tisza
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actually meant wanted to get Conn's name to Jim White.
whatever the merit's of Simon's book would show that the situation is/was such a mess that someone had enough to write a book about it.
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whatever the merit's of Simon's book would show that the situation is/was such a mess that someone had enough to write a book about it.
Hobo
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Well Fisher is saying we have a mid League 1 budget around 2m. So all your vitriol about it being Top 6 and how much Mowbray under performed with it was bollocks as usual. About time you realised any manager is going to need 3 to 4 years to build a squad here and time to develop youngsters.
MatthewWallis
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Maybe I'm clutching at straws but dickhead saying that if potential investors were there last night then it would put them off, means that maybe potential investors were actually there. This also with the sudden change of stance from 'this club is not for sale' to 'every club is for sale'
The whole game was emotional because of the surges in the first few minutes, the chanting, the balloons and the whistles. It got my adrenaline going just watching TV. I knew they would get on to the pitch from the word go. I can see the kids being caught up in it - in their innocence, more by fear than the adrenaline and feel sorry for them. But that is pent up emotion spilling out, and it was needed by everyone ( apart from the kids ). Most fans will have felt the unity of being a part of the desire for change at CCFC.
fernandopartridge
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We're actually making the same point. Presumably then you accept the way the club is now being run?
dongonzalos
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Any potential buyer would have been impressed by those protests.
Unless the potential buyer is another SISU related company.
You see the fans are passionate and you know the dwindling numbers is because of the way the club is run.
They will be more put off by a relegation to division 4 because of the way the club is run.
Get your house in order first Mr Chairman.
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Moff
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Don't think any investors were there, but perhaps if they were watching on TV, and they understand football (which clearly Fisher doesn't) they may feel that the CCFC is worth the effort as despite 9 years of continual dross there are fans who are prepared to stand up for their club and fight for its future.
They may even see the potential of the fan base if we ever had some success.
skybluetony176
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Yep. I took a lot of shit for suggesting that we no longer have a top half of the table budget and yes I know Fisher tells the truth when it suits blah blah blah but it's exaggeration that he's prone to so let's face it when he says mid to lower mid budget there's probably more chance that it's it's lower mid to bottom. Which of course tells you that even if we'd been targeting mid to top league one players we'd still have been missing out. The spiralling down of the club under SISU continues.
They've got to go. It's the only chance that the club has and we should be uniting behind that as fans. Don't give them breathing space on any platform or forum available. Hill is bang on in the thread he started.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Fishers objective he said was to breakeven so that it costs the owners nothing further. Therefore unless results over achieve there can be no ambition.
I have said it before ...... Ccfc has become an internet based zombie club..... going nowhere
I have said it before ...... Ccfc has become an internet based zombie club..... going nowhere
Captain Dart
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And that ladies & gentlemen is not what football is about.
tisza
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sadly one of the most consistent things that we've seen across the leagues in recent seasons is that new owners don't understand football
Otis
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Why would potential investors be put off by what was in fact a very peaceful protest?
covcity4life
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they wouldnt. he just doesnt like the protests
but i dont think it means investers were there either
christonabike
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He is a cheeky fooker "ball boys and girls were crying last night after the invasion....." If they only knew what these cunts have done to our club they would be suicidal! 
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Hell yes; at least now we have a strategy. I would add that I think the strategy is borne of necessity; namely the owners not wanting to lose any further money until their end-game is realised - which many people view as being a pay-off against one of the legal avenues they have explored and continue to explore. I just wish we'd have had a strategy earlier - and one which was designed around stabilising the football club and moving it forwards before too many bridges were burned
tisza
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this is still what Fisher manages to skirt around about how a breakeven club at the wrong end of League 1 or possibly even in League 2 is an attractive investment.
We've seen various theories about SISU using the losses/debt as tax relief etc.
Wouldn't a league 1 club in the top 6 losing say 0.5m a year (by not selling its better players) be a more attractive investment proposition particularly with a potential fanbase the size of ours? It's not like we're a club whose crowds wouldn't be significantly bigger with a degree of success.
dongonzalos
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Exactly get it to breakeven so it costs nothing whilst they work out what the hell they can do the stop themselves having to realise their loses.
Meantime we are suppose to sit there like plebs building statues of Joy thanking SISU for saving our club.
When basically they are neutralising our business whilst trying to work out how they save SISU.
We are buggered no one will offer them a deal that is worth enough to convince them to accept their loses and having those loses realised.
They won't accept the losses as they are as I guess it would mean the end of SISU.
As crazy as it sounds the only chance we actually have of them going is if we get as far away from breakeven as possible.
There is only one way I can see that getting achieved NOMP.
Which is really controversial
skybluetony176
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They're in the wrong business. Simple as.
fernandopartridge
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It's stupid Don. It makes the club even less attractive to investors than it is already. Fisher said that lasts night's protest would put off investors. If that isn't true, the declining gates and lack of potential in the fan base certainly will. An investor won't look at one off events either they'll see a steady decline.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Let's be clear about this; having the club breaking even - though it's a laudable ambition - isn't a situation the owners should be proud of, given the way they're realised ambition. The great way to do it is to build whatever revenues are available - and I know not all are, so that not the debate; and operate within whatever budgets can be improved. Fisher complains about incomes, and I do have sympathies with him in that regard, but what revenues he does have he's burned; through losing his customer base, and creating a toxic brand that most commercial parties can't see advantage with partnering with; so sponsorship is down.
