Southport Stabbing (8 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s not a contrarian mind - some people get offended others don’t - who judges what is correct and what isn’t?

I guess if racist views are now above board then crack on.

 

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[PVA]

So if anyone is offended by anything someone puts on here it should be removed?

Not like you to take 2+2 and make 723874.

 

[Sick Boy]

It's pretty much a meme over here about Albanians being drug dealers and it's fact about weed farms and prison numbers?

It doesn't mean every albanian is a criminal, of course not. It doesn't mean every albanian should be arrested on sight.

Let's not pretend it doesn't play a part in people's thoughts or investigations of things. It's human nature.

It's just the same as people's first thought about car washes nowadays will be Eastern Europeans. Same as barbers, nail salons will have a lot of asian people.

It’s the same here for Moroccans but there are a lot of first and second generation Albanians. If you saw them you’d probably think they’re Italian.

 

[Nick]

Thoughts yes, assumptions not so much. Thoughts are human nature, I agree there.

I know full well that there have been Muslim terror attacks, I also know shitloads of Muslims who are wonderful people, and that the ones who do these things are a tiny minority, but also that when they do happen they are horrific. I also know that Nigeria has a fraud problem, but that in the UK Nigerians are performing really well in education, contributing to the economy and are long integrated, therefore I am able to avoid ‘assumptions’ that “Nigerians are predisposed to fraud” when we’re talking about Nigerians in the UK.

I agree that thoughts are just human nature, but when they become racial stereotypes of entire groups the likes of which are going up on here, I don’t agree one bit.

I see these racist stereotypes as a sign of a lack of intelligence to be honest, an inability to see that the actions of some people doesn’t mean that entire races are put in a box. Not all English people are hooligans, not all Muslims are terrorists, not all Nigerians are fraudsters. Thoughts are one thing and understandable, but deal in fact, not ‘assumptions’

So people's assumptions can't be discussed?

I'm pretty sure nobody thinks every Nigerian person is into fraud or every albanian is into drug dealing.

Again, have a look at the Manchester Bombings as an example where it can go too far the other way where people are scared to act on gut feelings.

I'm guessing knife crime is barely tackled because of it in some areas.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

So people's assumptions can't be discussed?

I'm pretty sure nobody thinks every Nigerian person is into fraud or every albanian is into drug dealing.

Again, have a look at the Manchester Bombings as an example where it can go too far the other way where people are scared to act on gut feelings.

I'm guessing knife crime is barely tackled because of it in some areas.

harry krishner literally said on this thread that Nigerians are predisposed to fraud.

Of course assumptions can be discussed, and there is a discussion to be had, that’s obvious- but when they’re beyond assumptions and into the realms of racist stereotypes, in my opinion it’s crossed a line.

 

[PVA]

Judge absolutely nails one of these fuckwits and highlights their hypocrisy:

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Judge absolutely nails one of these fuckwits and highlights their hypocrisy:

I saw this alright. And obviously it does not mean all white English people are crooks and villains.

With that fact in mind, why the fuck is it so hard for people to grasp that not all Muslims are terrorists, not all Nigerians are fraudsters, and why is it ok for people to keeping saying that they are, and assuming that they are?

 

[Nick]

I saw this alright. And obviously it does not mean all white English people are crooks and villains.

With that fact in mind, why the fuck is it so hard for people to grasp that not all Muslims are terrorists, not all Nigerians are fraudsters, and why is it ok for people to keeping saying that they are, and assuming that they are?

Nobody is saying or assuming that every muslim is a terrorist.

People assume that a terrorist is muslim. Rightly or wrongly.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Nobody is saying or assuming that every muslim is a terrorist.

People assume that a terrorist is muslim. Rightly or wrongly.

They have said that Nigerians are predisposed to fraud, clearly in the context of the U.K., and lied that someone else said it when they didn’t, which is what started this, that’s over the line.

 

[shmmeee]

Nobody is saying or assuming that every muslim is a terrorist.

People assume that a terrorist is muslim. Rightly or wrongly.

I think there are quite a few people who do think that way:



I think the problem is that this smaller group gets emboldened by the larger group you’re talking about.

 

[Nick]

They have said that Nigerians are predisposed to fraud, clearly in the context of the U.K., and lied that someone else said it when they didn’t, which is what started this, that’s over the line.

So Albanians and weed farms isn't over the line?

I don't think it is clearly in the context of the UK, rightly or wrongly if you say online fraud then people's first thought would be nigerian scams. I've worked in IT over 20 years, if you wanted to start cancelling everybody who made a link between Nigerians and online scams and fraud then there wouldn't have been many workers. Much the same as "Indian Callcentres trying to hack me".

