clint van damme
Well-Known Member
It's not really relevant.
I put up on here he was our player in April so the deal was done when he was in the Championship but they were clearly going down .
The main point is, did we pay over the odds for him?
He was playing for a League One club when we signed him. I’m not sure why that’s hard to understand. He was a Championship player in 23/24 and we signed him in 24/25 when he was at a League One club who had just been relegated.
Because he was playing in L1 the season before we signed him.
If you're making a point that we should've got Rudoni cheaper because Hudds got relegated, then fair enough that's valid. If you're trying to make a point about us signing players based on L1 performances that obviously isn't valid.
Overpaying or not is a secondary question to whether we should've signed him in the first place.It's not really relevant.
I put up on here he was our player in April so the deal was done when he was in the Championship but they were clearly going down .
The main point is, did we pay over the odds for him?
It's not really relevant.
I put up on here he was our player in April so the deal was done when he was in the Championship but they were clearly going down .
The main point is, did we pay over the odds for him?
My point exactly. How does “a large amount or number” apply to 8 points out of a potential 27?In the bottom three, probably bottom.
amass
verb
gather together or accumulate (a large amount or number of material or things) over a period of time.
"he amassed a fortune estimated at close to a million pounds"
Ironic.You keep banging this tired drum. It’s really odd - your whole posting is really odd.
Yes, and if you continue to walk in a straight line away from your preferred destination, you will end up somewhere you don’t really want to be.If I continue to walk in a straight line, I'll eventually end up a few miles away. Not really discussion worthy logic, is it.
Yes, and if you continue to walk in a straight lone away from your preferred destination, you will end up somewhere you don’t really want to be.
just looked online trying to find current state of play. According to transfer Market we have a net spend of 15M in red and it looks like it has all players on it.
I do expect improvement, I do expect better but my original point which seems to be lost on a few was that the “we’ve spent £45M, we should be better” is not accurate as we’ve sold players which negates this.
If we spent millions and sold no one, I’d expect promotion but we haven’t.
My point exactly. How does “a large amount or number” apply to 8 points out of a potential 27?
Scrape together is a more appropriate term.
I have spent decades viewing matches through Sky Blue tinted glasses. The tint I. yours must be so dark as to render you incapable of sight,Wednesday were gifted that win. I don't personally think they did enough to win it on their own.
He managed a half hearted push in the back. From where he was, I think it would have had to be a straight red worthy hack to have stopped the player,I’m not saying he should be absolved. I think he should have took the second yellow. But in the heat of the moment and when he is clearly tired it’s easy for us to say as spectators
Kick offs?We were poor against Swansea, but not completely outplayed. I thought we outplayed Norwich for parts of the game.
The rebuild was always going to be tough. I don’t know who or what the drivers were but I can’t help but feel we’ve significantly overspent and not built the right mix of talents and personalities.
I don’t expect us to go up straight away. But I expected us to move from a system reliant on two outstanding talents to a more balanced squad with a proper style of play.
So, if we continue losing we won’t get relegated?Not an insult, saying if we continue losing we will be relegated, is the logic of a child. Try something with some thought behind it.
Did you mean we have spent a lot, results would suggest we haven’t spent well.Point is we’ve spent well and we’ve spent all the windfall.
Or get shoved!We are over reacting tbh.
Robin's is a good manager and has proven time and again he will get things right.
The problem is what happened behind the scenes to make the club get on the front foot and approach everything from a higher standpoint? To this end changes have taken place throughout the club and training ground to give the club the look more suited to a club of our size and history. Even down to everyone in club tracksuits. All of this is admirable and was needed.
So if you look the part, you then have to back it up.
The second phase was build on Robin's brilliant legacy to date and give him the squad to step up to another level. That partially came about last season but tailed away in the end with too much too soon pressure.
The close season was the main squad rebuild and we have secured good players. They need time and nurturing. You can clearly see the level some of these players have is an improvement on what we had.
So why are we getting such disaray and chaoctic performances that even Robin's seems mystified by?
I touched on this many weeks ago. The finger needs pointing at two areas that are crucial and have changed to the detrement of the football clubs ethos, thus directly affecting performances on the pitch with many players performing like Jeykll and hyde.
1st: he had some areas of direct authority spread between a team of backroom staff that he normally would have handle himself, daily with the likes of sidekick Adi Vivash. Having performances directors, and a whole array of positions handling everything in the hope Robin's was free to concentrate more on the playing side. Yes in theory but we are not Man City, and no pretence will acheive that. As Robin's has alluded to, he no longer has full control over scouting areas, and rather has suggested players brought to him. This I can imagine creates conflict, in so much a player is identified and a team of 'experts' want him, while Robin's may disagree but is under pressure to say yes.
2nd: The coaching staff changes. We have all mentioned the loss of Vivash and whatever the truth behind that sudden departure after 7 years or so with Robin's can't have been ideal. Hail the new team of coaches who's job has been made clear to get top performances from players. There are keeper coaches, defensive coaches, striker coaches etc etc. Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen all pulling in different directions. The confusion for the players must be terrible. This has lost Robin's ability to get his own ideas clear to the players. Yes he picks the side, but seems heavily influenced by the backroom 'team'. So far the coaching ability has shown us nothing of note, and I question if they are up to the job and it's time to recognise they are not? Robin's must grab back some authority he suceeded and bring a strong arm to the table at the next meeting with King. Changes must be made to suit Robin's going forward. If that is to get himself a distinct number 2 in the mold of Vivash, and slim down the array of coaches so the message is clear to the players , so be it. My fear is not that Robin's should go, but that Robin's might walk!
just looked online trying to find current state of play. According to transfer Market we have a net spend of 15M in red and it looks like it has all players on it.
