And another post where there is no fact and just twisted rubbish.Nah, that'd be presumptuous. Just because you're conditioned to believe Christianity abhors homosexuals, doesn't make it so.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that homosexuals are to be subjected to hatred, prejudice or discrimination. So if you're going to make assumptions based on misinformation, you're likely to be corrected this way.
Y'know this evidence and research that Atheists crave? Perhaps they should gather their own before publicly embarrassing themselves with base ignorance.
This smarmy paedophile is an idol of yours?
It actually makes it very easy to disagree with, since the man in question is not only a charlatan, but a confirmed paedophile. Also, the opinion of a Luciferian (he's not an Atheist, I promise you) is hardly likely to be anything but deceitful and misdirecting. You'll not find this information in mainstream media, by the way. Nothing of substance is found there.
God is not responsible for the afflictions of this world; this is what nobody here understands. Our fates are predetermined, written out in the annals to come. Life is cruel, harse, tragic, sorrowful and inescapably miserable for the best part of anyone's life; I too have been touched by tragedy, loss and terrible depression...this LED me to God, and I soon realised that life is not meant to be a breeze, or indeed peaceful and romantic. It's a shit sandwich, bitten into daily.
I'm truly sorry for the losses, the turmoil and the suffering you and your brethren have endured. My heart is sorrowful at anyone's personal grief and loss. This, however, does not give anyone the right to blame it on God. It's not how it 'works', in the grand scheme of things.
Apropos charlatans.... and paedophiles... they are in all religions. It seems they find it easy to take advantage of people looking for love and security.
MSM is full of substance - ok not all everything is correct and most is slanted -, but in comparison to some of the shit posted by religious people, or people using religion for power, money or sex, it is a damn site more reliable.
You claim that your friend - god - is not responsible for the afflictions of this world ( did he tell you that? And you believe it? Ffs. ) !
If your friend created the universe - as claimed by other people who have similar friends - how come he cannot solve the problems on this rock in an obscure galaxy? If it is because he doesn't want to, then he is a prick and certainly shouldn't be worshipped.
If you think an apology consists of more insults you can take your love in with him to PM. If calling someone a paedophile and people who have spoken about him as paedophile worshippers is an apology I look forward to when his insults start.Wow. Just caught up with this thread. Some sorry reading.
Dude alologised and numerous postwrs still being rude to anyone who believes in god. Wow
Dont pretend you are defensing yourself. Lots of unwarranted rude posts here
Anyway as for the fry video. It is very touching and i understabd his point. Its similar questions i have and still ask myself.
1 thing i will say is famine in africa and other places coukd be sorted by rest of world if we teukt wantes to bail them out. But human suffering is acxeptable to humans that arw not suffering.thibk about if you ever change channel when chairtt advets ckme on cos they make you feel bad or guilty etc. It all.comes back to humans live their lives how they see fit. Humans cause this world to be as it is and maybe One day they will be judged for their actions? Maybe.
If your gonna be babies and keep crying just leave the thread. If you wanna discuss this amazing world and life we lead then lets do it without arguing please. Were all city fans so why fall out?
Peace.
If only war wasn't caused by religion.Sorry astute
Some words from the Archbishop of Canterburys recent trip to Auschwitz
After visiting Auschwitz this week, here are some reflections on recognising and responding to evil:
This was my third visit to Auschwitz/Birkenau, and each time has been even more appalling. In early January the cold is penetrating, between 9 and 14 degrees below centigrade. We were fully equipped with snow boots, layers of clothing, hats, gloves, scarves... yet it worked through layer after layer until we were cold to the core. The prisoners wore the equivalent of pyjamas and clogs. We were out in that cold for five hours in the day. They would be out for 12 hours. We were fed. They were starved.
There are so many statistics about Auschwitz/Birkenau, but it defies description. Eighty-five per cent of prisoners died. Many in just days of arriving. Then there was the industrialized killing of the gas chambers. The vulnerable, the disabled, marginalised minorities, and above all the Jews: children, adults and the elderly, taken from a train to their deaths in as little as 30 minutes. Accounts were kept, profits were sought. No one can deny the reality of what happened. There is simply far, far, far too much evidence.
Our retreat at Auschwitz gathered the first cohort of the Learning Community (a group of Anglican clergy on a programme of in-service training) for three days of prayer and theological and scriptural reflection. We considered the issues of human evil: how we recognise it and how we respond.
Naturally it provoked so many questions:
Having seen this terrible place could we still speak of God? Could we still pray, and if so in what way?
