oucho
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I think being 3 points off the PO slots by mid Feb is acceptable, especially with gamrs in hand. Being competitive this season was key and we have done that despite the recent blip. It's not sackable.
I think being 3 points off the PO slots by mid Feb is acceptable, especially with gamrs in hand. Being competitive this season was key and we have done that despite the recent blip. It's not sackable.I expect better than 10th in Division 4 yes. Don't you?
Fundermentle!Where do you get when we get next years budget from ? it will be minimal even if we sell a couple of starlets and recieve a windfall from Maddison and/or Callum Wilson and that’s the fundermentle problem we will be selling players like Bayliss possibly McNulty and bringing in freebies in the hope they deliver.
I think being 3 points off the PO slots by mid Feb is acceptable, especially with gamrs in hand. Being competitive this season was key and we have done that despite the recent blip. It's not sackable.
At what point do you think the board WOULD sack Mark Robins? Or do you think he would survive regardless?
You would have to think if we say lost 8 or 9 games in a row it would be at least be a topic of discussion in the boardroom.
If we ended up way, way down the league perhaps?
Just wondering and also wondering, amongst those who don't want him sacked would you have a turning point in which you would change your mind?
I don't want him sacked, but if we were to lose 6 or 7 games in a row I would certainly reassess my position.
Fancy finding out how many of those clubs went up with the same manager who started in harge of their first season down...?
At what point do you think the board WOULD sack Mark Robins? Or do you think he would survive regardless?
You would have to think if we say lost 8 or 9 games in a row it would be at least be a topic of discussion in the boardroom.
If we ended up way, way down the league perhaps?
Just wondering and also wondering, amongst those who don't want him sacked would you have a turning point in which you would change your mind?
I don't want him sacked, but if we were to lose 6 or 7 games in a row I would certainly reassess my position.
Wrong teams!As you requested....
Swindon 3rd 06/07
Started with Dennis Wise - left for Leeds
Finished with Paul Sturrock
Harlepool 2nd 06/07
Started with Danny Wilson
Finished with Danny Wilson
Walsall 1st 06/07
Started with Richard Money
Finished with Richard Money
Gillingham play off winners 08/09
Started with Mark Stimson
Finished with Mark Stimson
Wycombe 3rd 10/11
Started with Gary Waddock
Finished with Gary Waddock
Swindon 1st 11/12
Started with Paulo Di Canio
Finished with Paulo Di Canio
Scunthorpe 2nd 13/14
Started with Brian Laws - sacked after 16 games, Scunthorpe 12th 2pts outside play offs.
Finished with Russ Wilcox
Shrewsbury 2nd 14/15
Started with Micky Mellon
Finished with Micky Mellon
Doncaster 3rd 16/17
Started with Darren Ferguson
Finished with Darren Ferguson
Blackpool play off winners 16/17
Started with Gary Bowyer
Finished with Gary Bowyer
10 clubs promoted 8 by the same manager who started the season and 1 who sacked there manager. Scunthorpe sacked Brian Laws after 16 games, Scunthorpe were 12th 2pts outside play offs mid November. The other Dennis Wise left Swindon for Leeds late October with Swindon 3rd
Wrong teams!
The sides that got promoted in their second season. How many of them kept their manager from the start of season 1 until promotion?
Does that mean he had no input into the result?/QUOTE]
Wembley ?? He didn’t even lead us out !!
It's times like these you need to decide what's important in life, work or SBT?Ha ha ha..... oops!!
I've just started that list when I've completed it I'll post it up.
*slight delay, called away on a job
Arrgh no it isn't sackable. Do you sack someone because they come near to a target and miss? No. It's called investing in people; I have full confidence we'll be a strongrer force next season if MR stays on that we'd be if we rip it all up and start all over again .Of course not at this point, but ending up outside 7th at the end certainly is.
Does sacking the manager mean we will avoid this fate and start going in the other direction? From the evidence I see over the last ten years at this club it is sack the manager and continue to fall. Time to give someone a chance.Flash forwards to this exact date 2020.
'Get a grip, this is non league football, with a non league manager.'
And then again to 2025.
'Get a grip, this is without a league football and we haven't even got a manager.'
Isn’t the board just Tim Fisher?At what point do you think the board WOULD sack Mark Robins? Or do you think he would survive regardless?
You would have to think if we say lost 8 or 9 games in a row it would be at least be a topic of discussion in the boardroom.
If we ended up way, way down the league perhaps?
Just wondering and also wondering, amongst those who don't want him sacked would you have a turning point in which you would change your mind?
I don't want him sacked, but if we were to lose 6 or 7 games in a row I would certainly reassess my position.
