Match Thread Supporter's Meeting with Doug King Match Thread (11 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

He stated that the standard of coaching wasn’t good enough, I was in the room and could see that he thought he’d fucked up with the way he answered that question and then backtracked.

Really wouldn’t surprise me to see a few of them out the door in the next couple of weeks.


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Just seen this , well I don't know what to say that's poor really .. did he throw Sheila under the bus too ?

 

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[Sky Blue Goblin]

hamer made it in the prem. he was one of their only good players

So again, how many of our players will make it in the prem?

Spending 40 mill you should hope a few could/would

I could see Wright and Milan 100%. Hard to tell on the rest as either still developing or seem to have serious flaws in there game which we have failed to improve on

 

[skybluecam]

again

we’ve spent 40mill and you can’t name one player who could make it in the prem

speaks volumes

Haji Wright

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

I wish King had just been honest and just said the results have not been good enough in his opinion.

He did sort of say that

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

again

we’ve spent 40mill and you can’t name one player who could make it in the prem

speaks volumes

Sorry just posted my answer. It would be Milan and Haji. The rest I think could with coaching to get rid of issues in their games.

On Wright wasn’t he a target for if we went up as think he was invited to Wembley by the club

 

[GIMOC]

I think tonight really showed that there is an awful lot that goes on behind the scenes of a football club that usually never sees the light of day.

My takeaways from tonight:

Doug King backed “the team” of Mark and Ady, and was basically acting as marriage councillor when they fell out for whatever reason, seemingly beginning after the Wolves game?. Ultimately didnt work in keeping them together and so backed the manager.

Robins was the main proponent of the flat coaching structure which appears behind the scenes has not gone down well with players and isnt the elite structure that DK wants in place, but he went along with it initially

Robins was effectively told to sort it out and recruit a head coach to work underneath him but above the other coaches (i think this is the bit that needs the most clarity) but couldnt or didnt put anyone infront of king (i suspect here that Marks stubbornness meant he didnt want anyone)

I think the Chris Ramsey thing came too little too late, maybe Robins grew nervous after the poor start and then tried to 180 but by then the conversations or thoughts about sacking him had started and so they werent going to commit at that point to a new person into the coaching set up.

If Robins & Viveash were still together and on good terms and poor start happened, they wouldnt have been sacked because Doug trusted them both

But Robins and new coaches on their own werent trusted to turn it around.

The singular visions and expectations of this season was to clearly start strong and really have a go of it. They believe its the strongest squad we’ve ever had and that Robins and this coaching set up were at risk of squandering it.

On the face of it, it’s possible to see how all of that is true.

and people don’t believe stuff comes out the club makes me laugh

they are all human in the end

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

He did sort of say that

Yeah he did say that to be fair

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

He did a great job of telling us how fantastic a manager Mark Robins had been and that he didn't really have much option but to throw him under a bus, for the benefit of the club.

Well, MR and AV specifically…

The fans had the right instincts, that is the coaching setup not being good enough when compared to AV. What they didn’t know is that it was MR’s doing and therefore he is accountable.

If the coaching setup isn’t good enough and there’s a talented ‘deck’ of players, that undermines the manager too.

 

[larry_david]

hamer made it in the prem. he was one of their only good players

So again, how many of our players will make it in the prem?

Spending 40 mill you should hope a few could/would

We were beating a spurs team up until 89th min a few months ago
We beat wolves at their place last season
We came back to draw 3-3 against man utd.

This is all in our current shite form. These players can absolutely step up and do more and they should be. If MR couldn't motivate them to do so regularly then someone else has to.

The fact is that the potential this squad has is huge and they have underperformed and DK has told us his reasoning tonight for why that is. Time will tell if he's right or not

 

[robbiekeane]

best fucking match thread in years

 

[GIMOC]

Sorry just posted my answer. It would be Milan and Haji. The rest I think could with coaching to get rid of issues in their games.

