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Wonder how many of this board should be deported then?
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shmmeee
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I mean that’s the definition. It’s not just “really bad crimes you planned”
torchomatic
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Spot on. To say it is "spin" is not just disingenuous but highlights the fact you're looking for an "angle".
Diogenes
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Nowhere have I said anything about skin colour. That's on you and you should be ashamed of jumping to the race card. It's exactly what I was talking about in the final paragraph. No nuanced debate with idiots like you around.
Christ, we don't even know if the victims were white- for all I know they could have been other ethnicities and my position wouldn't change regardless of their background.
Had you cared to read my post instead of having a meltdown you would see that I say "a blanket ban isn't a realistic option" So I'm clearly not someone who is saying that certain races shouldn't be allowed in.
interesting how that's your takeaway from what I said though - that's how extreme minds like yours work.
torchomatic
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Most of the current Sky Blue squad, I would have thought. I'm sure they'll get a pass though.
Nick
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I'm not sure what part you are so scared of you think that immigration should be questioned because of it?
Funniest thing is you look on the politics thread and you have people like torch judging everybody based on their school or where they live.
On this thread you have PVA going on about skin colour when nobody mentioned it or said that every immigrant is a killer.
However if you say immigration should be questioned as to integration, what has been done since they came into the country, is there any ideology or hate to the country or females etc then people cry racism.
Yes. He may well have been born in Wales, haaland was born in Leeds but is very much Norwegian. The brothers who carried out the attack were also born in the UK but werent known (or saw themselves) as the English bombers.
To be clear also, being born in the UK doesn't instantly make somebody a British citizen.
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I doubt Kasey Palmer would like the direction of travel of this thread.
You might want to have a read back through GIMOCs posts in here.
torchomatic
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Fuck me. You're obsessed with me and schools. Wish I had a £1 for every time you bring that up.
torchomatic
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Nick
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To say somebody born in the UK instantly makes them a British citizen is incorrect.
Surely as you are obsessed with politics you know this?
I'm not looking for an angle, I'm raising valid points which seem to scare you.
Its weird. There's absolutely no reason why immigration can't be questioned? That can mean processes, checks, conditions, integration etc as to how it happened. If isn't saying every immigrant is a terrorist, far from it. You instantly go straight to "you want to machine gun the boats with brown people in" and "this lad is properly Welsh, nothing to see here".
Its weird. Nearly as much as how you can judge every single person from millions based on a particular thing. (Which you are now trying to accuse me of doing, which I'm not).
Nick
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Hardly obsessed. Just giving you an example of how you seem to be able to judge every single person and their parents based on that.
Diogenes
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The pro immigration folks continue this nasty habit of taking a nuanced position to the extremes and anyone who questions it or raises any slightly uncomfortable points is a nazi extremist who wants to deport all non Whites.
I'm sorry but the issue is way more complicated than that and if all you are capable of is accusing people of being racists without acknowledging that there's an issue then the discussion will bypass you.
If you keep ignoring those who have a nuanced position, then you will end up with the extremists that you have been asking for. They won't sit debating you on Internet forums.
You can keep your head in the sand all you like but the problem is not going to go away anytime soon.
shmmeee
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Yeah it’s the people saying “a dog born in a stable isn’t a horse” who are the sensible centrists here
Nick
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He may well be, I'm just pointing out that just being born in the UK doesn't instantly make somebody a citizen. (Which was said).
torchomatic
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Haha.
Ccfcisparks
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That analogy is completely different as dogs and horses are different species you absolute helmet.
Imagine being a minority on this board reading this utter crap
Sick Boy
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I have a feeling it only applies to certain people.
Sick Boy
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It’s shameful that sort of bollocks just gets left up on here these days.
Nick
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You could link it or quote it? Where something like PVA is saying has been said?
torchomatic
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Apparently, Nick doesn't see it.
torchomatic
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Nick, really it isn't that difficult. This isn't just me. A few have said GIMOCs posts are blatantly racist. You either choose not to see it or can't be arsed to look. Not sure which.
Nick
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I have said can you link or quote from this thread where anybody has said no brown people should be allowed in or that no immigrants can be trusted?
I asked about the mention of skin colour which PVA brought up as well as the "all immigrants" stuff?
I'm not saying it hasn't been said, I'm just asking to link / quote it.
Sick Boy
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The dog in a stable bollocks is a well known racist trope.
Gynnsthetonic
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Well if it a racist trope then its my bad and apologise.
But if an English army general serves in Hong Kong, Germany and Cyprus say and has a child in these countries does that make them Chinese, German and Cypriot ,I'd say no
Ccfcisparks
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So if a black national from Ghana lets say, moves to the UK and has a child the child is ghanian not english in your eyes?
shmmeee
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And so does the British state. But if that general then starts to live in one of those countries full time, then they have the right to register their kid as a citizen.
Which would seem to apply to this lad.
The problem with your statement is where does it end? It gives the feeling that you don’t think anyone with anything but “pure British heritage” is actually British. It’s the sort of thing people say to British Asians for example even if they’ve been here four generations, speak with a brummy accent and eat bacon sandwiches which complaining about the weather in a queue.
rob9872
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I think this needs closing now. It's way off topic and nobody seems capable of being respectful. Cheap Internet points all round.
Can't everyone now just agree the blokes a c**t and get on the Everton thread instead? I assume we're all going tonight.
White, black, brown, yellow or mixed, we're all Cov on here .... and in line with the arguments I was born, in Cov and so were my parents, so stop picking on me being from Warwick & Leamington!
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Can't everyone now just agree the blokes a c**t and get on the Everton thread instead? I assume we're all going tonight.
White, black, brown, yellow or mixed, we're all Cov on here .... and in line with the arguments I was born, in Cov and so were my parents, so stop picking on me being from Warwick & Leamington!
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Sick Boy
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The English football team from the final would have about 3 of the starting 11 eligible - presumably you don’t support them as you don’t believe they’re actually English?
Nick
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Surely it's impossible to say? Like I've said with this story.
Loads of different factors like integration and how people themselves see themselves.
You could have one ghanian family move over and be completely different to another.
Again, colour is irrelevant as it would be the same if they were Romanian or polish.
rob9872
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I remember you counting and raising to 4. Who have you taken out, is there a sneaky Scots skirt wearer?
torchomatic
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And it will remain there without moderation.
Otis
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I have found it incredibly sad.
If the guy was born in the UK, he's British.
As someone has already said, how far back should we go with this? His parents were British, but his grandparents were immigrants, so there lies the problem?
Very disappointed in reading some of the posts on here on this thread.