The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (3 Viewers)

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

martcov

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Well no Tony, actually it IS the point. The point I was reponding to was the suggestion this fiasco is costing companies billions. Some companies in this scenario will obviously be disadvantaged, but some obviously will proit. It won't be a disaster for every business. In fact, you're quids in if you make washers.
I totally get where you are coming from with your figures above and I'm sure that savvy firms will factor in these costs, blame "Brexit", and survive by passing on costs or making cuts where necessary. The investment/pain will give a supply and demand advantages over their competitors who don't take these steps, and have the last laugh in the end.

The costs are not factored in under normal circumstances/ prices. Firms have said they will absorb some of the costs ( means less profits and possibly taking a loss ), but they cannot take all of them, which means higher prices for consumers. In the example of washing machines, the costs of storage will not be as high as for products that have to be stored at cool or temperate temperatures. Cold storage is virtually sold out and costs a lot of money, hence companies using just in time. Costs kept to a minimum meaning competitive prices. Now someone will have to carry these costs.

4 billion was put aside for no deal Brexit preparations by the government. The measures have now been cancelled. Taxpayers money thrown out of the window.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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Hows everyone feeling about the brexit party? Moggs sister is a candidate for them

Are they going to shake up politics?
 

RegTheDonk

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The costs are not factored in under normal circumstances/ prices. Firms have said they will absorb some of the costs ( means less profits and possibly taking a loss ), but they cannot take all of them, which means higher prices for consumers. In the example of washing machines, the costs of storage will not be as high as for products that have to be stored at cool or temperate temperatures. Cold storage is virtually sold out and costs a lot of money, hence companies using just in time. Costs kept to a minimum meaning competitive prices. Now someone will have to carry these costs.

4 billion was put aside for no deal Brexit preparations by the government. The measures have now been cancelled. Taxpayers money thrown out of the window.
Amazing how they can find money when its needed. £200M the other week extra to fight knife crime. The Gov has money, they just don't like to spend it, the gits.

4 billion, thats a lot of taxpayers wedge to waste. They should have cut a deal by the first deadline date in March, could have saved that money. Plus we've now got up to 6 months extra subs to pay in.
 

martcov

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Amazing how they can find money when its needed. £200M the other week extra to fight knife crime. The Gov has money, they just don't like to spend it, the gits.

4 billion, thats a lot of taxpayers wedge to waste. They should have cut a deal by the first deadline date in March, could have saved that money. Plus we've now got up to 6 months extra subs to pay in.

Yes, and because of continuing uncertainty we cannot fully benefit from being in the EU. Lose lose situation.
 

Grendel

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No, they are going to be a backward looking embarrassment led by a career politician specialising in division and lies.

Well given the passion for Europe from remain voters I expect a massive remain turn out so I doubt they’ll hardly get any votes
 

Sick Boy

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Buzzing that I've managed to bag the company I work for an EU funded trip to the far east in a couple of months, hopefully funded by the UK agreement fee ;)
 

martcov

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Well given the passion for Europe from remain voters I expect a massive remain turn out so I doubt they’ll hardly get any votes

Anyone who plays on fear and resentment will get a fair few votes. It is easy as Cambridge Analytics explained in their sales talks before they got banned.

It is harder to show benefits in economic terms as it doesn’t trigger emotions. No one is interested in GDP or increasing per capital income in poorer regions. Talk about foreigners speaking languages you cannot understand on the train, or Arabic Muslim people heading your way... and votes start pouring in.
 

Captain Dart

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I am confident that this topic will reach the 2000 page mark in the fullness of time.
 

dancers lance

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I couldn't give two shits about Farage but I wouldn't write him off, I remember people laughing at him over brexit and look what happened, there are some very pissed off people in this country just primed for another protest vote.
 
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Captain Dart

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I couldn't give two shits about Farage but I wouldn't right him off, I remember people laughing at him over brexit and look what happened, there are some very pissed off people in this country just primed for another protest vote.
There is going to be a large protest vote. Split between leave and remain candidates and Labour/Tory vote will be well down.
 

Astute

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Good old Nige - the ultimate opportunist!
I can never understand how so many people are unable to see right through him.
Do you think those who voted leave can't see through him? Those who want to leave the EU use him as much as he uses them. The difference is he has made a career out of the EU whilst bashing it.
 

martcov

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Do you think those who voted leave can't see through him? Those who want to leave the EU use him as much as he uses them. The difference is he has made a career out of the EU whilst bashing it.

BoJo has also been bashing the EU for years. Sacked twice already for lying as a journalist and now caught lying again: Boris Johnson's no-deal Brexit claim was inaccurate, official watchdog rules

Most likely next Conservative leader.

You can’t make this up. ( well you could if you were BoJo )
 

martcov

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In my eyes the two main political parties are dead, I wouldn't vote for either.

The irony is that the people who have been parroting that the EU is not democratic are scrambling to be elected by an EU democratic system that does not exist in the UK. The UK‘s FPTP democracy is designed to keep people out who are not selected by the main 2 parties. FPTP = winner takes all, which is totally unfair to millions of people.

Having a YouTube or Twitter following does away with the necessity of MSM backing, which will put more pressure on the UK system. After this fiasco, I think there will be demands to do away with the 2 party system and replace it with the ( used in EU ) PR system.

I am as anti Farage as you can get, but I can understand the frustration of people who support him not having parliamentary representation.

I can’t vote in the UK, but there is no party in the UK pushing for a revocation of article 50 or a second referendum, apart from the Lib Dems. Under the present system they have little chance of winning any power anyway. Millions of PV supporters are as disenfranchised as „no dealers“.

Many countries, including the US, allow all their citizens a vote including those who live abroad. The UK doesn’t. That’s 7 million disenfranchised UK citizens. I hope that changes soon as well.
 

dutchman

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FPTP = winner takes all, which is totally unfair to millions of people.

Many countries, including the US, allow all their citizens a vote including those who live abroad. The UK doesn’t. That’s 7 million disenfranchised UK citizens. I hope that changes soon as well.

The USA is FPTP is it not?
 
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clint van damme

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I couldn't give two shits about Farage but I wouldn't write him off, I remember people laughing at him over brexit and look what happened, there are some very pissed off people in this country just primed for another protest vote.

he's an ex banker who rubs shoulders with trump yet has managed to paint himself as anti elite.
Anti EU though has his snout in their trough.
Takes a tough stance on immigration while living abroad.

Anyone that duplicitous who still garners support must have something about them, though to me he'll always be a raging c**t.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Do you think those who voted leave can't see through him? Those who want to leave the EU use him as much as he uses them. The difference is he has made a career out of the EU whilst bashing it.
That’s an interesting point astute! Many can’t but I’m sure others absolutely do as you say
 

Sick Boy

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I couldn't give two shits about Farage but I wouldn't write him off, I remember people laughing at him over brexit and look what happened, there are some very pissed off people in this country just primed for another protest vote.

This is the same Farage who has never actually managed to become an MP. Luckily, most voters see through him, including leave voters.
 

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