We could have sent them to Rwanda. But for bleeding heart liberal human rights lawyers.“we have cut far too much and need to restore funding if we want things to work again” isn’t an excuse. It’s reality. Ukraine and immigrants is an excuse because it’s got fuck all to do with anything. These are mostly short term one off costs that come from the aid budget not ongoing costs that we need to pay year on year regardless.
Have you tried to get a kid a CAMHS appointment recently? Have you been through the courts recently? I have. The idea that these services can identify and process troubled kids when they can’t do the basics right now is fairytale stuff.
FFS even the immigrants in hotels thing is entirely because we cut processing to the bone so have to keep them here while we process them. If the systems worked that wouldn’t be an issue.
Stop and search would help. Fuck the inevitable protests and claims of discrimination.It definitely needs a knife task force doesn’t it
This has to be a marker in the sand like dunblane was
It’s why the immigration and Islam arguments aren’t helpful
They are for other conversations but not for this
Cooper needs to step up and be counted it’s an opportunity to do something to be proud of
We could have sent them to Rwanda. But for bleeding heart liberal human rights lawyers.
I Starmer is wanting to stop people vexatiously blocking things, he could have a go at that.
Oh, wait a minute. He is a bleeding heart human rights lawyer who may be unemployed in 5 years time. At least he has his Act of Parliament backed special pension to fall back on.
Can’t even be trusted to give their kids breakfast these days. Or toilet training it seems to be claimed.I said I had never carried a knife, and neither had my mates... Let's not get into making shit up again.
As I said, he should have been charged the second time but wasn't. You can go on about agencies like CAHMS all you want, but at that point, it had escalated way above them.
No, ideally, people do their jobs properly. People bringing their kids up properly would be a help, too.
Some laws with more zeal than others.Lawyers don’t write the laws they just make sure they’re applied.
Some laws with more zeal than others.
I hear you in terms of negatively attacking discrimination but it’s important cos not basing stop and search on risk means is less effectiveStop and search would help. Fuck the inevitable protests and claims of discrimination.
Not strictly true those that want us to come out of the echr don’t realise that the protections enshrined affect them as much as those they don’t want it to be used to protectUsually the laws relevant to the cases they’re trying yes. Why does it always end up with a complete disregard for justice and the law on the land?
We could have sent them to Rwanda. But for bleeding heart liberal human rights lawyers.
I Starmer is wanting to stop people vexatiously blocking things, he could have a go at that.
Oh, wait a minute. He is a bleeding heart human rights lawyer who may be unemployed in 5 years time. At least he has his Act of Parliament backed special pension to fall back on.
Not strictly true those that want us to come out of the echr don’t realise that the protections enshrined affect them as much as those they don’t want it to be used to protect
Exactly. Certain sections of the community play the discrimination card, but a risk, almost an actuarial approach, would suggest that they are exactly the community most likely to be carrying knives and also the most likely to be injured or killed by a knife ( as I recall some stats from a wee while ago. If someone can prove im wrong, happy to apologise.I hear you in terms of negatively attacking discrimination but it’s important cos not basing stop and search on risk means is less effective
In my line of work we used to just go after cash businesses as they were pocketing the money of course. But then you are looking at only one sector of the country. Much better to follow analytical modelling as it would be here
Exactly. Certain sections of the community play the discrimination card, but a risk, almost an actuarial approach, would suggest that they are exactly the community most likely to be carrying knives and also the most likely to be injured or killed by a knife ( as I recall some stats from a wee while ago. If someone can prove im wrong, happy to apologise.
The death penalty is in place in every Caribbean country except Dominican Republic and Haiti, both of which abolished it decades before Starmer had anything to do with it.
Small steps is it not worth doing what you can?Didn’t expect this so soon but a good example of free speech online vs safety. I’m not sure what good this would do tbh the internet is very much a genie out of its bottle.
X refuses to remove stabbing video watched by Southport killer
Axel Rudakubana was able to view Australian clip before murdering three young children despite pleas from authoritieswww.ft.com
My mistake, it was the mandatory death penalty for murder in Jamaica.
Racist wanker that he is our keirYou mean Starmer defended four Jamaicans on a death penalty charge? He didn’t change the laws
Racist wanker that he is our keir
Small steps is it not worth doing what you can?
Racism doesn't only work one way.Racist wanker that he is our keir
Racism doesn't only work one way.