Arrgh no it isn't sackable. Do you sack someone because they come near to a target and miss? No. It's called investing in people; I have full confidence we'll be a strongrer force next season if MR stays on that we'd be if we rip it all up and start all over again .
Does sacking the manager mean we will avoid this fate and start going in the other direction? From the evidence I see over the last ten years at this club it is sack the manager and continue to fall. Time to give someone a chance.
Sacked and left before being sacked. How did their replacements fair? Robins left before the Northampton debacle and then Pressley installed and then sacked after being given a four year contract. Venus and then Slade, did they take us forward? Robins produced an upturn in fortune when he took over and has proved to be as good as any manager we have had in the last ten years. Should we be tenth in the fourth division? No, but the blame for that lies with Sisu and the way they have run this club. Why should getting someone else in work this time when the last ten or eleven appointments have been perceived as failures? Give Robins the time he needs and at least try to buck the trend.Gave Thorn a chance after relegation-disaster. Gave Mowbray a chance after he bombed the 15/16 season-disaster. Each manager showed an inability to adapt and we expected it to change.
Just wondering and also wondering, amongst those who don't want him sacked would you have a turning point in which you would change your mind?
Sacked and left before being sacked. How did their replacements fair? Robins left before the Northampton debacle and then Pressley installed and then sacked after being given a four year contract. Venus and then Slade, did they take us forward? Robins produced an upturn in fortune when he took over and has proved to be as good as any manager we have had in the last ten years. Should we be tenth in the fourth division? No, but the blame for that lies with Sisu and the way they have run this club. Why should getting someone else in work this time when the last ten or eleven appointments have been perceived as failures? Give Robins the time he needs and at least try to buck the trend.
Exactly - it is SISU who need to take a long hard look...at THEIR process success is either instant (i.e. throw in shed loads of money) or gradually build (requires a good standard and consistency behind the scenes)Sacked and left before being sacked. How did their replacements fair? Robins left before the Northampton debacle and then Pressley installed and then sacked after being given a four year contract. Venus and then Slade, did they take us forward? Robins produced an upturn in fortune when he took over and has proved to be as good as any manager we have had in the last ten years. Should we be tenth in the fourth division? No, but the blame for that lies with Sisu and the way they have run this club. Why should getting someone else in work this time when the last ten or eleven appointments have been perceived as failures? Give Robins the time he needs and at least try to buck the trend.
The positive is that we won’t see a whole squad swap like last seasons with the volume of loanees so that’s a plus however I do fear that a lot of our good talent will be ripe for the pickingThis season the foundations have been laid next season hopefully we start to reap the rewards at last
Yup and if you were a professional footballer you will surely want to play at the highest level you possibly can and receive the wages that go with it.The positive is that we won’t see a whole squad swap like last seasons with the volume of loanees so that’s a plus however I do fear that a lot of our good talent will be ripe for the picking
I have faith that he knows the way he wants to play and he will continue to build up the squad he wants. You can't turn a club round in 12 months, you need years. I'd allow him 2-3 "failure" seasons before really putting him on the clock. Let's face it, the method of allowing a manager 18 months to sink or swim has failed over the years so we won't see a quick turnaround by anyone. He needs time to learn, and sometimes you can only do that by failing initially.If he carries on stubbornly sticking to a busted system what basis do you have for expecting improvement? It isn't anything personal against the man, it is the prospect of another manager who can't learn from his mistakes and adapt to change.
I have faith that he knows the way he wants to play and he will continue to build up the squad he wants. You can't turn a club round in 12 months, you need years. I'd allow him 2-3 "failure" seasons before really putting him on the clock. Let's face it, the method of allowing a manager 18 months to sink or swim has failed over the years so we won't see a quick turnaround by anyone. He needs time to learn, and sometimes you can only do that by failing initially.
Your opening sentence here I think adds weight as to why finally we should stick by someone. As soon as things don’t go to Plan the manager is under pressure and inevitably gets the chop. You are obviously hoping that someone new comes in, it all goes great from the start and we are on a constant upward tradjectory. Any dip and presumably we would be onto the next manager. Why have none of the managers we have had over the past few years been able to do this? They have all had success elsewhere ( okay Thorne and Venus excepted).Who was the last manager we had who was able or at least willing to change things when they started to go sour? SISU are the reason behind the bigger picture, but not the reason for Robins setting teams up to steal draws in every game. I like him, I want him to succeed, but he is afflicted by the same thing that has plagued our last God knows how many managers. They cannot arrest a slide.