 

[Nick]

I think there are quite a few people who do think that way:

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I think the problem is that this smaller group gets emboldened by the larger group you’re talking about.

I'd say even though they are thick as fuck, they don't actually think every muslim is a terrorist. They are just racist cunts who don't like them.

You're right, somebody who says their brain links terror attacks to muslim doesn't instantly class them the same as the cunts in the picture. The issue is that people try to make it exactly the same.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

So Albanians and weed farms isn't over the line?

I don't think it is clearly in the context of the UK, rightly or wrongly if you say online fraud then people's first thought would be nigerian scams. I've worked in IT over 20 years, if you wanted to start cancelling everybody who made a link between Nigerians and online scams and fraud then there wouldn't have been many workers. Much the same as "Indian Callcentres trying to hack me".

So you think Harry Krishna was commenting on Nigeria the country as opposed to Nigerians in the U.K., despite the ‘source’ of his comment being articles specifically discussing immigrants in the U.K.

Not much more that can be said with this level of deflection- deliberate or otherwise.

 

[Nick]

So you think Harry Krishna was commenting on Nigeria the country as opposed to Nigerians in the U.K., despite the ‘source’ of his comment being articles specifically discussing immigrants in the U.K.

Not much more that can be said with this level of deflection- deliberate or otherwise.

Again, why is it the Nigerian comment you find offensive as opposed to the Albanian one?


I'd say the image schmeee posted was more vile and disgusting?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Again, why is it the Nigerian comment you find offensive as opposed to the Albanian one?

I don’t like any of them, but when you’re so determined to pretend “he didn’t really mean it that way” when the actual article he put up was specifically discussing the U.K. (I mean, how stupid do you actually have to be to pretend it wasn’t about the U.K.?) and scrambling for an out like this, what’s the point.

 

[Nick]

I don’t like any of them, but when you’re so determined to pretend “he didn’t really mean it that way” when the actual article he put up was specifically discussing the U.K. (I mean, how stupid do you actually have to be to pretend it wasn’t about the U.K.?) and scrambling for an out like this, what’s the point.

To be honest I'm not scrambling.

It would be lying to make out that people didn't automatically stereotype certain things like Nigerians with online scams and that they didn't automatically think that if there is a terrorist attack it would be carried out by "muslims". Rightly or wrongly people will think that.

Of course, when it becomes discrimination and attacking a random mosque (even if it was a muslim terror attack) it's pathetic and braindead.

Stupid? How do some people leave the house? You would have been screwed during the Euros with all of the talk of Albanians being on overtime if England win. Literally nobody assumed that every single Albanian person in the UK is drug dealing. If somebody mentions a Nigerian online scam, nobody thinks that every Nigerian is a scammer.

The stupidity points are when somebody just doesn't like somebody based on their ethnicity or when you have somebody trying their best to stretch things out and can't tell the difference between people thinking a terrorist is a muslim or a muslim is a terrorist.

Why is it OK for people to assume the Southport stabber is Christian because of his parents place of birth but not that he might be muslim because of what he carried out and discuss it? The issue is where you have the cunts jump on it and start attacking random mosques or throwing "you're racist because you thought that" around.

 

[Harry Krishner]

Hello!

I was actually requoting from memory the gist of Trevor Phillips' C4 documentary and associated report that certain ethnic groups are associated with certain types of crime. It struck me as an incredibly honest thing to say, which at the time - as now, could not be said by a white person. I don't recall the exact wording but think it did refer to crime within the UK. He also said the same about economic activity (irish builders, Indian shop keepers etc.), but I'm fucked if I'm going to start looking for page numbers for a very minor Internet squabble.

PS: do any of you characters have jobs or spend time in pursuits other than bickering on the Internet?

 

[Nick]

The little girl in London is an Australian on holiday as well FFS.

Its awful.

 

[rob9872]

The little girl in London is an Australian on holiday as well FFS.

Its awful.

Was sending the convicts to Australia a bit like the Rwandan project now? Give it a generation and Rwanda will be beating us at cricket!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The little girl in London is an Australian on holiday as well FFS.

Its awful.

So it was random wtaf

 

[Nick]

So it was random wtaf

Yeah, it seems like it was a truly random attack on a little girl. Fucking horrible.

 

[Sick Boy]

Hello!

I was actually requoting from memory the gist of Trevor Phillips' C4 documentary and associated report that certain ethnic groups are associated with certain types of crime. It struck me as an incredibly honest thing to say, which at the time - as now, could not be said by a white person. I don't recall the exact wording but think it did refer to crime within the UK. He also said the same about economic activity (irish builders, Indian shop keepers etc.), but I'm fucked if I'm going to start looking for page numbers for a very minor Internet squabble.

