Portsmouth- what on earth (35 Viewers)

speedie87 · Feb 18, 2012

Bryan Richardson would probably say he was unlucky we got relegated as he hadn't planned on that as it had never happened before!

Grendel · Feb 18, 2012

Paxman II said:
Wrong? Don't see what you are driving at ? I'm aware 9 points were deducted in the premier league but what has that got to do with it?
It's 9 in the prem because they play fewer games by the way. As for the 18 month rule that IS correct. The discretionary rule IS also correct.
i doubt any further points will be deducted. However Burbageskyblues comments are very interesting.

I don't understand if there is an extra points deduction for the time period then why were Rotherham only deducted 10 points for going into administration in March 2008 when they had already entered administration in May 2006. Both they and Rotherham then incurred additional 17 point penalties for failing to exit administration properly and on time - whatever that means. Other than them only Leeds and Luton have ever been deducted more than 10 points. Leeds for going into administration without going through the formal CVA procedure (i.e. half time on the penultimate game of the season) and poor old Luton who had 10 points in one season 20 in another and a further 10 for misconduct.
Three threads cover this topic now. We have a lifeline and that is enough for me. Praying that they get more and more points deducted sounds desperate. As for their supporters being outraged what do you all expect? I hardly think we would be thrilled or objective about it either. They are good old-fashioned club with a long heritage and it's sad really. Ultimately I can see no way out for them other than liquidation and reforming or the albatross of debt will be over them for ever.

ccfcway · Feb 18, 2012

Kitson sent off, that will help their plight !

Durham on talk sport just called kitson an idiot !!

chiefdave · Feb 18, 2012

looks like they've had their way and managed to sign someone
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/thorne_rejoins_pompey_1_3538203

ccfcway · Feb 18, 2012

ABSOLUTE disgrace !!!!!!

CANT BELIEVE IT !!

so mad about this,

I knew it would happen, it just isnt fair or sporting !!!

They should have the book thrown at them just for this !!!

ARRGGGHH !!

oldskyblue58 · Feb 18, 2012

Just out of interest how many of their academy players were in their team or on the bench ?

Cant help feeling that the whole situation stinks!

ccfcway · Feb 18, 2012

Exactly !!!

Colonel Mustard · Feb 18, 2012

chiefdave said:
looks like they've had their way and managed to sign someone
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/thorne_rejoins_pompey_1_3538203

That is ridiculous. Even if West Brom are paying the wages, it still means money coming out of Pompey if only in the form of taxis, extra laundry bills, meal costs, hotel bills etc. A joke.

ccfcway · Feb 18, 2012

very good point !

even hotel bills mean its added expenditure !

honestly cant see how they can get away with it !

oldskyblue58 · Feb 18, 2012

They named only 3 subs and none of the academy players were involved.

Loans still incur agents fees

ccfcway · Feb 18, 2012

I just dont know how they can get away with this ?

surely the administrator sanctoned this ?

if so, was one of his first jobs to agree to the extra expenditiure on the playng front ?

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 18, 2012

Also saw their fans optimistic of 2 or 3 more-what a complete farce.

ccfcway · Feb 18, 2012

IF (and its a VERY big IF) we came 3rd from bottom, I would love to club to take this further..

Its not for now thoigh, we have enough problems

ccfcway · Feb 18, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Also saw their fans optimistic of 2 or 3 more-what a complete farce.

make me lose all interest in the game when you see that

one rule for one, one for another....

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 18, 2012

It's completely taking the piss. They owe a school £40k for goodness' sake!

ccfcway · Feb 18, 2012

just wrong

someone let me know who i should write to and i will do it 1st thing tomorrow !

ccfcway · Feb 18, 2012

simply crazy

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 18, 2012

Mate, I was kidding with that one!

ccfcway · Feb 19, 2012

Dave Kitson on 20k a week, 1 million a year..

ccfcway · Feb 23, 2012

Portsmouth may not have enough money to finish season

Portsmouth administrator Trevor Birch has admitted the club may not have enough money to see out the season.
Birch addressed fans for an hour at Fratton Park on Wednesday, a day when 33 members of staff were made redundant.
However, he says he was left with little choice but to make cuts as he tries to ensure the club's remaining money lasts as long as possible.
"We are struggling to make the end of the season," Birch told BBC Solent.
Portsmouth entered administration last week for the second time in three years, for which they were docked 10 points by the Football League to leave them in the Championship relegation zone.
Players and staff have not been paid since December, and chief executive David Lampitt was made redundant on Wednesday along with other senior members of staff.
Birch also revealed that he will meet with a players' representative on Thursday and the squad will be asked to defer some of their wages until the end of the season.
Trevor Birch meets Pompey fans - key points

The club are struggling to have enough money to make it to the end of the season
Chief executive David Lampitt was let go for financial reasons (as with the 33 other redundancies)
Trevor Birch not expect to make any more redundancies.
The Football League will not let them bring in any more players in unless they go down to 14 fit players
A players' representative will meet with Birch on Thursday where Birch will ask them to defer some wages until end of season
Birch will decide who the club is sold to and not creditor Balram Chainrai
Administrators are open to the idea of a supporters trust buying the club.

