Grendel
Well-Known Member
Very sensible post - can't argue with any of that.
Still sounds like Tisdale to me, and he can work on a shoestring, too. I think SISU could find a bit of small change from the player sales to find the meagre compensation he'd cost. That or someone who has done well in Scotland? The players and the league might be shite, but the managers know their onions.
I'd say Gary Johnson, but the man simply only does good work in The West Country! I'm mates with a hardcore Yeovil fan, and he thought they were as good as down and Johnson would only make things worse when he went back, given his terrible time at Northampton. Yet within a few weeks he had them playing as good stuff as when he took them to the playoffs last time he was there. This is a team on a BSP budget, looking doomed to relegation, and suddenly they look a top L1 side! That's the sort of manager we need. I'd say John Still of Dagenham for the quite incredible job he's done in taking Dagenham into the league, even getting them into L1 for a season, but I can't see the guy re-locating from London. He's out scouting parks football every night, he wouldn't be able to do that up here, he wouldn't have the contacts.
So..our first two games are against two of the best managers in the country at getting the best out of rubbish players? It's going to be all about organisation, guts and who wants it the most. If we give as much as both those teams and are as well organised, of course, we should win 8 times out of 10... crap.
Fair point but who can we get better then him please someone tell me because right now all the Thorn outters simple haven't said one name who is realistic.
To many questions nobody can answer.
I just want to see us win. Up to now that hasn't been delivered. If you are happy finding excuses and putting up with (possibly) another SHIT season under Thorn, using the cost of wages as one of the reasons to keep him, that's fine. Odd, but fine. I want more.
I want just like you but lets be realistic, the owners haven't spent any money on players, all of them where free. Apparently, the players we have brought in are all on less wages then the ones that have gone out and if they sack Thorn then they will have to spend money to sack him. He has spent i think 800,000 since taking charge on Cody McDonald and that money came from the sale of Ben Turner so let him spend some money on player instead of getting loans and freebies and then we can see how good a manager he is. I haven't heard a pundit say he should be sacked, all I have ever heard is that they feel sorry for Thorn and they know more then any of us the pressure of running a club with no cash.
I want just like you but lets be realistic, the owners haven't spent any money on players, all of them where free. Apparently, the players we have brought in are all on less wages then the ones that have gone out and if they sack Thorn then they will have to spend money to sack him. He has spent i think 800,000 since taking charge on Cody McDonald and that money came from the sale of Ben Turner so let him spend some money on player instead of getting loans and freebies and then we can see how good a manager he is. I haven't heard a pundit say he should be sacked, all I have ever heard is that they feel sorry for Thorn and they know more then any of us the pressure of running a club with no cash.
I'm not a "Thorn-outer", just a realist who wants his team to do as well as possible, and I wasn't answering you specifically, but..see above!
I can't see Gary Johnson coming to Coventry as we have been linked with us many times and each time has said no. Plus Coventry is a team that is renown for sacking managers and look were all the managers have gone after Coventry, Boothroyd went to Northampton, Dowie is a commentator, OK Coleman is manager of Wales but I think he'll struggle there, Adams at Port Vale, Reid has failed since leaving Sunderland. We don't have a good record of successful managers who have left the club and gone to better clubs.
I can't see Gary Johnson coming to Coventry as we have been linked with us many times and each time has said no. Plus Coventry is a team that is renown for sacking managers and look were all the managers have gone after Coventry, Boothroyd went to Northampton, Dowie is a commentator, OK Coleman is manager of Wales but I think he'll struggle there, Adams at Port Vale, Reid has failed since leaving Sunderland. We don't have a good record of successful managers who have left the club and gone to better clubs.
One thing that is a pattern is a lot of the people who dont want thorn sacked and do want him to stay are the hardcore sisu outters!!
I heard a couple question his tactics and decisions last season....
Surely if he was that good a manager / scout he could build a competitive squad without spending and get the best out of them?
He brought in four players last year, we lost over 10. Hreiderson got injuried after two games, Nimely and Norwood will both play in the championship next year and Cody was the other. For what he signed last year, it wasn't that bad. Who he tried to sign this year James Collins but SISU hadn't filed the accounts by then. The rest of his signing haven't played a competitive game yet so his signings as you say haven't been terrible. Although I'm guessing people will say well we should be signing Lionel Messi and then when he plays crap for Coventry people will then say Thorn hasn't got a clue how to spot a good player.