On Wright wasn’t he a target for if we went up as think he was invited to Wembley by the club

Lol

the same wright who gets pelters one week because he doesn’t look interested

I agree wright could step up but too inconsistent

Milan based on last season yes. This season no

so out of 40 mill spent we have two players with a combined total of 10 mill

so that’s 30 mill spunked up the wall

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I think tonight really showed that there is an awful lot that goes on behind the scenes of a football club that usually never sees the light of day.

My takeaways from tonight:

Doug King backed “the team” of Mark and Ady, and was basically acting as marriage councillor when they fell out for whatever reason, seemingly beginning after the Wolves game?. Ultimately didnt work in keeping them together and so backed the manager.

Robins was the main proponent of the flat coaching structure which appears behind the scenes has not gone down well with players and isnt the elite structure that DK wants in place, but he went along with it initially

Robins was effectively told to sort it out and recruit a head coach to work underneath him but above the other coaches (i think this is the bit that needs the most clarity) but couldnt or didnt put anyone infront of king (i suspect here that Marks stubbornness meant he didnt want anyone)

I think the Chris Ramsey thing came too little too late, maybe Robins grew nervous after the poor start and then tried to 180 but by then the conversations or thoughts about sacking him had started and so they werent going to commit at that point to a new person into the coaching set up.

If Robins & Viveash were still together and on good terms and poor start happened, they wouldnt have been sacked because Doug trusted them both

But Robins and new coaches on their own werent trusted to turn it around.

The singular visions and expectations of this season was to clearly start strong and really have a go of it. They believe its the strongest squad we’ve ever had and that Robins and this coaching set up were at risk of squandering it.

On the face of it, its possible to see how all of that is true.

Fair take on it all

 

[AJB1983]

I think tonight really showed that there is an awful lot that goes on behind the scenes of a football club that usually never sees the light of day.

My takeaways from tonight:

Doug King backed “the team” of Mark and Ady, and was basically acting as marriage councillor when they fell out for whatever reason, seemingly beginning after the Wolves game?. Ultimately didnt work in keeping them together and so backed the manager.

Robins was the main proponent of the flat coaching structure which appears behind the scenes has not gone down well with players and isnt the elite structure that DK wants in place, but he went along with it initially

Robins was effectively told to sort it out and recruit a head coach to work underneath him but above the other coaches (i think this is the bit that needs the most clarity) but couldnt or didnt put anyone infront of king (i suspect here that Marks stubbornness meant he didnt want anyone)

I think the Chris Ramsey thing came too little too late, maybe Robins grew nervous after the poor start and then tried to 180 but by then the conversations or thoughts about sacking him had started and so they werent going to commit at that point to a new person into the coaching set up.

If Robins & Viveash were still together and on good terms and poor start happened, they wouldnt have been sacked because Doug trusted them both

But Robins and new coaches on their own werent trusted to turn it around.

The singular visions and expectations of this season was to clearly start strong and really have a go of it. They believe its the strongest squad we’ve ever had and that Robins and this coaching set up were at risk of squandering it.

On the face of it, its possible to see how all of that is true.

That’s probably the best explanation of what he was trying to get across, but I still think some of it doesn’t make sense and is contradictory, and it is all rather convenient.

washing his hands of any responsibility whatsoever.

 

[duffer]

Bombshell threw everything out
The lady who asked the first question after that was great and he didn’t answer as was the lad of here after

It wasn’t very fair of him to throw mr under the bus but I can’t believe how many in the room and on here were like oh well robins is the past and king is the future so thanks but we move on
I don’t really like him he’s arrogant and answers as if he knows everything when he clearly can’t know everything

That said he fronted up and didn’t do bad - he didn’t really answer the question of why

It seemed to be because his coaches aren’t good enough and results are going to get us relegated which doesn’t quite work

I probably differ with you slightly there, Pete.