Could we hear the tunes of evil in such a way that we recognise their modern variations?
Even if we recognised evil, how could we know we would have the courage to protest, to lament – and not be silent when horror threatened?
Here are three things that will stay with me:
First is the way that the perpetrators at Auschwitz tried to dehumanise their victims – in a way that actually cost the humanity of both. It worked to some extent. Prisoners killed others in order to live – and were then killed themselves. Others gave their lives, like St Maximilian Kolbe and St Edith Stein.
Second, these atrocities were committed by ordinary people. When one of the priests leading our retreat was asked who was to blame, he said: "People did it to people.”
Third, it was idolatrous and demonic. It was evil in the strict sense of human-created alternatives to the grace and providence of God. It reversed everything good with everything bad. During the retreat the Revd Dr Sam Wells gave three extraordinary reflections on this question.
Meanwhile the Very Revd Pete Wilcox reflected powerfully on Lamentations and Revelation – speaking of protest, hope and the call to endure.
I’ve come away with too much to write, and no words to write it. We must protest to the limit against evil: before it occurs, as it happens, and in its aftermath. But there is also a need for silent reflection – in which we honour the victims, mourn our capacity for evil, and learn to beware.
My reflection is life in all its fullness is to be lived and lived well. We are all capable of such love and such good yet we often choose not good
God or not, we are responsible for the choices we make and we have the free will to choose how we react to every situation we face. I choose the reality of Gods existence in my life. It doesn't make me a better person or a wiser person and it's not an excuse for behaving in an inhuman way and excusing it in some metaphysical way.
I can know freedom from guilt and an understanding of unconditional love and how this impacts all I am as I recognise Gods love around me in all things
Bless you guys
I used to hate him and his music.i used to think whole world could agree to hate them
but i dunno some of his tracks aint bad.....
Sorry astute
Some words from the Archbishop of Canterburys recent trip to Auschwitz
After visiting Auschwitz this week, here are some reflections on recognising and responding to evil:
This was my third visit to Auschwitz/Birkenau, and each time has been even more appalling. In early January the cold is penetrating, between 9 and 14 degrees below centigrade. We were fully equipped with snow boots, layers of clothing, hats, gloves, scarves... yet it worked through layer after layer until we were cold to the core. The prisoners wore the equivalent of pyjamas and clogs. We were out in that cold for five hours in the day. They would be out for 12 hours. We were fed. They were starved.
There are so many statistics about Auschwitz/Birkenau, but it defies description. Eighty-five per cent of prisoners died. Many in just days of arriving. Then there was the industrialized killing of the gas chambers. The vulnerable, the disabled, marginalised minorities, and above all the Jews: children, adults and the elderly, taken from a train to their deaths in as little as 30 minutes. Accounts were kept, profits were sought. No one can deny the reality of what happened. There is simply far, far, far too much evidence.
Our retreat at Auschwitz gathered the first cohort of the Learning Community (a group of Anglican clergy on a programme of in-service training) for three days of prayer and theological and scriptural reflection. We considered the issues of human evil: how we recognise it and how we respond.
Naturally it provoked so many questions:
Having seen this terrible place could we still speak of God? Could we still pray, and if so in what way?
Could we hear the tunes of evil in such a way that we recognise their modern variations?
Even if we recognised evil, how could we know we would have the courage to protest, to lament – and not be silent when horror threatened?
Here are three things that will stay with me:
First is the way that the perpetrators at Auschwitz tried to dehumanise their victims – in a way that actually cost the humanity of both. It worked to some extent. Prisoners killed others in order to live – and were then killed themselves. Others gave their lives, like St Maximilian Kolbe and St Edith Stein.
Second, these atrocities were committed by ordinary people. When one of the priests leading our retreat was asked who was to blame, he said: "People did it to people.”
Third, it was idolatrous and demonic. It was evil in the strict sense of human-created alternatives to the grace and providence of God. It reversed everything good with everything bad. During the retreat the Revd Dr Sam Wells gave three extraordinary reflections on this question.
Meanwhile the Very Revd Pete Wilcox reflected powerfully on Lamentations and Revelation – speaking of protest, hope and the call to endure.
I’ve come away with too much to write, and no words to write it. We must protest to the limit against evil: before it occurs, as it happens, and in its aftermath. But there is also a need for silent reflection – in which we honour the victims, mourn our capacity for evil, and learn to beware.