He brought in four players last year, we lost over 10. Hreiderson got injuried after two games, Nimely and Norwood will both play in the championship next year and Cody was the other. For what he signed last year, it wasn't that bad. Who he tried to sign this year James Collins but SISU hadn't filed the accounts by then. The rest of his signing haven't played a competitive game yet so his signings as you say haven't been terrible. Although I'm guessing people will say well we should be signing Lionel Messi and then when he plays crap for Coventry people will then say Thorn hasn't got a clue how to spot a good player.
Also I don't think the squad was good enough anyway last year so tactics really didn't matter i think the writing was on the wall from the start of the season.
Also I don't think the squad was good enough anyway last year so tactics really didn't matter i think the writing was on the wall from the start of the season.
I apologise for disagreeing with you again, but of course tactics mattered! Shine a light!
Thorn is on borrowed time. Look at the venom on here just for a friendly. Imagine a similar score at Yeovil - then managerial reality will set in.
I know, weird isn't it??
Yes I agree, I fitted into that category until this summer. I felt in thorn we finally potentially had a very good young manager. I thought we could step away from the cycle of not giving managers enough time and try and get some stability that our club badly needs.
I was judging thorn by his first ten games. The transformation I saw and the players he had previously recommended.
Then sisu sold or released our best players. Which I understood, however what I struggled with was they were not replaced with freebies or cheaper options.
Hence our relegation and my dislike of SISU. Also my inability to judge AT on that season.
This season they may have learnt their lessons. We have nearly replaced what we have lost. We are two short.
My hate for sisu has gone down a notch and I am setting targets in my head for AT.
I apologise for disagreeing with you again, but of course tactics mattered! Shine a light!
Why is it weird?
Although I'm guessing people will say well we should be signing Lionel Messi and then when he plays crap for Coventry people will then say Thorn hasn't got a clue how to spot a good player.
Yes tactics do matter but so does quality and if you haven't got the quality then tactics will only get you so far.
I understand people have got their own views but I you add everything up all the teams we played last season who said we were a tough team to play but couldn't score against the team who we played and we were destroyed by then i think that Thorns tactics weren't as bad. Weren't perfect but weren't terrible.
Yes tactics do matter but so does quality and if you haven't got the quality then tactics will only get you so far.
I understand people have got their own views but I you add everything up all the teams we played last season who said we were a tough team to play but couldn't score against the team who we played and we were destroyed by then i think that Thorns tactics weren't as bad. Weren't perfect but weren't terrible.
Thorn is on borrowed time. Look at the venom on here just for a friendly. Imagine a similar score at Yeovil - then managerial reality will set in.
That's because our tactic was to pass the ball to each other within our own half and then...
Nope, that was it, pass it to each other in our own half.
Can you imagine what it would have been like for Wee Gordon if the 'net had been big when the Grimsby game happened?
Doesn't that tell you that the strikers weren't making the right moves to receive the ball higher up the pitch. Come on lets talk tactics. If all we did was pass then surely we should have tired teams down and then been able to find that killer pass. And because Sammy Clingan was always passing it sideways that makes Thorn a bad manager because Clingan couldn't play it forward. Look at the bench and what has he got on there to change a game. Every manager makes tactical mistake look at United against City at Old Trafford. Coventry haven't got the quality that most teams in the Championship have that why they are where they are.
If you havent got the quality you should have the tactics and game plan to make up for it!
Yes teams said we were tough, just after they had beaten us....
Thorns tactics at forest and leicester were shocking to name a couple.
Leicester were favorites to go up at the start of the season, they had a quality and majorly underachieved last year as did Forest. But put both team sheets next to each other and I can pretty much say at least 9 of their players could walk into Coventrys team.
But lets cross this bridge when the season starts give Thorn a break. I mean if we beat Accrington Stanley on Saturday are you all going to talk about how great Thorn is then and how we can win the League.
I'm calling WUM
Using 'they' to describe Coventry City rather than 'us'.
Contradicted themselves several times.
Mentioned Man Utd more than once.
Good work though.
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