Clearly SISU would not 'go bust' if SISU let CCFC die. I'm not bothered about SISU, just CCFC. With SISU as owners, CCFC is effectively on a life support machine already and SISU could now be in a position where they want to turn this off, for whatever reason. I wouldn't view this necessary as a totally bad thing, there would be some short term pain but it is my firm belief that only when CCFC is rid of SISU (and remember SISU seemingly will not sell to anyone else) can CCFC truly move forward. And CCFC will never truly die because the supporters are CCFC, and don't forget that.
Clearly SISU would not 'go bust' if SISU let CCFC die. I'm not bothered about SISU, just CCFC. With SISU as owners, CCFC is effectively on a life support machine already and SISU could now be in a position where they want to turn this off, for whatever reason. I wouldn't view this necessary as a totally bad thing, there would be some short term pain but it is my firm belief that only when CCFC is rid of SISU (and remember SISU seemingly will not sell to anyone else) can CCFC truly move forward. And CCFC will never truly die because the supporters are CCFC, and don't forget that.
That's the saddest bit.
We moved to Northampton, the council kept preaching about clubs belonging at home. Come back and we fill the ground and nobody really bothered after. (just the same people as before minus a few.). The council then move a team in showing how hipocritical they had been.
He wasn't sisu or ccfc. Simple as that.Look into their owner's businesses registered in Malta in a myriad of subsidiaries. What due diligence was done on him?
Know the feeling, as an ex rugby playing CCFC supporter. Know plenty who think it’s great to have Wasps here.Some former colleagues of mine even gloated about the club losing out on the ground and how great it was to have 'top class rugby' on offer. There isn't much sympathy out there beyond the fan base.
He wasn't sisu or ccfc. Simple as that.
I don't remember when the council ever promoted City games or had their leaders get photos with the players-Lucas couldn't get a snap with James Haskell soon enough. If Wasps' own gamble doesn't pay off what then? Sold one of the city's prime assets for a quick buck and for what?
Know the feeling, as an ex rugby playing CCFC supporter. Know plenty who think it’s great to have Wasps here.
Only argue with them now when they gleefully celebrate the thought of us going out of business.
They won’t see us being there actually helps their shit team.
Er they would have no ground to play in. As for on life support they are one league lower then when they took over.
They oddly took over as the prior regime went bust as they tried both to pay the rent and keep a competitive wage for the division they were in.
The club would have died 10 years ago anyway if sisu didn’t buy the club as the council refused to consider any other bidders
I don't think the council would let it fail. It is certainly the total opposite to ccfc. (Even pre sisu)
So many converts to rugby who ignored the genuine success story happening at the BPA. If Wasps were really interested in co-operation they would discuss selling a stakeholding in the ground. Will they? Will they fuck.
Yeah was going to say how many even knew there was a rugby club already. The people I know had no idea as they can't get in for free, when their free tickets stop they won't go any more.
Bullshit. Administration was never put to the test. Robinson sold to SISU instead. No way a championship club would’ve just been liquidated.
As it was my analogy to start with, it's actually you putting a spin on it
In honesty it's actually two separate analogies using the same hostage premise. Yours does make sense as well though.
I don't think this would 'kill' SISU, just give them a 'scratch' as you put it from the loss of their investment in CCFC. How significant a scratch it's hard to tell - it's often hard to tell the true performance of companies from financial statements are companies performing well want to look worse for tax reasons and those doing badly want to look better for investment reasons. It could be a tiny injury, or it could end up causing complications or infection that cause it big problems later on. I think CCFC could continue should no deal be agreed, even if that should be having to rebuild from much lower, as long as the 'essence' and spirit of the club and community remained. You and others clearly would find it more of a leap. That is not meant as a dig or slur, just pointing out the differences in personality and thinking.
The trouble for me is that it is this kind of tribal thinking that pushed up the scale allow shit like what Putin does to happen. Here and elsewhere in Europe Salisbury was a massive injustice. In Russia, it's the West picking on Russia. The same kind of basic idea behind that thinking is happening here on a much less important (depending on viewpoint/perspective) scale and I can't bring myself to agree with aggressive tactics making out they're the victims.
Let's say I had a family member accused of a crime. Instinctively I would want to support and back them, but if their past behaviour and evidence strongly suggested they were guilty, I couldn't condone them.
As it was my analogy to start with, it's actually you putting a spin on it
In honesty it's actually two separate analogies using the same hostage premise. Yours does make sense as well though.
I don't think this would 'kill' SISU, just give them a 'scratch' as you put it from the loss of their investment in CCFC. How significant a scratch it's hard to tell - it's often hard to tell the true performance of companies from financial statements are companies performing well want to look worse for tax reasons and those doing badly want to look better for investment reasons. It could be a tiny injury, or it could end up causing complications or infection that cause it big problems later on. I think CCFC could continue should no deal be agreed, even if that should be having to rebuild from much lower, as long as the 'essence' and spirit of the club and community remained. You and others clearly would find it more of a leap. That is not meant as a dig or slur, just pointing out the differences in personality and thinking.
The trouble for me is that it is this kind of tribal thinking that pushed up the scale allow shit like what Putin does to happen. Here and elsewhere in Europe Salisbury was a massive injustice. In Russia, it's the West picking on Russia. The same kind of basic idea behind that thinking is happening here on a much less important (depending on viewpoint/perspective) scale and I can't bring myself to agree with aggressive tactics making out they're the victims.