My reflection is life in all its fullness is to be lived and lived well. We are all capable of such love and such good yet we often choose not good
God or not, we are responsible for the choices we make and we have the free will to choose how we react to every situation we face. I choose the reality of Gods existence in my life. It doesn't make me a better person or a wiser person and it's not an excuse for behaving in an inhuman way and excusing it in some metaphysical way.
I can know freedom from guilt and an understanding of unconditional love and how this impacts all I am as I recognise Gods love around me in all things
Bless you guys
Do you really think it is?? You're way more intelligent than that!If only war wasn't caused by religion.
It was me blessing you msrtcov and I repeat what I did to astute. You are way to intelligent to not understand that war is caused by hatred , bitterness, fear and religion and politics are excuses that humans use to justify what they do that is just plain wrong.Hitler was brought up as a catholic Christian in a Christian country. His rise to power started in very catholic Munich. His first act as chancellor was to promise to keep canon law in a deal with the Vatican ambassador who later became pope.
His followers were largely Christian. There pogrom against Jews and communists was made possible by religious fervour. It wasn't the first anti Jewish pogrom in Germany. Julius Streicher referred to a previous one in Nürnberg in the Middle Ages - and to a future one which he thought would inevitably come, whilst on the scaffold at his execution.
Yes, the Jews were responsible for the death of Christ in the eyes of the Catholic Church- Auschwitz was hardly a surprise. That bishops didn't mention the religious roots of the pogrom is also not a surprise. It was easy to wind up hate against Jews in a catholic area. Harder in Berlin and Hamburg, but it was too late to stop it after the Nazis came to power.
I don't need blessing by a hateful vindictive god - who doesn't exist anyway, but is regularly used to justify terrible atrocities.
War is down to man
They can use religion as an excuse or they can use oil as an excuse. Either way its himan failurr thay causes it
Why shoukd god step in? Humans will be judged on their actions. Of some humans are evil it will have consequences for others in this lifetime. When judged they will have to pay for that and innocents wont.
Also whats this many gods thing? Everyone on thisbthread believes in 1 God.
Will some other religions say different? Sure. But some said the world was flat too. Should we discoint all science because some disagree?
This is better. Less immature crying and ranting. More debate.
Just seen this one martcov.Really. Which god? Your god per chance? A bit unfair on all the other gods. Did he show us how to live? Treat others as you would have them treat you....very nice. Do we only think that that is sensible because a Judean hippy said so? Or do other people who have never heard of Jesus' teachings also act in that way? Which tribe kills and murders each other because of non religious reasons? Most people just want to get on with their lives.... it is only when some nut - mainly religious, but they don't have a monopoly - starts winding people up that "normal" people get sucked in to doing bad things.
Do you really think it is?? You're way more intelligent than that!
It's caused by fear, hatred, bitterness etc etc etc religion or politics is just an excuse to treat others in a way that is wrong
I'm the most humble guy I know lol. In all seriousness it's funny that people expect Christian's to be a certain thing and ridicule them for it and when they behave in a way that others deem unchristian they call them for hypocrisy! You are who you have been made to be - I am no better than you or astute or any of our friends on here.Well said, and well pointed out, generally.
I won't, however, engage in any further discussions with certain members, because their lack of humanity is galling to me. Tried my utmost to make my stance clear, as innocently as I could, but it took one innocuous comment to send everyone into a dog-pile. I'm done.
Like I said to you, if you want to learn more about my journey, then I'll PM you.
Also, Sky Blue Pete is a far better Christian than me, since his heart is truly forgiving in the face of unwarranted abuse. Take a leaf out of his book, not mine.
War is down to man
They can use religion as an excuse or they can use oil as an excuse. Either way its himan failurr thay causes it
Why shoukd god step in? Humans will be judged on their actions. Of some humans are evil it will have consequences for others in this lifetime. When judged they will have to pay for that and innocents wont.
Also whats this many gods thing? Everyone on thisbthread believes in 1 God.
Will some other religions say different? Sure. But some said the world was flat too. Should we discoint all science because some disagree?
This is better. Less immature crying and ranting. More debate.
Scientific value 0% is debatable but absolutely there are truths throughout all the world faiths. There are some central tenents of the Christian faith that are different but unfortunately the 'truth' of them can sometimes be dependent on the people acting it out and we are awful on occasion. How I wish it wasn't so but I've come to understand that as human beings with or without faith we choose how we act and that has consequences for us personally and those around usIn science you can dispute claims and prove them wrong through peer review. In religion you can make outlandish claims and no-one can either disprove them or prove them. They remain claims.