I do expect improvement, I do expect better but my original point which seems to be lost on a few was that the “we’ve spent £45M, we should be better” is not accurate as we’ve sold players which negates this.
If we spent millions and sold no one, I’d expect promotion but we haven’t.
And they'll want out IMO, their agents certainly will,and less of the dickheads please if they hold a different view to you!we’ve still spent it though haven’t we dickhead
net spend makes no difference, the point is the squad is worth what we’ve spend on it, and therefore should be performing to a higher level.
you’re trying to be clever but you can’t see the point….it’s like you’re saying well we bought Wright for £10M but sold Vik for £20M so that means Wright’s value is £-10M.
the point is we have added multi millions of pounds worth of players to the squad and they should be competing at the other end of the table.
we’ve still spent it though haven’t we dickhead
net spend makes no difference, the point is the squad is worth what we’ve spent on it, and therefore should be performing to a higher level.
you’re trying to be clever but you can’t see the point….it’s like you’re saying well we bought Wright for £10M but sold Vik for £20M so that means Wright’s value is £-10M.
the point is we have added multi millions of pounds worth of players to the squad and they should be competing at the other end of the table.
Definitely some valid points. But unless it was a misconduct/safeguarding issue it would have probably been helpful if the club had been open with supporters regarding the removal of Vivash. Last season we won 16 league games, Birmingham were relegated having won 13 games, the gulf to the bottom 6 and a relegation battle is not far away. My concern is increasingly Robins is making irrational decisions, he sort of acknowledged he was overthinking decisions in a recent interview. We can all agree he has dragged the club back to a point of creditability but three league wins in our last 17 league games is a concern.We are over reacting tbh.
Robin's is a good manager and has proven time and again he will get things right.
The problem is what happened behind the scenes to make the club get on the front foot and approach everything from a higher standpoint? To this end changes have taken place throughout the club and training ground to give the club the look more suited to a club of our size and history. Even down to everyone in club tracksuits. All of this is admirable and was needed.
So if you look the part, you then have to back it up.
The second phase was build on Robin's brilliant legacy to date and give him the squad to step up to another level. That partially came about last season but tailed away in the end with too much too soon pressure.
The close season was the main squad rebuild and we have secured good players. They need time and nurturing. You can clearly see the level some of these players have is an improvement on what we had.
So why are we getting such disaray and chaoctic performances that even Robin's seems mystified by?
I touched on this many weeks ago. The finger needs pointing at two areas that are crucial and have changed to the detrement of the football clubs ethos, thus directly affecting performances on the pitch with many players performing like Jeykll and hyde.
1st: he had some areas of direct authority spread between a team of backroom staff that he normally would have handle himself, daily with the likes of sidekick Adi Vivash. Having performances directors, and a whole array of positions handling everything in the hope Robin's was free to concentrate more on the playing side. Yes in theory but we are not Man City, and no pretence will acheive that. As Robin's has alluded to, he no longer has full control over scouting areas, and rather has suggested players brought to him. This I can imagine creates conflict, in so much a player is identified and a team of 'experts' want him, while Robin's may disagree but is under pressure to say yes.
2nd: The coaching staff changes. We have all mentioned the loss of Vivash and whatever the truth behind that sudden departure after 7 years or so with Robin's can't have been ideal. Hail the new team of coaches who's job has been made clear to get top performances from players. There are keeper coaches, defensive coaches, striker coaches etc etc. Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen all pulling in different directions. The confusion for the players must be terrible. This has lost Robin's ability to get his own ideas clear to the players. Yes he picks the side, but seems heavily influenced by the backroom 'team'. So far the coaching ability has shown us nothing of note, and I question if they are up to the job and it's time to recognise they are not? Robin's must grab back some authority he suceeded and bring a strong arm to the table at the next meeting with King. Changes must be made to suit Robin's going forward. If that is to get himself a distinct number 2 in the mold of Vivash, and slim down the array of coaches so the message is clear to the players , so be it. My fear is not that Robin's should go, but that Robin's might walk!
That’s what I was thinking as well. We will have to be a very good team to even stay up in the Premier League. However, it’s not a lot to ask for us to be a top 8 side in The Champioship.This shit is exactly what we would be putting up with week in/week out if we ever got promoted.
Utter, incoherent bilge.we’ve still spent it though haven’t we dickhead
net spend makes no difference, the point is the squad is worth what we’ve spent on it, and therefore should be performing to a higher level.
you’re trying to be clever but you can’t see the point….it’s like you’re saying well we bought Wright for £10M but sold Vik for £20M so that means Wright’s value is £-10M.
the point is we have added multi millions of pounds worth of players to the squad and they should be competing at the other end of the table.
Yup.This shit is exactly what we would be putting up with week in/week out if we ever got promoted.
Utter, incoherent bilge.
Doesn’t one point off 22 place put you in a relegation battle.
Talks out of his arse that blokeare you describing 99% of your posts?
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