I recall being called a white honky by an asian chap at work in the early 70's.
Very trueJust not sure it’s practical. First thing every kid learns is how to circumnavigate internet blocks. We’ve not stopped piracy or porn I’m not sure how we’d get on with violent content.
There’s a reasonable argument for a British social media that doesn’t have US interpretations of free speech. But we’ve seen we can’t control the likes of Twitter and Facebook from here.
If you have paid non refundable fees up front to enable infrastructure to be put in place and then cancel the scheme, isn't it bound to look extortionate on a per capita basis (£179 m each). If you then use that artificial high cost to calculate the total cost of sending the number deported since election (13,500 is the figure I have found Deportations reach five-year high despite concerns of rights groups. I assume the source is good enough).More migrants have been deported in the past 6 months than at any time in the last 7 years.
It's incredible that you complain about the cost of housing migrants etc while simultaneously praising the Rwanda scheme, which cost £715m to send 4 (yes, four) people to Rwanda.
And would have cost around £3 billion to send the same number of people that have been deported in the last 6 months.
It's what was said at the time. If we had said something similar in return, we would have been in deep shit.Isn’t that like being called a black n****r? Seems a bit redundant. I’m not sure anyone claimed racism only works one way.
Well nobody outside of fringe student politics.
That was my point really sarcastically madeIt's what was said at the time. If we had said something similar in return, we would have been in deep shit.
My post was in response to what was probably a bit of sarcasm about Kier NOT being a racist. If you excessively support one ethnicity over another, is that not a form of racism?
Starmer is currently Prime Minister, not a KC taking human rights cases. But old habits die hard.That was my point really sarcastically made
I have a friend who works as an immigration lawyer at the coventry refugee centre
All of her cases involve immigrants
She’s not favouring immigrants in her work over British born people needing help from the refugeee centre it’s her job lol
If you have paid non refundable fees up front to enable infrastructure to be put in place and then cancel the scheme, isn't it bound to look extortionate on a per capita basis (£179 m each). If you then use that artificial high cost to calculate the total cost of sending the number deported since election (13,500 is the figure I have found Deportations reach five-year high despite concerns of rights groups. I assume the source is good enough).
That comes out at @ £2.4 billion.
Im not as easily convinced as most of you.
Starmer is currently Prime Minister, not a KC taking human rights cases. But old habits die hard.
I think it’s as much, if not more, peoples perceptions dying harder but we can argue over a pint on that oneStarmer is currently Prime Minister, not a KC taking human rights cases. But old habits die hard.
If you have paid non refundable fees up front to enable infrastructure to be put in place and then cancel the scheme, isn't it bound to look extortionate on a per capita basis (£179 m each). If you then use that artificial high cost to calculate the total cost of sending the number deported since election (13,500 is the figure I have found Deportations reach five-year high despite concerns of rights groups. I assume the source is good enough).
That comes out at @ £2.4 billion.
Im not as easily convinced as most of you.
And worse claiming it would reduce immigration by having a deterrent something they wouldn’t need to prove if it didn’t ever happenI gave the costs according to the national audit office. It’s more expensive to send to Rwanda than to process here is the headline. It was about virtue signalling not effective policy. The Tories massively increased immigration and hid it by being performatively cruel to a tiny minority of immigrants.
The maths has already been done.
The uncertain financial implications of the UK’s Rwanda policy - Migration Observatory
This commentary examines the financial impacts of the UK’s policy to send some asylum seekers and irregular migrants to Rwanda.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk
It cost approx £41k to house and support an asylum seeker for 12 months in 2023.
Sending 1,000 people to Rwanda would cost £700m per person. Quite the difference I'm sure you'll agree.
Even if you sent 50,000 people, which obviously was never going to happen, it would cost approx £200m per person.
Totally ineffective and absurdly expensive.
Excellent red meat though.
A bit left field this but I just read a book about indigenous peoples living traditionally . One interesting fact that struck me is that the author noted the village communities they lived in did not have prisons, delinquents or mental health problems. I tend to think social workers are a sticking plaster on a gaping wound caused by the way we live, there are many problems, poor diets, materialism, lack of family cohesion, lack of purpose etc. etc."social workers caseload". Another shit excuse.
Maybe it could use the the billions in cash they are getting to get more social workers?
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