alexccfc99
Well-Known Member
Well to lose one now would be disastrous so let’s hope the thought doesn’t even enter the clubs head
Think ccfc tried but it would need to be significant sale
Come on - you know that doesn’t work in the championship long term. I’m not asking for a top 6 budget.
appetite is matching the fans - we’ve sold 13.5k season tickets. We’ve high merchandise sales. We’ve done our bit, how about the owners do their Bit?
3 loans and 1 free transfer is not an appetite. I’ve supported the model somewhat, but it’s up to them to put a product on the pitch.
fisher once said “our model wouldn’t work in the championship” - what are we doing to adapt?
Bottom 7 budget this year rather than bottom 4. Suppose that’s incremental improvement and yes the meeting had a feel of it’s so unfair and we are doing our best. In a sense I understand that. Without significant investment that is the reality. Unfortunately due to that the club will need to plan for quite a drop off in season ticket numbers in my opinion but let’s see what the season brings and who the defensive replacement is going to be for Dom
That’s fine. But what I’m saying is previously Fisher has effectively said “if you want better players, You need to turn up and spend your money”Reference the sale of ST's - it has been previously reported, the Club will only get 1/23rd of that after tonights game. Until then they have cash flowed the expenses by some means
The "high value" mechandise sales probably amounts to 10>15% after VAT for the Club
More I look back the more I think we should have cashed in on Hamer or COH if I am being honest, at their peak value and would have gave MR more movement in the transfer market
I do know that makes things very difficultCome on - you know that doesn’t work in the championship long term. I’m not asking for a top 6 budget.
appetite is matching the fans - we’ve sold 13.5k season tickets. We’ve high merchandise sales. We’ve done our bit, how about the owners do their Bit?
3 loans and 1 free transfer is not an appetite. I’ve supported the model somewhat, but it’s up to them to put a product on the pitch.
fisher once said “our model wouldn’t work in the championship” - what are we doing to adapt?
More I look back the more I think we should have cashed in on Hamer or COH if I am being honest, at their peak value and would have gave MR more movement in the transfer market
I do know that makes things very difficult
I was disappointed and frustrated at the supporters group discussion
Been trying to work out what it was
Thought it was a bit crass to take our questions and deliver a club update. Felt like they were saying something and something not nice to the supporters forum
Especially as they took our questions and answered them outside of the discussion
It’s not an in the know thing it’s a little disingenuous
Then there was a bit of us and them which is ok but it was more than that with one group not asking questions but just ranting in the same way as some on here do
We got some questions answered which was good on club not being actively for sale
Whether season ticket funds are received up front or as each home game takes place and about a new pitch
As a group we just wasted the opportunity to push certain areas of questions
Oh well
Hope u got that tin hat on bawtry, i sense some flak coming ur way on the Vik comment.
DB confirmed last night that’s it’s a combination of the two. He may not have understood the question or heard it lets see what clarity he gives when we agree the notesReference the sale of ST's - it has been previously reported, the Club will only get 1/23rd of that after tonights game. Until then they have cash flowed the expenses by some means
The "high value" mechandise sales probably amounts to 10>15% after VAT for the Club
Hope u got that tin hat on bawtry, i sense some flak coming ur way on the Vik comment.
Wouldn’t be surprised the timing would be awful and possibly make a replacement/s not possible.Thanks for the update SBP
I normally support Boddy but agree with your comment regarding the timing of the club update on the offal and disingenuous to the supporters group discussion. Not great timing !
I really sense some loss of momentum and frustration behind the scenes. Going to be am interesting few weeks.
A couple of wins are needed to lift spirits and get COH fit and back in the team
Going to be a nervous 36 hours on any outgoings. I fear Gyokores will be gone tomorrow. Replacements lined up for him and Hyam i understand.
Worth having the forum then??It's not really an improvement though is it, or rather it's an improvement by default. Bonuses for players and management staff as well as increases for Robins, Adi, Hamer, Godden, O'Hare, Allen and Hyam who has now left. The contracts of Hamer and O'Hare are also apparently unsustainable.
The improvement is essentially just inflation catalysed by remaining in this division. Something the club has now admitted it can't afford to do.
Hope u got that tin hat on bawtry, i sense some flak coming ur way on the Vik comment.
Clear statement that the club and sisu have not said they are up for sale, the reality is of course sisu would be willing to listen to offers. As others have said given the economic reality why would someone pay a large amount.Are we actually for sale, just say Mike Ashley made a £10 bid for the club and offered Wasps £10m for the stadium, is that reasonable?
Worth having the forum then??
Although I disagree as we finished 12th with a playing budget at about 20th we now have one looking to finish 16th
Not very exciting but one could argue incremental progress. Think that’s the nail on the head for why I’m feeling down hearted today about yesterday.
Get the bunting out lads we’re aiming for 16th ffs
Nothing to disagree with there reallyNo because unsurprisingly it sounded like a car crash, as I suspected it was going to be.
