Southport Stabbing (8 Viewers)

[ccfc922]

As per some of the lot on here, hopefully he's all tucked up tonight and protected from the meanies that persecuted him

 

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[ccfc922]

What the fuck are you actually on about

Don't jump in at the wrong time.

 

[ccfc922]

No-one thinks it’s normal

Why is it “convenient”, as you described it?

You tell me.

 

[fernandopartridge]

As per some of the lot on here, hopefully he's all tucked up tonight and protected from the meanies that persecuted him

You're making a complete tit of yourself, what's him being on TV got to do with anything at all?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Don't jump in at the wrong time.

Another Doctor Who reference?

 

[shmmeee]

What you've replied and the people liking it sums it up.

Let's hope no one ever harms the lot of you in your happy clappy world. So naive the lot of you aren't ya, every c**t is so nice and wouldn't hurt a fly.

Fan fiction

If you think there’s good people with violent tendencies and bad people with violent tendencies that’s up to you. I’d rather be suspicious of all of them. Counting like is very weird on this topic and clearly you don’t take it seriously at all.

 

[ccfc922]

You're making a complete tit of yourself, what's him being on TV got to do with anything at all?

 

[shmmeee]

Just found out about this from a few years back. Again the main outcome seemed to be focus on how he got the weapon rather than anything else. Another that didn’t fit the Prevent mandate neatly.

Mother of Plymouth shooter reported him to Prevent anti-terror scheme

Maxine Davison, who was killed with four others, voiced concerns before Jake Davison successfully applied for shotgun licence

www.theguardian.com

 

[shmmeee]

Clearly Amazon need better protection around who buys sonic screwdrivers.

 

[shmmeee]

Lol, you really think if anyones teenage son including my own had this going on in his bedroom they wouldn't know.

Yes? “This going on” being for all we know some beans and a laptop.

 

[ccfc922]

Clearly Amazon need better protection around who buys sonic screwdrivers.

Lol, ironic. Can you imagine how terrible the delivery driver feels? Literally not their fault and will be made the scapegoat?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Just found out about this from a few years back. Again the main outcome seemed to be focus on how he got the weapon rather than anything else. Another that didn’t fit the Prevent mandate neatly.

Mother of Plymouth shooter reported him to Prevent anti-terror scheme

Maxine Davison, who was killed with four others, voiced concerns before Jake Davison successfully applied for shotgun licence

www.theguardian.com

The 22 year old on the terrorist reform programme had his pump action shot returned after previously having It seized by police. Wow!

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Yes? “This going on” being for all we know some beans and a laptop.

Bow and arrows, knives, machetes

 

[shmmeee]

Bow and arrows, knives, machetes

One machete and some arrows hidden in his room. Yes it’s possible. Why are you so desperate to prove his parents were in on it?

 

[shmmeee]

The 22 year old on the terrorist reform programme had his pump action shot returned after previously having It seized by police. Wow!

Because being an Incel wasn’t really a terrorist group i guess, same as being generally obsessed with violence wasn’t.

The point all through this is we have no program for diverting violent young men full stop.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

One machete and some arrows hidden in his room. Yes it’s possible. Why are you so desperate to prove his parents were in on it?

Same as your so desperate to prove they weren't I guess

 

[shmmeee]

Same as your so desperate to prove they weren't I guess

I mean I tend to wait for evidence of a crime before deciding someone is guilty yeah. He had a bedroom way messier than my 14 year olds (who BTW has arrows in her room too perhaps I should call prevent to be safe) and I couldn’t tell you all of the contents. I just think it’s unrealistic. The ricin was literally some beans in a mortar and pestle under his bed I doubt anyone would know what it was. The one thing he’s have had to actually hide was the machete and that wouldn’t have been hard.

 

[rob9872]

Chronology is the order in which events happen.

Explain how the fact he was on Doctor Who years ago any way affected his actions of last year?

Do you not know how the Tardis works?

 

[hill83]

You're making a complete tit of yourself, what's him being on TV got to do with anything at all?

I was on Big Break when I was 15 so keep an eye out for me in the news soon.

 

[ccfc922]

I was on Big Break when I was 15 so keep an eye out for me in the news soon.

Noted

 

[Nick]

I was on Big Break when I was 15 so keep an eye out for me in the news soon.