If true, I think it's important that we get the reasons why Adi went, and it seemed to me his reason for getting rid of Robins was fairly clear. He couldn't get Adi and MR to reconcile, he didn't trust the coaching set-up that MR put in place, and thought that things weren't working for him without a dedicated number two.

Now whether we agree with that is most definitely a matter of opinion, but given the criticism King has faced, I can understand why he'd want to explain his reasoning.

As for whether he's made the right decision, I'd personally still say no, but it seems a lot less arbitrary now at least.

This isn't to say you're wrong Pete, just that we differ slightly. I absolutely get where you're coming from, as usual mate it's a perfectly valid opinion.

 

[torchomatic]

@Boicey why are you putting poo emoji on all my posts?
If you want to carry on, carry on, but I honestly don't give a fuck and you're not achieving anything.
Wouldn't it be better to try and debate your point?
Or maybe you've just got a faeces fetish.

Think you're special? You ain't!

 

[GIMOC]

We were beating a spurs team up until 89th min a few months ago
We beat wolves at their place last season
We came back to draw 3-3 against man utd.

This is all in our current shite form. These players can absolutely step up and do more and they should be. If MR couldn't motivate them to do so regularly then someone else has to.

The fact is that the potential this squad has is huge and they have underperformed and DK has told us his reasoning tonight for why that is. Time will tell if he's right or not

we lost to spurs 2nd team

We beat a wolves team that have won three times since we played them

We beat a United team that have been shite and since sacked their manager

our squad has been slated all season. Most of current crop have failed to live up to expectations and price tag

 

[Bigelvesy]

Also to add, i think Doug King is going to drag this club kicking and screaming to modern footballing professionalism in the structures and processes in place.
He talked today about Directors of football, heads of marketing and commercial. I think there is alot required to bring the club back from its knees off pitch. Interested to see and hear more about this in the future

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Lol

the same wright who gets pelters one week because he doesn’t look interested

I agree wright could step up but too inconsistent

Milan based on last season yes. This season no

so out of 40 mill spent we have two players with a combined total of 10 mill

so that’s 30 mill spunked up the wall

Confused on the wright bit. Understand he gets pelters but think he plays decent and is a big part why we are not in the bottom two.

On the Milan, agree completely but think it’s a confidence issue this year (I hope) and showed how good he could be in the prem against man united.

The rest it’s hard to know as there either young and still developing and thus too early or players like tats who is a quality player (again based on last year, struggling so far) but probably will reach his ceiling in a top half championship team.

Don’t think it’s a waste it’s like Mark always used to say if they were the finished article they wouldn’t be here.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

hamer made it in the prem. he was one of their only good players

So again, how many of our players will make it in the prem?

Spending 40 mill you should hope a few could/would

If 'made it' equates to playing one season ( and I rate Gus by the way) that is a low benchmark. Surprised nobody bought him to be honest. I think MVE could handle the PL, and possibly Haji Wright ( on a 'going' day). Promoted teams will always buy new players anyway (although Luton bought very few).

 

[Evo1883]

So is the general consensus then that the coaches are shit , and along with a new manager there is a chance we lose some of them to accommodate his own staff ?

 

[GIMOC]

Haji Wright

so 40 mill spent and one player could step up to the prem

great recruitment

 

[rockwoodfleet]

you think it’s a good trait to throw someone under the bus to save their face?

you think it’s a good trait to name drop a person about a job when king says he does all his business behind closed doors

so many gullible fans on here and in general

I hope I’m wrong but king is part of the problem

Hope I have egg on my face. I don’t think it’ll end well due his persona. robins worked with sisu and gave us our best times

let’s see if we get the same good times in the next 7 years

I respect Clint as generally comes across very well. Disagree with him perhaps with this seemingly anti king thing but honestly from you mate I don't believe a word you say. We're you part of the 9k box gang who were asked to pay the full 24k when King arrived?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

That’s probably the best explanation of what he was trying to get across, but I still think some of it doesn’t make sense and is contradictory, and it is all rather convenient.

washing his hands of any responsibility whatsoever.