As it stands the increase in wage budget isn't necessarily a positive. Not while there are still multiple players on the books that are still here on a permanent basis because seemingly no other club wants them.
Wages are now around 100% of turnover, the club has serious cashflow issues that has just about been bridged, at least for now, through being forced to sell an asset, transfers instalments are due, and there's the EFL loan and operational costs to cover. It's a dire situation to be in without external investment and you haven't received one answer on how the club plan to resolve it.
The increase in wages has in part caused the club to hit a ceiling because the availability of funds is now non-existant - highlighting that it simply can't afford to compete in this decision under the current model under which it operates. The incremental progress has come to a grinding halt and if anything we're far more likely to regress this season.
And this is why we need to know what their plan is. Their model doesn’t work - how are we supposed to sustain a championship football club?Nothing to disagree with there really
And this is why we need to know what their plan is. Their model doesn’t work - how are we supposed to sustain a championship football club?
they don’t have the capital, so maybe it’s “top of the cycle” time
This is what I talk about when I talk about their appetite
under SISU, our ambition is effectively aspire to be Rotherham
Wouldn’t be surprised the timing would be awful and possibly make a replacement/s not possible.
You can only sell if a buyer is willing to pay what you expect to receive
Real life isn’t football manager life and most of us, if not already, will start to realise that when you haven’t got enough money coming in you have to reduce what you spend.
There are no magic answers and we will not and can’t compete with teams who have parachute payments or owners willing to give money without expecting it back.
Nah £100m before they even answer the phoneAre we actually for sale, just say Mike Ashley made a £10 bid for the club and offered Wasps £10m for the stadium, is that reasonable?
And this is why we need to know what their plan is. Their model doesn’t work - how are we supposed to sustain a championship football club?
they don’t have the capital, so maybe it’s “top of the cycle” time
This is what I talk about when I talk about their appetite
under SISU, our ambition is effectively aspire to be Rotherham
Pardon my ignorance but how much of that debt or historic debt was sorted in our administration or was it sorted.its the debt in SBS and L so the group debt is at something just over £50 million
Thanks for the update SBP
I normally support Boddy but agree with your comment regarding the timing of the club update on the offal and disingenuous to the supporters group discussion. Not great timing !
I really sense some loss of momentum and frustration behind the scenes. Going to be am interesting few weeks.
A couple of wins are needed to lift spirits and get COH fit and back in the team
Going to be a nervous 36 hours on any outgoings. I fear Gyokores will be gone tomorrow. Replacements lined up for him and Hyam i understand.
We’d all like to see a few more million invested but where would the money come from?Come on - you know that doesn’t work in the championship long term. I’m not asking for a top 6 budget.
appetite is matching the fans - we’ve sold 13.5k season tickets. We’ve high merchandise sales. We’ve done our bit, how about the owners do their Bit?
3 loans and 1 free transfer is not an appetite. I’ve supported the model somewhat, but it’s up to them to put a product on the pitch.
fisher once said “our model wouldn’t work in the championship” - what are we doing to adapt?
We’d all like to see a few more million invested but where would the money come from?
Pardon my ignorance but how much of that debt or historic debt was sorted in our administration or was it sorted.
Have we really amassed a massive £50million debt since the last administration
When the admin come surely the debt was cleared as a (new)company took us over.My understanding as a layman like youself any debt would be from then.Feel sure that great guy OSB 58 will clear that up later
No because unsurprisingly it sounded like a car crash, as I suspected it was going to be.
As it stands the increase in wage budget isn't necessarily a positive. Not while there are still multiple players on the books that are still here on a permanent basis because seemingly no other club wants them.
Wages are now around 100% of turnover, the club has serious cashflow issues that has just about been bridged, at least for now, through being forced to sell an asset, transfers instalments are due, and there's the EFL loan and operational costs to cover. It's a dire situation to be in without external investment and you haven't received one answer on how the club plan to resolve it.
The increase in wages has in part caused the club to hit a ceiling because the availability of funds is now non-existant - highlighting that it simply can't afford to compete in this decision under the current model. The incremental progress has come to a grinding halt and if anything we're far more likely to regress this season.
The model is to sell players to fund ongoing improvement, we all know this. You don't have to like it as we all don't but its an unescapable fact of where we are. The club may have the odd flirtation with playoffs but if the club self finances through the development and sale of players and bobs around 14th in the league Sisu will be quite happy.
The club's core priority has always been to survive in this division. I think Boddy may have actually slipped up and alluded to this last season in one of the forums.
The 'incremental progression' narrative is nothing more than a soundbite really and is impossible to achieve without some semblance of investment into the playing squad.
But that’s just it. Surviving in this league on our model isn’t sustainable. It’s time they sold up. This is our ceiling whilst the model is the same.We’d all like to see a few more million invested but where would the money come from?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?