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Diogenes

Diogenes

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There are, sadly some horrific images making their way around of some of the victims.

Just sickening.
 
Nick

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Diogenes said:
There are, sadly some horrific images making their way around of some of the victims.

Just sickening.
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I saw something earlier and it was fucking horrible. Its not something I can stomach. I can watch a lot of things but if it's children or animals, no.

Saw a video that looks to be the suspect in a green hoodie and police but not sure if it's real.
 
rob9872

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Nick said:
I saw something earlier and it was fucking horrible. Its not something I can stomach. I can watch a lot of things but if it's children or animals, no.

Saw a video that looks to be the suspect in a green hoodie and police but not sure if it's real.
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Was it Brian Clough?
 
rob9872

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xcraigx said:
Who, in that sort of situation would think to whip out their phone to take a few snaps? And to then pop them onto social media? What the fuck.
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Diogenes

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Ccfcisparks said:
Who shares that sort of stuff wtf
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Don't think its being shared with glee, people are afraid that this will get swept under the carpet but plenty of people shouting them down to show respect to the parents - which is where I stand.
xcraigx said:
Who, in that sort of situation would think to whip out their phone to take a few snaps? And to then pop them onto social media? What the fuck.
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This is the age we are in.

I remember the story a couple of years back when someone got stabbed in a cafe I think, and some "youth" was recording selfie videos with the victim bleeding out.

I don't want any part of that society.
 
Nick

Nick

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Diogenes said:
IF the latest is true that it's someone born in the UK, to non UK parents then immigration has played a role in creating some of the conditions for this tragedy.

Clearly, there will be other reasons for him doing this, whether religious, personal, actual mental health episode etc. But, and again stress IF it's true, then the brutal reality is that if his parents werent allowed in then it wouldn't have happened.

We don't know the parents circumstances are - they could have been perfect candidates to come to the UK that would pass all checks apart from a blanket ban which isn't a realistic option.

A national conversation has to take place about who and under what circumstances people are allowed in without both sides hurling racist or woke at each other. I fear it's too late to turn the situation around but it's never too late to at least try to have an honest debate about the issue.
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The police have been very careful about how they have worded things. There's clearly damage limitation to manage the public reaction.

It makes no difference to the poor families and victims right now though. 😔

More will come out over time.
 
SkyBlueDom26

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Nick said:
I saw something earlier and it was fucking horrible. Its not something I can stomach. I can watch a lot of things but if it's children or animals, no.

Saw a video that looks to be the suspect in a green hoodie and police but not sure if it's real.
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There’s a video ITV obtained which shows him pacing around outside the house in a green hoodie then the house getting raided later in the day
 
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PVA

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Diogenes said:
IF the latest is true that it's someone born in the UK, to non UK parents then immigration has played a role in creating some of the conditions for this tragedy.

Clearly, there will be other reasons for him doing this, whether religious, personal, actual mental health episode etc. But, and again stress IF it's true, then the brutal reality is that if his parents werent allowed in then it wouldn't have happened.

We don't know the parents circumstances are - they could have been perfect candidates to come to the UK that would pass all checks apart from a blanket ban which isn't a realistic option.

A national conversation has to take place about who and under what circumstances people are allowed in without both sides hurling racist or woke at each other. I fear it's too late to turn the situation around but it's never too late to at least try to have an honest debate about the issue.
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Fuck sake, knew this would happen.

'this guy was an illegal immigrant who arrived on a small boat last year... Stop the boats immediately and this wouldn't happen!

'actually he was born in Cardiff'

'...Oh.... Well his parents shouldn't have been allowed in and this would never have happened'


So basically no brown people should be allowed in is effectively what you're saying.

You can try and caveat it with your line at the end there about an honest debate without hurling racist around, but some of the stuff in here has been disgusting including that post.
 
rob9872

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I suggested he could be from Rhondda which is where Tom Jones is from, so it's not unusual.
 
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Nick said:
Is it racist to say he was Rwandan? The comments about "being brown" are strangely being brought up by people shouting racism.

I guess more will come out over time however it's not unreasonable to question immigration, is it?
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No it's not racist to say that.

It is racist to say his parents shouldn't have been allowed in the country because their son went on to be a murderer.

The stop the boats crew, unsurprisingly, went all out with the illegal immigrant stuff and when that turned out to be false they've started on his parents now.
 
torchomatic

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Nick said:
Is it racist to say he was Rwandan? The comments about "being brown" are strangely being brought up by people shouting racism.

I guess more will come out over time however it's not unreasonable to question immigration, is it?
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He was born in Wales, so it would be incorrect, not racist.
 
Nick

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PVA said:
No it's not racist to say that.

It is racist to say his parents shouldn't have been allowed in the country because their son went on to be a murderer.

The stop the boats crew, unsurprisingly, went all out with the illegal immigrant stuff and when that turned out to be false they've started on his parents now.
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The post said this though?

"We don't know the parents circumstances are - they could have been perfect candidates to come to the UK that would pass all checks apart from a blanket ban which isn't a realistic option."

You were the one who brought skin colour up too, weird?
 
Nick

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torchomatic said:
He was born in Wales.
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Spin it how you want if it makes you feel more comfortable.

More is bound to come out over time, I still can't see how it isn't a terror offence regardless of his background. He targeted and planned to attack young girls.
 
torchomatic

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Nick said:
Spin it how you want if it makes you feel more comfortable.

More is bound to come out over time, I still can't see how it isn't a terror offence regardless of his background. He targeted and planned to attack young girls.
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Not sure how stating his place of birth is 'spin', it's fact. Where was he born, Nick?
 
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PVA

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Nick said:
The post said this though?

"We don't know the parents circumstances are - they could have been perfect candidates to come to the UK that would pass all checks apart from a blanket ban which isn't a realistic option."

You were the one who brought skin colour up too, weird?
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Exactly, and he says that immigration is partly to blame for this so he's basically insinuating we can't trust any immigrants.

Like I said, they went all in on him being an illegal immigrant and now they're having to double down.
 
Nick

Nick

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PVA said:
Exactly, and he says that immigration is partly to blame for this so he's basically insinuating we can't trust any immigrants.

Like I said, they went all in on him being an illegal immigrant and now they're having to double down.
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You are doing some heavy lifting with it though, aren't you? You are bringing skin colour into it when nobody else has while calling other people racist?

Of course immigration has to be questioned? By no means does that mean no immigrant can be trusted. Its weird.

Questions can be asked about integration / immigration etc. It could well be that his mum and dad changed their name to Dave and Sharon and had a chippy tea every week and integrated. (Obviously tongue in cheek but we don't know). It could be that there's been no integration at all.

By no means does discussing that mean that every immigrant is killer, like you are trying to strangely make out.
 
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torchomatic

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Nick said:
And me saying he's Rwandan is fact, isn't it?

Let's see when more information comes out.
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I don't know as the police haven’t released that, have they?

If he was born in the UK then he is British. His heritage is something else, isn't it?

Nice contradiction there too, Nick.

Still, you're not alone. Screenshot_20240730_075631_X.jpg
 
torchomatic

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shmmeee said:
It makes it born in a stable though, which is the analogy to being born in the UK.

How far back until you’re British in your view? Clearly not one generation. Two? Ten? Fifty?
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This thread has been a real eye-opener for me.
 
torchomatic

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You can't say c**t on here but if you want to spread ethnic hatred, then go right ahead.
 
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