Thereafter, to take this newly reduced budget and cut, cut, cut; with a team filled with the revolving door of loaned youngsters, directors who run the club/play a role in property development/act as first-team coach, and a club shop that's sometimes run from a trestle table.
There's routes to break-even and routes to break-even. One is a great achievement. One is cruelly simplistic and cruelly negative in it's execution. We're not in the former
Nick
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You are Tim Fisher and I claim my prize.
I agree about the break even stuff, they need to be busting their bollocks to get people through the door to make the most of it. They need to go on PR and Marketing overdrive, make the fans feel part of it. Start with the basics that they get wrong.
If we have to be break even then fair enough, but then it's down to CCFC people to think outside the box to make the money coming in as high as possible.
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clint van damme
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Totally agree, there's breaking even as part of a greater strategy for progressing the club and breaking even while letting the club drift into oblivion.
skybluetony176
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There isn't a lack of potential in the fan base. The lack of potential is in the owners not the fan base and that is what has led to declining gates. Any potential new owners with a minute amount of football knowledge will look to the history of the club for potential, they'll look at average Ricoh championship gates when we still had hope, they'll look at the rising gates last season when we had a glimmer of hope, they'll look at cup games where we've been in them long enough to play someone of note and how that excites the fan base. They certainly won't be looking at the mess we're in now to gauge potential.
The day they walked in they had 20 odd registered players, a training facility, an Academy base and a rent deal although not great at the Ricoh which could of been purchased at a later date. Lastly championship status with a decent average attendance.
9 years on they have 20 odd registered players, a training facility they are trying to sell, no new deal at an academy base, no new deal at a stadium that now will never be the club's under them and now not even sure of L1 status with 8000 attending. To invest 70m and basically have nothing but a training ground and everything else smashed to pices or in decline I'd say TF is an illusionist.
I respect those who went last night and thank those who went on the pitch. If TF thinks they are a small number and Sisu are not watching I call him on two things. He is a liar and those on the pitch are representing the larger number who have decided not to go until Sisu leave. So TF stop twisting words and get selling to a potential buyer not trying to sell fans on your BS.
9 years on they have 20 odd registered players, a training facility they are trying to sell, no new deal at an academy base, no new deal at a stadium that now will never be the club's under them and now not even sure of L1 status with 8000 attending. To invest 70m and basically have nothing but a training ground and everything else smashed to pices or in decline I'd say TF is an illusionist.
I respect those who went last night and thank those who went on the pitch. If TF thinks they are a small number and Sisu are not watching I call him on two things. He is a liar and those on the pitch are representing the larger number who have decided not to go until Sisu leave. So TF stop twisting words and get selling to a potential buyer not trying to sell fans on your BS.
ceetee
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I thimk you have to place ball boys everywhere that the ball is likely to go out of play.
And the invasion started from the Telegraph stand which was closed
I swear I seen kids on the pitch with the protesters, at least 7 in cov kits.
I might be wrong but didn't Tim say once if the fans don't want him at the club he would leave????if so somebody should remind the idiot of this tonight and ask him to take mark football Venus with him...
I might be wrong but didn't Tim say once if the fans don't want him at the club he would leave????if so somebody should remind the idiot of this tonight and ask him to take mark football Venus with him...
clint van damme
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4 of them were players mate.
donald_trumps
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Ok, so now it is the fans fault that we aren't getting taken over - nothing to do with the fact that the club are not able to complete the simple task of responding to emails, faxes, and phone calls in previous takeover bids! Also the fact that Timmy said categorically that the club "Is not for sale!" might just put them off.
Well that stance has now changed and we are for sale - so let's get the wheels moving. As fans we will embrace any new owners and the Ricoh will soon be full to the brim, just with the relief that SISU have gone. I can see their being a major bounce back in our fortunes and as fans we must really get behind the new management and ownership in a big way if we do get new owners.
Well that stance has now changed and we are for sale - so let's get the wheels moving. As fans we will embrace any new owners and the Ricoh will soon be full to the brim, just with the relief that SISU have gone. I can see their being a major bounce back in our fortunes and as fans we must really get behind the new management and ownership in a big way if we do get new owners.
That's what I was referring to. Just used 7 as a number.
Grendel
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Suffolk sky blues
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I will be in cwr car park at 7
Are you a taxi driver?
Tim Fisher constantly quoted before lats night "The football Club is not for sale"
Tim Fisher after last night " every football club is for sales & last night put off any investor"
The guy is full of it. i dont for one minute think that last night changed his stance on selling the club... i think he said that purely to try and piss the fans off , wind up merchant.
No point AT ALL in getting him on to any Q & A ./ radio station / Press Interview , as nothing he says holds any water or truth. May as well get your kids to make up answers to your questions.
Tim Fisher after last night " every football club is for sales & last night put off any investor"
The guy is full of it. i dont for one minute think that last night changed his stance on selling the club... i think he said that purely to try and piss the fans off , wind up merchant.
No point AT ALL in getting him on to any Q & A ./ radio station / Press Interview , as nothing he says holds any water or truth. May as well get your kids to make up answers to your questions.