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Nick

Nick

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rob9872 said:
We're now 60 odd pages in and most of it seems to be arguing about who is the most far right or who is the biggest apologist and blaming eachother for the issues. As always, an argument on here only divides us, changes nothing and gets many worked up.

What can't be denied is that we do need some radical steps taken on immigration and a grown up conversation on all sides at the highest level, with government and senior leaders from all parts, with no name calling, no riotous consequences about how we make things better for everyone.

To deny we have an issue and feeding the constant line of we need immigration is ostrich like behaviour. Good controlled immigration I'm sure everyone accepts.

What we currently have is people weaponising it and hiding behind terms that are racist or race itself or religion or colour or anything else that is divisive.

We've seen locally even in recent months like the lad who killed Keaton get away with basically murder fleeing to his home country, to escape justice. That lad is white, so no ral chart required to be outraged, but we need everyone to come together. It won't happen of course, we'll all go on blaming eachother, there will be more senseless attacks and this thread will reach 100 pages with more rinse and repeat arguments.

Sad, sad times we're living in. I'm glad that I'm not one of the younger generation, but feel for them as this will continue to get worse.
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There's never going to be constructive discussions about immigration and knife crime. Sadly.
 
SBAndy

SBAndy

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rob9872 said:
We're now 60 odd pages in and most of it seems to be arguing about who is the most far right or who is the biggest apologist and blaming eachother for the issues. As always, an argument on here only divides us, changes nothing and gets many worked up.

What can't be denied is that we do need some radical steps taken on immigration and a grown up conversation on all sides at the highest level, with government and senior leaders from all parts, with no name calling, no riotous consequences about how we make things better for everyone.

To deny we have an issue and feeding the constant line of we need immigration is ostrich like behaviour. Good controlled immigration I'm sure everyone accepts.

What we currently have is people weaponising it and hiding behind terms that are racist or race itself or religion or colour or anything else that is divisive.

We've seen locally even in recent months like the lad who killed Keaton get away with basically murder fleeing to his home country, to escape justice. That lad is white, so no ral chart required to be outraged, but we need everyone to come together. It won't happen of course, we'll all go on blaming eachother, there will be more senseless attacks and this thread will reach 100 pages with more rinse and repeat arguments.

Sad, sad times we're living in. I'm glad that I'm not one of the younger generation, but feel for them as this will continue to get worse.
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Yeah but you’re the biggest far right apologist on here.
 
Grendel

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Grendel said:
Still waiting @Ring Of Steel
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tumbleweed GIF
 
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wingy

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Is this the west that has meddled in the middle east so many times that it is so discredited within it's own borders and still does the same thing in the guise of God and Israel?
 
Grendel

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chiefdave

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I can never really get my head around doing this because someone has different beliefs to you.

But I guess you only have to look at social media to see how angry people get about people having different beliefs to them even if it doesn’t impact their day to day life in the slightest.

Not sure how you deal with this problem. Authorities don’t have anywhere near the resources to watch all the people they have flagged up and even then random attacks, rather than something that takes months of planning, must be near impossible to stop. Added bonus that the threat of jail or even death seems to be no deterrent whatsoever.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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chiefdave said:
I can never really get my head around doing this because someone has different beliefs to you.

But I guess you only have to look at social media to see how angry people get about people having different beliefs to them even if it doesn’t impact their day to day life in the slightest.

Not sure how you deal with this problem. Authorities don’t have anywhere near the resources to watch all the people they have flagged up and even then random attacks, rather than something that takes months of planning, must be near impossible to stop. Added bonus that the threat of jail or even death seems to be no deterrent whatsoever.
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This is somewhat different isn’t it.

It’s an extreme religious movement that has a belief system which includes the removal of western civilisation
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
This is somewhat different isn’t it.

It’s an extreme religious movement that has a belief system which includes the removal of western civilisation
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It's terrorism and needs combating as such. Ignoring though that we have many, many more Muslims in this country who live peacefully and disavow the likes of IS.
 
Grendel

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Different to what and in what way
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It’s a movement that has an ideology of destruction - over 1,000 deaths in attacks across Europe in 24 years and an escalation since 2014 with no sign of stopping

The wests decision - especially Merkle - to allow the mass movement of Syrian nationals into Europe was always going to create a powder keg of violence
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
It’s a movement that has an ideology of destruction - over 1,000 deaths in attacks across Europe in 24 years and an escalation since 2014 with no sign of stopping

The wests decision - especially Merkle - to allow the mass movement of Syrian nationals into Europe was always going to create a powder keg of violence
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What is the answer?
 
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wingy

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Grendel said:
It’s a movement that has an ideology of destruction - over 1,000 deaths in attacks across Europe in 24 years and an escalation since 2014 with no sign of stopping

The wests decision - especially Merkle - to allow the mass movement of Syrian nationals into Europe was always going to create a powder keg of violence
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So that's 1a day, how does that compare to in general society, drug stabbers etc?
 
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