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MalcSB

MalcSB

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Sky Blue Pete said:
news.met.police.uk

UPDATE: Death of woman stabbed at Notting Hill Carnival

Three brothers have been charged in connection with the murder of Cher Maximen, who was stabbed at Notting Hill Carnival.
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As I said, I m knew her alleged murder had been arrested. Where are all the court appearances and publicity for the 334 arrests and assaults on emergency service workers?
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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MalcSB said:
Oh dear, you are trying to justify the unjustifiable.
If they had video footage of the rioters, why not for that hotbed of crime known as the Notting Hill Carnival. I’m not really talking about the murders, one of whom has been arrested. More about the nearly 60 assaults on emergency service workers and the 334 arrests.
The motive you describe is one rule for some, and a completely different rule for others.
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Not trying to justify anything. Tbh I assumed you were taking about the stabbings / murders so we’re a bit at crossed purposes here.

Totally agree that those who have assaulted emergency service workers should face stiff punishment. But I don’t think it’s hard to see why the rioters were fast tracked. It was going on day after day with seemingly more planned, handing out a few stiff sentences to people not contesting their guilt made people think twice.

Not sure you can really send a message around stabbings in the same way. That’s already a lengthy custodial sentence and doesn’t seem to put people off.

No idea what the answer is but the threat of 20+ years in prison doesn’t seem to be doing much.
 
MalcSB

MalcSB

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chiefdave said:
Not trying to justify anything. Tbh I assumed you were taking about the stabbings / murders so we’re a bit at crossed purposes here.

Totally agree that those who have assaulted emergency service workers should face stiff punishment. But I don’t think it’s hard to see why the rioters were fast tracked. It was going on day after day with seemingly more planned, handing out a few stiff sentences to people not contesting their guilt made people think twice.

Not sure you can really send a message around stabbings in the same way. That’s already a lengthy custodial sentence and doesn’t seem to put people off.

No idea what the answer is but the threat of 20+ years in prison doesn’t seem to be doing much.
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The thing is that the Notting Hill Carnaval now has a history of these sorts of issues and has probably happened more often than right wing riots. Maybe handing out some stiff sentences pretty rapidly would make people think twice in future.

It really isn’t a good “optic”.

I really don’t know what can be done about knife crown. Stop and search might have helped but seems to be unacceptable. The proliferation of surveillance cameras with facial recognition will perhaps help Identify people, it that is likely to be after the event.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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MalcSB said:
Is that based on one per cell? Double up on occupancy, although I suppose then they would be shanking each other over the remote control.
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It’s not no
All prisons will be at maximum occupancy including cell sharing where cells are not big enough
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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So is it a good thing the riots have stopped or not?
Do those who disagreed with starmer see things a little in a different light?
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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The maximum sentence for incitement to racial hatred is seven years – and official sentencing guidelines say the most serious cases should typically lead to between two and six years in jail.

But come October’s hearing in Birmingham, the sentencing judge will go through quite a complex exercise to decide Connolly’s level of “culpability”.

If the judge concludes that she intended to incite serious violence, she would be in the highest category of offenders. That would mean a starting point for the calculation of at least three years.

The judge will then consider the “harm” caused by her message to “set fire” to hotels. If the judge concludes it endangered life, that would only reinforce the seriousness.

The Crown Prosecution Service says Connolly posted racist messages months before the Southport attacks, as well as after. This is also likely to be a key factor.

The judge will then reduce whatever sentence they provisionally have in mind to take into account Connolly’s admission.

It’s worth bearing in mind what happened to Tyler Kay who reposted Connolly’s words.

The 26-year-old Northampton man received 38 months - and he pleaded guilty as soon as he could, thereby receiving the maximum one third discount.

Given his crime would not have occurred had it not been for Connnolly’s words, and Connolly did not plead guilty at her first hearing, it is hard to see how she could receive a shorter term than him.

However, there may be something exceptional in her personal consequences that, when presented to the court by her lawyer, requires a degree of judicial mercy.
 
Nick

Nick

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Sky Blue Pete said:
The maximum sentence for incitement to racial hatred is seven years – and official sentencing guidelines say the most serious cases should typically lead to between two and six years in jail.

But come October’s hearing in Birmingham, the sentencing judge will go through quite a complex exercise to decide Connolly’s level of “culpability”.

If the judge concludes that she intended to incite serious violence, she would be in the highest category of offenders. That would mean a starting point for the calculation of at least three years.

The judge will then consider the “harm” caused by her message to “set fire” to hotels. If the judge concludes it endangered life, that would only reinforce the seriousness.

The Crown Prosecution Service says Connolly posted racist messages months before the Southport attacks, as well as after. This is also likely to be a key factor.

The judge will then reduce whatever sentence they provisionally have in mind to take into account Connolly’s admission.

It’s worth bearing in mind what happened to Tyler Kay who reposted Connolly’s words.

The 26-year-old Northampton man received 38 months - and he pleaded guilty as soon as he could, thereby receiving the maximum one third discount.

Given his crime would not have occurred had it not been for Connnolly’s words, and Connolly did not plead guilty at her first hearing, it is hard to see how she could receive a shorter term than him.

However, there may be something exceptional in her personal consequences that, when presented to the court by her lawyer, requires a degree of judicial mercy.
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Be interesting to see what that Labour MP gets
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Nick said:
Be interesting to see what that Labour MP gets
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Should be equivalent shouldn’t it
Think people did react and take criminal action following his words
I am very uncomfortable with incitement to violence as a crime. I can’t quite work out how posting something on Facebook means I’m culpable for someone breaking the law
I’m sure someone can explain it to me
 
MalcSB

MalcSB

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Should be equivalent shouldn’t it
Think people did react and take criminal action following his words
I am very uncomfortable with incitement to violence as a crime. I can’t quite work out how posting something on Facebook means I’m culpable for someone breaking the law
I’m sure someone can explain it to me
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Has that not come to court yet?

Unbelievable.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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MalcSB said:
On remand until a pre-trial hearing, not having been tried, convicted and sentenced. One can only assume he will plead guilty.
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That’s what was confusing me surely he’s gonna plead guilty
But maybe not
One can only fast track with guilty pleas and to be fair everyone I’ve seen is bang to rights
 
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wingy

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I'm going to wade in here, I'm glad he stopped things in their tracks as it would just have got totally out of control, the medicine dished out sounds harsh and IMO to severe in many cases and I hope the upshot will be either vast reductions on appeal or common sense that this Is not healthy to the people involved,sure the ringleaders need it but otherwise some tolerance required and six months or suspended sentences for a a couple of years would suffice afaic?
 
torchomatic

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nicksar

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Strong rumours in the MSM that the government are looking at "renting" prison spaces in Estonia to hold those (and others) charged during the riots.
 
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