Birch also told fans Pompey's administrator also told fans he will make the decision over whom the club is sold to - rather than major creditor Balram Chainrai, who is owed £17m.
He hopes Wednesday's redundancies will be the last at the club.
"It was a purely economic decision that we had to make," Birch said.
"We have a very small amount of money that we have to stretch out for the rest of the season and David and his fellow directors have joined with other redundancies that we have had to make.
"I feel sorry for them as they have all worked so hard over the past few months in difficult circumstances, but we have to try and get to the end of the season.
"That's it now in terms of the redundancies. We don't expect any more; we do it in one foul swoop and hopefully that will take us through to the end of the season."
Pompey's squad is thinning by the week with injuries also limiting manager Michael Appleton's options, and Birch revealed that the Football League will not allow them to bring new players in.
"The cash available is worse than we first feared," said Birch.
"Some of the bits of assumptions that were made in terms of income to take us forward we've now taken a more conservative view on that. We've got to conserve the cash to make sure it takes us through to the end of the season.
"The Football League will not let us bring any players in and they don't want us to have a competitive advantage when we still owe clubs money.
"If we have less than 14 fit players then they will allow us to bring someone in."
Birch is open to the idea of a fans consortium buying the stricken club, adding: "We won't rule out at all a supporters trust buying the club if that is the best game in town and certainly we will look at it. They can bid on their own or along with another interested party."

ccfcway · Feb 23, 2012

its simply not posible for them to have less than 14 players ?

They have 20 in their academy ?

I'mARealWizard · Feb 23, 2012

ccfcway said:
its simply not posible for them to have less than 14 players ?

They have 20 in their academy ?

14 fit players.

Be interesting to see if any of the academy players are soon ruled to be 'unfit' with various ailments...

ccfcway · Feb 23, 2012

20 unfit players ?

ashbyjan · Feb 23, 2012

What is the definition of a player? Is it anyone at the club on a professional contract ie: youth teamers etc or is it just what Portsmouth deem first teamers? How many keepers are in that 14 or is it just outfield players? Whatever it is you can bet the cheating twats will be bending/breaking every rule in the book just liken they have been for years. If players are not paid for two consecutive months can they declare themselves free agents? Wonder how many will walk away?

Jack Griffin · Feb 23, 2012

They probably haven't given academy players professional contracts, so they can't be counted. City have.

ccfcway · Feb 23, 2012

thats a good point !

wonder how many "professionals they have ?

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 23, 2012

ccfcway said:
thats a good point !

wonder how many "professionals they have ?

Then the FL should not be saying 'We'll let you sign loanees', rather 'Sign up your youth players'. What sympathy have you shown the likes of CCFC, Mr Football League? Sod none, so don't show Portsmouth any when they have made no attempt at all to learn from past mistakes.

chiefdave · Feb 23, 2012

ashbyjan said:
What is the definition of a player? Is it anyone at the club on a professional contract ie: youth teamers etc or is it just what Portsmouth deem first teamers? How many keepers are in that 14 or is it just outfield players? Whatever it is you can bet the cheating twats will be bending/breaking every rule in the book just liken they have been for years. If players are not paid for two consecutive months can they declare themselves free agents? Wonder how many will walk away?

I believe in terms of FL rules 3 apperances on the bench, even if you don't come on, mean you're counted as a first team squad memeber. This is the reason Pompey have refused to put the kids on the bench as they don't want them counted. Be interesting to see if the FL put in any checks on fitness is they claim they're down to 14 or insist on them playing kids.

From the sounds of things they are going to make a payment to players to keep them under contract but will not pay them the full amount. I would have thought even not being paid the full amount you could walk away as Pompey would be in breach of contract but I'm guessing there.

Sick Boy · Feb 23, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then the FL should not be saying 'We'll let you sign loanees', rather 'Sign up your youth players'. What sympathy have you shown the likes of CCFC, Mr Football League? Sod none, so don't show Portsmouth any when they have made no attempt at all to learn from past mistakes.

If they are bringing in loan players without paying the wages then what is the problem? I am sure that you wouldn't be complaining if we had gone down that route.

ccfcway · Feb 23, 2012

Sick Boy said:
If they are bringing in loan players without paying the wages then what is the problem? I am sure that you wouldn't be complaining if we had gone down that route.

difference is that we are paing our debts to the HMRC etc

They are not...

These players who come without having to pay their wages, well, they still have to pay their transport, hotels, food, kit etc etc. Even a "Free" player costs money they dont have !

Sick Boy · Feb 23, 2012

ccfcway said:
difference is that we are paing our debts to the HMRC etc

They are not...

These players who come without having to pay their wages, well, they still have to pay their transport, hotels, food, kit etc etc. Even a "Free" player costs money they dont have !

I am sure people were speculating on here about whether or not we had paid HMRC? What about our previous transfer embargo? It is not as though we have been whiter than white.

If we were in their situation, I am sure people would not be complaining about us bringing in loan players.

Joy Division · Feb 23, 2012

Providing I haven't misread something, football league rules indicate that as long as a youth team player is registered to the squad and is over 15 years of age they are eligable to play for the first team.

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731#51

Sick Boy · Feb 23, 2012

Joy Division said:
Providing I haven't misread something, football league rules indicate that as long as a youth team player is registered to the squad and is over 15 years of age they are eligable to play for the first team.

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731#51

They have to be named in the first team squad 2 or 3 times to not be regarded as a youth player?

ccfcway · Feb 23, 2012

Sick Boy said:
If we were in their situation, I am sure people would not be complaining about us bringing in loan players.

EVERYONE would be complaining (apart from CCFC fans)

Sick Boy · Feb 23, 2012

ccfcway said:
EVERYONE would be complaining (apart from CCFC fans)

Exactly.

Football fans seem to possess some of the highest morals in society, until it comes to their own team of course.

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