue so much about it
its clearly a factual statement,and at the same time anyone who believes that the owners haven't had a hand in putting it together and getting it out is pretty naive
No they shouldn't and I'm not , Take the attachment of ccfc out of it , and what they are saying is we need to try and distress you, but we don't have a home so can we use yours because we have no where else to go ,we only need it till you have gone broke, and then we might even buy it off you for a knocked down price, but if you don't let us stay , what's gonna happen to our fans ?Excellent letter. Probably best piece of PR they have done.
Every Ccfc fan should be 100% behind this.
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Save me 7 pages. Is the general mood shifted to pro SISU, anti council now?
Who is being pro sisu? This is one of the issues, backing your club is seen as being pro sisu.Save me 7 pages. Is the general mood shifted to pro SISU, anti council now?
Yes it looks like it. Well, you can't blame our fans really, after all SISU bank rolled our 7th place finish in Division Four last season....Save me 7 pages. Is the general mood shifted to pro SISU, anti council now?
It's because people still see the club going to shit as sisu going to shit.Excellent letter. Probably best piece of PR they have done.
Every Ccfc fan should be 100% behind this.
Edit: just seen the reaction on Facebook from 'so called' Ccfc fans...pathetic
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Can you quote some pro sisu stuff from this thread?Yes it looks like it. Well, you can't blame our fans really, after all SISU bank rolled our 7th place finish in Division Four last season....
They can go and watch rugby for free and get a flag?No they shouldn't and I'm not , Take the attachment of ccfc out of it , and what they are saying is we need to try and distress you, but we don't have a home so can we use yours because we have no where else to go ,we only need it till you have gone broke, and then we might even buy it off you for a knocked down price, but if you don't let us stay , what's gonna happen to our fans ?
No they shouldn't and I'm not , Take the attachment of ccfc out of it , and what they are saying is we need to try and distress you, but we don't have a home so can we use yours because we have no where else to go ,we only need it till you have gone broke, and then we might even buy it off you for a knocked down price, but if you don't let us stay , what's gonna happen to our fans ?
There's no point in trying to separate CCFC from SISU. They are one and the same and that's the problem. If CCFC goes with SISU then no problem, we start again.Can you quote some pro sisu stuff from this thread?
Agree Grendel even if I you are being generous at 15,000 I would put it nearer 12,000. But I know I am nit pickingAnyone can sell out out at Wembley with a catchment like ours. At best we have a loyal fan base of 15,000 in relatively good times. We are almost identical to Birmingham City we are hardly a sleeping giant
There's no point in trying to separate CCFC from SISU. They are one and the same and that's the problem. If CCFC goes with SISU then no problem, we start again.
They aren't though, that's the point.There's no point in trying to separate CCFC from SISU. They are one and the same and that's the problem. If CCFC goes with SISU then no problem, we start again.
No, the shooter in this case would be wasps. They would be putting a bullet between the eyes of the hostage and people would celebrate it thinking that the parent was dead. Not many would argue if they put the bullet between the hostage takers eyes.
You say you did company law, I've got 8 GCSEs and seem to be a bit more informed in what's going on.
Do you think Sisu would drop legal action if we really did have to fold the club? I suspect it wouldnt bother them but would be interested if theyd finally concede if it came to that.
I'm looking at how the situation actually is. Sisu holding the club as hostage, wasps hitting the club thinking it gets to sisu. Then wasps pull the trigger and shoot the club. People get excited thinking that sisu have died, they walk off with as little as a scratch and carry on.I don't think we're looking at that analogy from the same angle
I'm looking at it from CCFC's 'owners' (i.e. SISU) are holding the gun. The owners could end the hostage situation by releasing the hostage (selling the club) or putting down the gun (drop legal action). They're doing neither. Wasps are saying put down the gun and we'll talk, but until then I'm not sending in a negotiator to give you another potential hostage.
Are you looking at it from Wasps holding the gun by refusing to negotiate until legal action is dropped? But you don't take a hostage by threatening to kick them out of the building.
For clarity, I'm not a company law expert - I did finance and economics at uni, but as part of that I had to do all the company law stuff those on the law degrees had to do. So a lawyer specialising in Company Law would know a great deal more than me, but I know just as much as someone leaving uni with a law degree. As I said, I've performed a number of legal and company secretary functions for companies from a finance perspective like setting up companies, groups, directors, memoranda and articles, share issues/transfers etc. along with the finance stuff
Think ( hope) we all realise CCFC going tits up won’t affect SISU one iota.They aren't though, that's the point.
The club go bust, it doesn't mean sisu do.
Imagine people's faces while they celebrate the club dying thinking it was sisu and then when they realise sisu aren't really that bothered by it and haven't gone bust.
I'm looking at how the situation actually is. Sisu holding the club as hostage, wasps hitting the club thinking it gets to sisu. Then wasps pull the trigger and shoot the club. People get excited thinking that sisu have died, they walk off with as little as a scratch and carry on.
That's exactly how it is. Try and spin it how you want.
The club is there held by sisu, everybody else is firing shots at the club knowing full well it's sisu at fault.
Maybe they should just have a shoot out with sisu, wasps and the council and let the club walk out. That would be an amazing but unlikely situation.
That simple? Just start again?There's no point in trying to separate CCFC from SISU. They are one and the same and that's the problem. If CCFC goes with SISU then no problem, we start again.
I don't think we're looking at that analogy from the same angle
I'm looking at it from CCFC's 'owners' (i.e. SISU) are holding the gun. The owners could end the hostage situation by releasing the hostage (selling the club) or putting down the gun (drop legal action). They're doing neither. Wasps are saying put down the gun and we'll talk, but until then I'm not sending in a negotiator to give you another potential hostage.
Are you looking at it from Wasps holding the gun by refusing to negotiate until legal action is dropped? But you don't take a hostage by threatening to kick them out of the building.
For clarity, I'm not a company law expert - I did finance and economics at uni, but as part of that I had to do all the company law stuff those on the law degrees had to do. So a lawyer specialising in Company Law would know a great deal more than me, but I know just as much as someone leaving uni with a law degree. As I said, I've performed a number of legal and company secretary functions for companies from a finance perspective like setting up companies, groups, directors, memoranda and articles, share issues/transfers etc. along with the finance stuff
Hard to swallow, but unfortunately true.Worst of all, beyond the 10,000 hard core the bulk of the city is indifferent.
Hard to swallow, but unfortunately true.
Clearly SISU would not 'go bust' if SISU let CCFC die. I'm not bothered about SISU, just CCFC. With SISU as owners, CCFC is effectively on a life support machine already and SISU could now be in a position where they want to turn this off, for whatever reason. I wouldn't view this necessary as a totally bad thing, there would be some short term pain but it is my firm belief that only when CCFC is rid of SISU (and remember SISU seemingly will not sell to anyone else) can CCFC truly move forward. And CCFC will never truly die because the supporters are CCFC, and don't forget that.They aren't though, that's the point.
The club go bust, it doesn't mean sisu do.
Imagine people's faces while they celebrate the club dying thinking it was sisu and then when they realise sisu aren't really that bothered by it and haven't gone bust.
Thing is, these 'indifferent' folk and all quite hypocritical. They'll boycott CCFC games because the company that own them might make them homeless, but will go and support w***s whose owners will also have a hand in (if we ever) us becoming homeless.Hard to swallow, but unfortunately true.
That's the saddest bit.Worst of all, beyond the 10,000 hard core the bulk of the city is indifferent.
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