And why not just a simple blasted slogan that it's about Coventry Homes?
Look, I can accept I'm no great fan of SISU(!) nor of the likes of them, the Glazers... even Joe Lewis at Spurs etc. rocking up at football clubs. In an ideal world then yes, SISU OUT!
NOT however a vague and woolly desire foir fan ownership, when fan ownership fails in this country because the overall setup doesn't support it.
And if SISU are indeed OUT! then I want some reasonable plan that doesn't involve the failures of the past back IN because that makes it simpler for the council. Why not also couple it and demand that the club becomes more central, not a sideshow in the slightest? Why not insist that talk of moving on wrt the Ricoh is shelved? Why not insist the club stop this ballbag nonsense of a new stadium... but also insist that the council should have no desire to move on from a football team, and should be resolving to make the football club central in its football stadium - let's get rid of this talk of urban regeneration and start talking of the social regeneration of a club in its community.
Why not also accept that it can be SISU IN! and Council IN! if all is resolved in a form that is acceptable?
'Ah, but we have Rob S for the council side!' will come the cry.
Well... maybe we do, but it seems we end up with 47 Peoples Fronts of Judea, with mixed messages coming out week by week so I have no bloody clue if I should be nodding sagely as I stroke my beard and smoke my pipe, or if I should be whipping my Mr. Shouty costume out from its dusty corner in the attic!
How do you want people to support a slogan? Why would people support a slogan?
What is the obsession with themes / slogans?
You say you want sisu out (and I assume you agree sisu are bad for ccfc) but then you seem to argue in favour of them staying???
I made a perfectly polite post with a reasonable question. Why do you reply like this?
I made a perfectly polite post with a reasonable question. Why do you reply like this?
I don't in the slightest, but it doesn't fit today's tunnel vision, does it.
It's one thing wanting the current owners to leave... But you've hardly provided a compelling alternative which would see the club exist in any form in the future.
I really would be grateful if you would set out your vision please rather than put downs/insults.
I really would be grateful if you would set out your vision please rather than put downs/insults.
So what's your alternative?
So what's your alternative?
And why not just a simple blasted slogan that it's about Coventry Homes?
Look, I can accept I'm no great fan of SISU(!) nor of the likes of them, the Glazers... even Joe Lewis at Spurs etc. rocking up at football clubs. In an ideal world then yes, SISU OUT!
NOT however a vague and woolly desire foir fan ownership, when fan ownership fails in this country because the overall setup doesn't support it.
And if SISU are indeed OUT! then I want some reasonable plan that doesn't involve the failures of the past back IN because that makes it simpler for the council. Why not also couple it and demand that the club becomes more central, not a sideshow in the slightest? Why not insist that talk of moving on wrt the Ricoh is shelved? Why not insist the club stop this ballbag nonsense of a new stadium... but also insist that the council should have no desire to move on from a football team, and should be resolving to make the football club central in its football stadium - let's get rid of this talk of urban regeneration and start talking of the social regeneration of a club in its community.
Why not also accept that it can be SISU IN! and Council IN! if all is resolved in a form that is acceptable?
'Ah, but we have Rob S for the council side!' will come the cry.
Well... maybe we do, but it seems we end up with 47 Peoples Fronts of Judea, with mixed messages coming out week by week so I have no bloody clue if I should be nodding sagely as I stroke my beard and smoke my pipe, or if I should be whipping my Mr. Shouty costume out from its dusty corner in the attic!
And to add...
The Arsenal Why When thingy worked far better than I feared it would, the petition was a good idea (if stalled now, but I still think it was a decent idea in principle), I don't even mind the sponsoring of Sphinx.
But what gets the attention and more mainstream support is when it's less RAWRRRR!
It's like, do Labour or the Socialist Workers, Tories or UKIP get more support? They may have elements in common, but the extreme factions get written off as mentalists, even if what they say is true!
Michael it looks like your new slogan is "SISU OUT" so why not run with that?
How about finding a solution where CCFC return to the Ricoh and some kind of working relationship is established between the parties, so that CCFC is on a sound financial footing.
So please outline what that solution is when every appeal for sense to prevail has fallen on deaf ears and the 2 sides are battling it out in court
Forgot to say I agree 100% re PFJ. I've said many times before that I argued strongly against kcic being split off from the trust and when the ricoh group started I said that was disappointing too because what was needed was more unity not more groups. Maybe other groups could reply to the kcic mailout saying what they agree/disagree with and what their alternative (realistic, feasible) strategy is.
Forgot to say I agree 100% re PFJ. I've said many times before that I argued strongly against kcic being split off from the trust and when the ricoh group started I said that was disappointing too because what was needed was more unity not more groups. Maybe other groups could reply to the kcic mailout saying what they agree/disagree with and what their alternative (realistic, feasible) strategy is.
Forgot to say I agree 100% re PFJ. I've said many times before that I argued strongly against kcic being split off from the trust and when the ricoh group started I said that was disappointing too because what was needed was more unity not more groups. Maybe other groups could reply to the kcic mailout saying what they agree/disagree with and what their alternative (realistic, feasible) strategy is.
The thing is though if certain groups won't explore all avenues then more groups will always be created to target the people.
If one group targetted all, then there would be no need for so many.
How can there be unity when you will only target SISU and the other group are targetting the council? Why not just have one group to do all?
How about finding a solution where CCFC return to the Ricoh and some kind of working relationship is established between the parties, so that CCFC is on a sound financial footing.
So please outline what that solution is when every appeal for sense to prevail has fallen on deaf ears and the 2 sides are battling it out in court
Let me try:
We encourage the owners of the club to buy all the shares in ACL and negotiate a 125 year long lease.
We expect the owners of the club will place ACL as a separate company under SBS&L and make sure all revenue streams from running the stadium management company counts in favour of the club in the FFP calculation.
We further expect a fair price is paid for the shares and suggest going back to the price agreed between sisu and Higgs in 2012.
When ACL is bought and placed under SBS&L we strongly suggest the club invite the chairman of the Trust to join the board of the club.
In order to have a say at the board decisions we encourage the existing shareholders to pass the voting rights of 30% of the total shareholding to the Trust.
We expect the city council to back this vision and encourage the leaders to speak and act in support so that this club can have a sustainable future at the Ricoh Arena.
[h=2]sisu are not good for our club - well someone's got to say it![/h]
How about this....
Ricoh landlord to actually charge a reasonable rent (open & transparent with none of these hidden costs etc.) & the tenant just pay the fucking bills for a change....
....both parties to agree to this for 5 years. Massive legally water-tight penalties for either side breaking the agreement.
If, at the end of that 5 year period, there is no new stadium built & City are still in 3rd tier (or worse)....Sisu agree to write off all remaining internal debt & sell the club to the SB Trust for £1.
If, at the end of the 5 years, Sisu have amassed zero arrears & City are in the 2nd tier or above, the landlord agrees to sell the remaining leasehold to the tenant for £1.
QED.
Thanks for this which is the kind of alternative I've been hoping people would come up with. The contradiction I'm trying to work through though is if everyone is saying sisu are not good for ccfc/can't be trusted etc then is this alternative a desirable option for people because it leaves sisu firmly in place as ccfc owners but everyone says they are not good for ccfc? Also, the evidence is that the parties can't agree anything and it's being battled out in the courts, so while this alternative would be a great solution in theory is it realistic?