"Man goes on rampage of snookering people. 27 people left snookered"

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Because being an Incel wasn’t really a terrorist group i guess, same as being generally obsessed with violence wasn’t.

The point all through this is we have no program for diverting violent young men full stop.

Worse we’ve raised a nation of loners especially boys who feel the world is against them

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And people still hammering on about how the political prisoners should be released cause they were right all along even though the guy was a violence geek and not motivated by allah or Islam and he was born in Britain and not an immigrant
Post truth world for sure
Someone will pipe up now if Blair hasn’t let his mum and dad in he wouldn’t have existed and yep if my mum had wheels she’d have been a bike

 

[CovValleyBoy]

That isn't true at all, in fact it's just clichéd nonsense. There are plenty of people out there who don't carry knives or commit knife crime.

Hindley and Brady, and Mary Bell murdered children while the death sentence still existed in the UK.

Of course there are plenty of people who don't carry knives.
Well done for that spectacular observation.
Far too many do & people like you excuse them with your waffle.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Of course there are plenty of people who don't carry knives.
Well done for that spectacular observation.
Far too many do & people like you excuse them with your waffle.

Yep arrest fernando for waffle it’s all his fault and those like him

 

[shmmeee]

Worse we’ve raised a nation of loners especially boys who feel the world is against them

This is interesting on that.

Men, Women and Social Connections

While experiences with loneliness don’t differ much by gender, men seem to turn to their networks less often for connection and emotional support.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Nick]

Yep arrest fernando for waffle it’s all his fault and those like him

Save me twos.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This is interesting on that.

Men, Women and Social Connections

While experiences with loneliness don’t differ much by gender, men seem to turn to their networks less often for connection and emotional support.

www.pewresearch.org

Yeah interesting
I’ve avoided reading about the details given what everyone has written
The other thing that makes me go cold is what would this individual have done with a loaded gun?
It’s not the right time to say this but I’m pretty sure knowing some people involved in anti terrorist work that the professionalism and sheer brilliance of their ongoing work limits these events hugely and it would be good for us to know some of that
Not for now though

 

[CovValleyBoy]

Yep arrest fernando for waffle it’s all his fault and those like him

Where did I say it was his fault or suggest he should be arrested.
I said he was excusing those who carry knives. I find it unfathomable how anybody can, for the purpose of sticking "it" in someone.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Of course there are plenty of people who don't carry knives.
Well done for that spectacular observation.
Far too many do & people like you excuse them with your waffle.

Show me where I have excused what he's done you clown

 

[Evo1883]

Its a really ugly thing with these crimes that certain people use them as a chance to be allowed to say out loud violent fantasies and then go back to saying how much they think violent people should be locked up at the first opportunity. I’m disgusted by these crimes, I’m not spending hours writing fan fiction about violent acts I’d like to enact on them.

I agree with alot of what you've said in this thread but not this .

Should this have been one of your own children the desire to see a violent end to the bloke would have been strong , well for me it would have .
People , including myself do not see a prison sentence as being anywhere near as painful as what the children and the parents went/are going through.. prison is easy , boring but easy (in the UK atleast )

 

[Grendel]

Not really, it's perfectly normal to appear on national TV and commit a mass murder years later.

There was John Cooper aka “the bullseye killer” - murdered and raped several people and only caught as he took home a bendy bully

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There was John Cooper aka “the bullseye killer” - murdered and raped several people and only caught as he took home a bendy bully

Wow really

 

[shmmeee]

I agree with alot of what you've said in this thread but not this .

Should this have been one of your own children the desire to see a violent end to the bloke would have been strong , well for me it would have .
People , including myself do not see a prison sentence as being anywhere near as painful as what the children and the parents went/are going through.. prison is easy , boring but easy (in the UK atleast )

“I think we should have the death penalty”

is one thing, a paragraph long rant about the exact acts of violence you’d like to see is another. And it’s never the people whose children have been killed saying this but internet tough guys desperate to prove how tough they are and attack others for not joining in. Fuck em.

Being an adult in a sane society isn’t not feeling rage it’s not acting on it.

 

[MalcSB]

Its Pete who says his mind wasn’t formed properly at nearly 18 and should be given sympathy

Good argument for not lowering the voting age.