Well yeah, it’s not his job to sort out the coaching structure, that was MRs. Otherwise, he would be undermining him by interfering i.e. the very thing people were accusing King of in the first place!

 

[GIMOC]

If 'made it' equates to playing one season ( and I rate Gus by the way) that is a low benchmark. Surprised nobody bought him to be honest. I think MVE could handle the PL, and possibly Haji Wright ( on a 'going' day). Promoted teams will always buy new players anyway (although Luton bought very few).

so out of 40 mill spent. Only possibly 2 players could make the grade

that’s poor recruitment don’t you think?

 

[larry_david]

we lost to spurs 2nd team

We beat a wolves team that have won three times since we played them

We beat a United team that have been shite and since sacked their manager

our squad has been slated all season. Most of current crop have failed to live up to expectations and price tag

Yeah they've failed to live up to that and DK has acted. I don't see the argument tbh

 

[Ccfcisparks]

so out of 40 mill spent. Only possibly 2 players could make the grade

that’s poor recruitment don’t you think?

Ipswich got promoted and bought new players to replace their old team.

does that mean the players who got them promoted were bad recruitment?

 

[GIMOC]

Yeah they've failed to live up to that and DK has acted. I don't see the argument tbh

recruitment has been poor

you can only coach players if they can improve

most of these players have had enough time to show improvement and we haven’t seen it

Dean Austin should have been held to account more about his recruitment record thus far

 

[Bigelvesy]

and people don’t believe stuff comes out the club makes me laugh

they are all human in the end

Stuff absolutely comes out of the club. Every club in the country.
Would be interesting to look back and see your % conversion rate though…. Like saddlebrains its probably the poetic licence you apply to the things you hear that put people off

 

[GIMOC]

Ipswich got promoted and bought new players to replace their old team.

does that mean the players who got them promoted were bad recruitment?

Check how many players started for Ipswich that ended the season. the vast majority

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

what I can’t buy is that King has effectively trashed Robins and made him sound like he’s been lucky for 7 years.

You can’t tell me he’s effectively been twiddling his thumbs whilst Vivaesh has been the brains.

you can get away with this for 12 months max. Not 7 years

 

[GIMOC]

Stuff absolutely comes out of the club. Every club in the country.
Would be interesting to look back and see your % conversion rate though…. Like saddlebrains its probably the poetic licence you apply to the things you hear that put people off

and? What’s your point?

what makes me laugh with on here

they only like info they agree with

Sometimes the info is duff. your best contacts in football get duff info but I hear some good snippets aswell

 

[clint van damme]

Also to add, i think Doug King is going to drag this club kicking and screaming to modern footballing professionalism in the structures and processes in place.
He talked today about Directors of football, heads of marketing and commercial. I think there is alot required to bring the club back from its knees off pitch. Interested to see and hear more about this in the future

The problem is if he gets the next appointment wrong he's going to have to sack him and then we'll probably have 3 managers/head coaches on the pay roll and we'll have a squad that's had 3 managers in under 3,seasons and we're back on the merry go round
That's not a Doug King and Coventry problem that's a football problem for 90 percent of the teams in the league but for a long time,we've been in the other 10 percent.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Check how many players started for Ipswich that ended the season. the vast majority

5 players started for Ipswich Saturday that were there last year, and 1 was a loan they spent £20m on in the summer

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

recruitment has been poor

you can only coach players if they can improve

most of these players have had enough time to show improvement and we haven’t seen it

Dean Austin should have been held to account more about his recruitment record thus far

Can’t disagree on the last statement. While I do think a bit more positivity on the squad, the lack of certain roles being filled (CM) worries me that our recruitment is a bit shiny shiny when it comes to certain roles

 

[GIMOC]

5 players started for Ipswich Saturday that were there last year, and 1 was a loan they spent £20m on in the summer

so half the team

You could name just one maybe 2 players in our current crop who could play in the prem and Ipswich spent how much last season?