This is the same argument you used for getting rid of Mowbray. We are now three managers on from him, still dropping like a stone. If you could guarantee that the next one is the one to change things then I am with you. The fact is you know and I know that the same old things will be being said six,nine or twelve months down the line if instant success is not achieved. Accrington are a good example of how a manager who is good and trusted ( and is a good fit to a particular club as Robin’s seems to be here) can, with a longer term view, eventually achieve success. Why will it be any different with, to quote yourself, our eleventy-billionth manager?I wonder what crowds will be left after 2-3 failure seasons.
I'm sure the likes of Grimsby and Crewe and Morecambe etc. have pretty steady ST sales year on year. Think once you find a stable place in a division I guess ST sales would remain pretty much the same and unwavering. Certainly not dropping like a stone anyway.
The attendances however at the City have been dropping and dropping and dropping on the back of abject failure in the league for nigh on 20 years and the lack of faith in our owners.
Another 2-3 years of failure and we could be subject to many years down the wrong end of the table or even face relegation out of the Football League.
Be great if we could afford 2-3 seasons of failure in order to build and I'm sure it's a decent plan for many other clubs, but for us, I honestly think it would be disastrous.
I didn't want to see Mowbray sacked, but felt we had too.This is the same argument you used for getting rid of Mowbray. We are now three managers on from him, still dropping like a stone. If you could guarantee that the next one is the one to change things then I am with you. The fact is you know and I know that the same old things will be being said six,nine or twelve months down the line if instant success is not achieved. Accrington are a good example of how a manager who is good and trusted ( and is a good fit to a particular club as Robin’s seems to be here) can, with a longer term view, eventually achieve success. Why will it be any different with, to quote yourself, our eleventy-billionth manager?
I wonder what crowds will be left after 2-3 failure seasons.
I'm sure the likes of Grimsby and Crewe and Morecambe etc. have pretty steady ST sales year on year. Think once you find a stable place in a division I guess ST sales would remain pretty much the same and unwavering. Certainly not dropping like a stone anyway.
The attendances however at the City have been dropping and dropping and dropping on the back of abject failure in the league for nigh on 20 years and the lack of faith in our owners.
Another 2-3 years of failure and we could be subject to many years down the wrong end of the table or even face relegation out of the Football League.
Be great if we could afford 2-3 seasons of failure in order to build and I'm sure it's a decent plan for many other clubs, but for us, I honestly think it would be disastrous.
It would be good if Boddy came out and said as you have said above, that we are planning for the long term. I suppose with the legal action ongoing it is hard to say that and carry it out when we may be homeless next year. However, if they did say this at least everyone would know the plan and that those calling for Robin’s to go would know He has been given time to build.I disagree. We're not on a treadmill desperately needing instant success NOW NOW NOW. It's not critical that we get promoted this season. We only got relegated last time and a few season where we're competitive at the right end of the table will stop the bleeding. This will give time for a thorough re-building of the squad, back-room systems, feeder system, scouts, U23s, academy, including staff, players and systems, all according to one person's vision. You don't design and build a great fortress in a fortnight - you need to invest lots of time in laying the proper foundations. Appointing someone and expecting him to turn around years of decline with an instant promotion is as unrealistic as it is unreasonable. Yes of course I'd like us to go up but it's not a disaster if it doesn't happen this season or next because chances are we'll be using that time to set a plan and a vision for longer term success. I'd expect crowds to pretty much hold up during that time.
It would be good if Boddy came out and said as you have said above, that we are planning for the long term. I suppose with the legal action ongoing it is hard to say that and carry it out when we may be homeless next year. However, if they did say this at least everyone would know the plan and that those calling for Robin’s to go would know He has been given time to build.
I think a lot of that post is fanciful rhetoric. Do you really not expect crowds to decrease the longer we're here? A few seasons in Div 4, flirting with the play offs without promotion, after 50 years of nothing will put off more than it encourages back in my opinion. People just won't see that as a success for this club, our customers are burnt out. Average crowds closer to 6k than 8k will put us firmly back in the pack. And that will undermine everything you've written above.I disagree. We're not on a treadmill desperately needing instant success NOW NOW NOW. It's not critical that we get promoted this season. We only got relegated last time and a few season where we're competitive at the right end of the table will stop the bleeding. This will give time for a thorough re-building of the squad, back-room systems, feeder system, scouts, U23s, academy, including staff, players and systems, all according to one person's vision. You don't design and build a great fortress in a fortnight - you need to invest lots of time in laying the proper foundations. Appointing someone and expecting him to turn around years of decline with an instant promotion is as unrealistic as it is unreasonable. Yes of course I'd like us to go up but it's not a disaster if it doesn't happen this season or next because chances are we'll be using that time to set a plan and a vision for longer term success. I'd expect crowds to pretty much hold up during that time.
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