PS: do any of you characters have jobs or spend time in pursuits other than bickering on the Internet?

I have Irish parents and am shite at DIY.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah, it seems like it was a truly random attack on a little girl. Fucking horrible.

Even more bizarre
Just madness
Don’t know the answer to this knife madness

 

[Nick]

Even more bizarre
Just madness
Don’t know the answer to this knife madness

Increase stop and search.
Increase the sentence for carrying one.

I know the riots were wrong but should people pushing a wheelie bin at police be getting sent down for longer than somebody carrying a knife?

 

[rob9872]

I have Irish parents and am shite at DIY.

Bollocks, you're definitely a wanker

 

[PVA]

This is appalling from the DM

 

[Nick]

This is appalling from the DM

If that's the screenshot then it's shocking. The guy who saved them should be in his own articles praising him.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Increase stop and search.
Increase the sentence for carrying one.

I know the riots were wrong but should people pushing a wheelie bin at police be getting sent down for longer than somebody carrying a knife?

Is it not a 5 year mandatory sentence?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hello!

I was actually requoting from memory the gist of Trevor Phillips' C4 documentary and associated report that certain ethnic groups are associated with certain types of crime. It struck me as an incredibly honest thing to say, which at the time - as now, could not be said by a white person. I don't recall the exact wording but think it did refer to crime within the UK. He also said the same about economic activity (irish builders, Indian shop keepers etc.), but I'm fucked if I'm going to start looking for page numbers for a very minor Internet squabble.

PS: do any of you characters have jobs or spend time in pursuits other than bickering on the Internet?

I’m on holiday for a few weeks as it happens.

 

[Nick]

Is it not a 5 year mandatory sentence?

Not in the slightest

Man jailed after being caught with knife twice in a month

Round-up of cases heard at Coventry Magistrates' Court

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Man jailed after charging at people in knife rampage at City Arcade

Mohammed Kashin had to be 'forced back' by passers-by during his rampage at City Arcade

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Man caught with knife on city street sent to prison

Round-up of cases at Coventry Magistrates' Court

www.coventrytelegraph.net

To put it into perspective, and 18 year old got more for completely missing police with a brick.

Don't get me wrong, he still needed to be punished but it's more than the other sentence is fuck all.

 

[Grendel]

If that's the screenshot then it's shocking. The guy who saved them should be in his own articles praising him.

Who knows

Girl, 11, stabbed in Leicester Square is an Australian on holiday

The victim, said to need plastic surgery, was allegedly put in a headlock by Ioan Pintaru, 32, who is accused of attacking her before being restrained by members of the public.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Thoughts yes, assumptions not so much. Thoughts are human nature, I agree there.

I know full well that there have been Muslim terror attacks, I also know shitloads of Muslims who are wonderful people, and that the ones who do these things are a tiny minority, but also that when they do happen they are horrific. I also know that Nigeria has a fraud problem, but that in the UK Nigerians are performing really well in education, contributing to the economy and are long integrated, therefore I am able to avoid ‘assumptions’ that “Nigerians are predisposed to fraud” when we’re talking about Nigerians in the UK.

I agree that thoughts are just human nature, but when they become racial stereotypes of entire groups the likes of which are going up on here, I don’t agree one bit.

I see these racist stereotypes as a sign of a lack of intelligence to be honest, an inability to see that the actions of some people doesn’t mean that entire races are put in a box. Not all English people are hooligans, not all Muslims are terrorists, not all Nigerians are fraudsters. Thoughts are one thing and understandable, but deal in fact, not ‘assumptions’

You know " shit loads of Muslims....."
Of course you do. I know loads too.

 

[tisza]

Is it not a 5 year mandatory sentence?

2023 about 30 % end with just cautions according to Home Office. Immediate custodial sentences fallen as low 30% - average of 7.8 months.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Terrorists have common strategies regardless of their ideology. If your first thought in reaction to Southport was ‘he’s a Muslim’, maybe it’s you that needs to do some introspection as well.

My first thought was that. Just the same as the Manchester bombing , the Borough Market attacks , the London Underground attacks . The list goes on.
After a while it's the first thing you automatically assume.

If the real IRA exploded a device today in central London on a bus and killed dozens I think most people would assume it was probably a radical Muslim .
If you don't understand why they'd jump to that conclusion then you're missing something topside.

 

[Sick Boy]

2023 about 30 % end with just cautions according to Home Office. Immediate custodial sentences fallen as low 30% - average of 7.8 months.

That’s an actual disgrace.