Why do you think other religions are inferior to yours? Or that they are less true than yours? All religions are based on claims, not facts. They are all equal. Your claims are unproven, Hindu's claims are unproven = they are equal in value. Scientific value of 0,00%.
Agree with this 100%, Pete. The discord and dissention is sown by those in power, simply to get what they want. Let's not forget that the only reason WW2 broke out, is because The Allies wanted a piece of Germany's economic miracle. Hitler told them to piss off, and the rest is history. Hitler didn't invade any country, historically, he was simply defending his country in retaliation. Not to say Hitler is a hero, because some truly do see him that way: he was a drug-crazed maniac towards the middle and end of WW2, and his decisions and actions were very clear for the world to see. Also, Hitler was a devout Catholic. Not many people know that.
If I was to tell people that Christ is the road to the complete truth of this world, would they listen in your opinion?
I'm the most humble guy I know lol. In all seriousness it's funny that people expect Christian's to be a certain thing and ridicule them for it and when they behave in a way that others deem unchristian they call them for hypocrisy! You are who you have been made to be - I am no better than you or astute or any of our friends on here.
Life is complex I choose to be in awe of that and seek to inspire my fellow man in the way a butterfly inspires me in its gracefulness.
Love God and love your neighbour - Christianity in a nutshell! I have some bloody hard questions ready for when I die but I also have some bloody hard ones to answer about how I've used what I've been given for the greater good
I'm the most humble guy I know too.I'm the most humble guy I know lol. In all seriousness it's funny that people expect Christian's to be a certain thing and ridicule them for it and when they behave in a way that others deem unchristian they call them for hypocrisy! You are who you have been made to be - I am no better than you or astute or any of our friends on here.
Life is complex I choose to be in awe of that and seek to inspire my fellow man in the way a butterfly inspires me in its gracefulness.
Love God and love your neighbour - Christianity in a nutshell! I have some bloody hard questions ready for when I die but I also have some bloody hard ones to answer about how I've used what I've been given for the greater good
I'm the most humble guy I know too.
In another life we could have been gay lovers (with God's permission of course and my turning the other cheek).
See that may be how Christianity has been portrayed and may even be How you have experienced it but it's not true. Love his very hard for others who hate you as I'm sure you understand. It's a powerful prospectus for a new world of peace for all. My god doesn't prefer me as I acknowledge him read the lost coin the lost sheep etc etc. Christianity's god is a god of all people, he causes the sun to rise on all not just those who profess to follow Jesus. It's power that corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimatelyLove an imaginary friend and be nice to those in your group seems to be common amongst religious people. When it comes to those who don't conform to the rules of the group, or belong to another group, then you can expect problems.
I'm the most humble guy I know lol. In all seriousness it's funny that people expect Christian's to be a certain thing and ridicule them for it and when they behave in a way that others deem unchristian they call them for hypocrisy! You are who you have been made to be - I am no better than you or astute or any of our friends on here.
Life is complex I choose to be in awe of that and seek to inspire my fellow man in the way a butterfly inspires me in its gracefulness.
Love God and love your neighbour - Christianity in a nutshell! I have some bloody hard questions ready for when I die but I also have some bloody hard ones to answer about how I've used what I've been given for the greater good
Scientific value 0% is debatable but absolutely there are truths throughout all the world faiths. There are some central tenents of the Christian faith that are different but unfortunately the 'truth' of them can sometimes be dependent on the people acting it out and we are awful on occasion. How I wish it wasn't so but I've come to understand that as human beings with or without faith we choose how we act and that has consequences for us personally and those around us
See that may be how Christianity has been portrayed and may even be How you have experienced it but it's not true. Love his very hard for others who hate you as I'm sure you understand. It's a powerful prospectus for a new world of peace for all. My god doesn't prefer me as I acknowledge him read the lost coin the lost sheep etc etc. Christianity's god is a god of all people, he causes the sun to rise on all not just those who profess to follow Jesus. It's power that corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimately
Martcov you are right to question Justin welby on why no mention of the conflict that caused the auschwitz murder camp
Read a little about him though it would open your eyes to what travel has been saying about understanding faith.
From losing his child in s car accident to his work in Nigeria seeking reconciliation his life has made a massive difference to many people and he would give the glory to what paul described in Romans as 'the imaginary God' and what he'd describe as god as seen in the bodily form or a Nazarene peasant - Jesus
Ok meditation martcov? Any use to mindfulness and managing ones mind to live our lives better??Debate the scientific value of the bible then. The "truth" is what humans made up and is not provable as truth in the real sense. Just faith based "truth".
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