Let's say I had a family member accused of a crime. Instinctively I would want to support and back them, but if their past behaviour and evidence strongly suggested they were guilty, I couldn't condone them.
Some of the dipsticks on FB want Mike Ashley to take over the club ffs.Are they along the lines of "just go"?
I'd dread to think if Boddy and Mark Hornby were to walk out.
This is why people need to see the difference between the people running the club and the twats forcing the legal action.
People strangely seem as if they would be over the moon if the club went tits up because they think it would mean SISU going tits up. It's the same as when people say "what are you going to do EFL / FA?". What do they expect them to do?
All you have to do is tell them that in the same weekend the third tier football team attracted 300 more than the premiership rugby team.I don't remember when the council ever promoted City games or had their leaders get photos with the players-Lucas couldn't get a snap with James Haskell soon enough. If Wasps' own gamble doesn't pay off what then? Sold one of the city's prime assets for a quick buck and for what?
In my opinion the letter is a load of bollocks. Why ? Because a certain Mr Timothy Fisher is riding two horses, those of CCFC and Otium. How on earth can he act in the interests of both ? Bah, hum bug.
Way too many people stood to lose money, the club has been toxic for years. Robinson actually tried to buy the whole club with a new consortium. The council would only deal with SISUBullshit. Administration was never put to the test. Robinson sold to SISU instead. No way a championship club would’ve just been liquidated.
Yes Nick... TM cannot act in the best interests of both Otium and CCFC. He must think we are thick ?Christ. The word I was just talking about is obviously spreading.
What point are you trying to make?
Aren't most chairmen also directors?Yes Nick... TM cannot act in the best interests of both Otium and CCFC. He must think we are thick ?
I asked at the time did he say we? You didn't reply“We” batter people in court, who was TF referring to by “We”
Nobody is backing sisu though are they? Nobody sees sisu as their family member.
Not too sure what you are trying to push but it isn't really stacking up, is it?
Another strange one who claims to be in the industry and an expert but doesn't seem to really know what's going on. It's even weirder after your random post in the blaze thread.
People understanding isn't tribal. Im not sure why you are making out you would be there if the club died and were playing in a pub league either. Would have thought a fan who has studied the industry would have an idea of the basics.
The victims are ccfc. That's exactly the point. The perpetrators are sisu, wasps and the council in this instance.
At least 3 levels lower yesThere's no point in trying to separate CCFC from SISU. They are one and the same and that's the problem. If CCFC goes with SISU then no problem, we start again.
Whether you like it or not, SISU ARE a family member of CCFC at this point. An in-law, brought in by marriage and could leave again via divorce, but family all the same. We've all got family members we'd rather avoid, but like it or not they are related.
I'm trying to be diplomatic here. I'm not claiming to be an expert, just that I've had more training and experience of this kind of thing than the average person. I have seen and can see the behaviour of those manipulating others and the techniques they employ to hide it. With something that invokes a great deal of passion it's just easier for them because emotion takes over and that's where the tribalism thing is.
Wasps are doing it, and the council has done it too, but largely as a response to SISU's actions with them in the past and are fighting fire with fire, and as we all know that just creates a bigger problem.
It's not necessarily understanding - it's a perception of events based on the information they have. I don't doubt there are many things about this situation I'm wrong about because I've not had access to the information other than that in the public domain. What I do have is experience of other situations with similarities to this which I DID have more info on. In this instance, from those experiences, that letter at the start (which is what this started about) is a business using a related business as leverage while at the same time playing down the influence and control they have over that related business. It may say CCFC, but it is clearly written from a SISU viewpoint.
If there truly was separation from CCFC management and SISU, that Open Letter would also include the option that SISU could choose to drop their legal action to secure the future of Coventry City. It doesn't.
Your last sentence I agree with.
Whether you like it or not, SISU ARE a family member of CCFC at this point. An in-law, brought in by marriage and could leave again via divorce, but family all the same. We've all got family members we'd rather avoid, but like it or not they are related.
I'm trying to be diplomatic here. I'm not claiming to be an expert, just that I've had more training and experience of this kind of thing than the average person. I have seen and can see the behaviour of those manipulating others and the techniques they employ to hide it. With something that invokes a great deal of passion it's just easier for them because emotion takes over and that's where the tribalism thing is.
Wasps are doing it, and the council has done it too, but largely as a response to SISU's actions with them in the past and are fighting fire with fire, and as we all know that just creates a bigger problem.
It's not necessarily understanding - it's a perception of events based on the information they have. I don't doubt there are many things about this situation I'm wrong about because I've not had access to the information other than that in the public domain. What I do have is experience of other situations with similarities to this which I DID have more info on. In this instance, from those experiences, that letter at the start (which is what this started about) is a business using a related business as leverage while at the same time playing down the influence and control they have over that related business. It may say CCFC, but it is clearly written from a SISU viewpoint.
If there truly was separation from CCFC management and SISU, that Open Letter would also include the option that SISU could choose to drop their legal action to secure the future of Coventry City. It doesn't.
Your last sentence I agree with.
I believe he did, it’s been referred to often on here. Are you saying it wasn’t said ? If you are say so, I think it was.I asked at the time did he say we? You didn't reply
I believe he did, it’s been referred to often on here. Are you saying it wasn’t said ? If you are say so, I think it was.
Anybody else remember him saying it ?
Allegedly legal costs over a million for council and we can’t whinge about them running out of money. It’s an outrage that Sisu have caused our whole community such harm. However our club Ccfc has been damaged more and is looking into the abyss
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