Astute
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The EU countries would be well out of pocket as we buy much more off them than they buy off us. But the money would go in tax and not the companies. Thw tax would most probably go to the EU to keep the gravy train going.
The EU countries would be well out of pocket as we buy much more off them than they buy off us. But the money would go in tax and not the companies. Thw tax would most probably go to the EU to keep the gravy train going.Tit-for-tat tariffs will only balance out at the end of the day...so why would either party go that route?
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Tell me what decisions we have been able to make as part of the EU then?
That got passed?Everything we have ever voted on that got passed. We even had a Uk foreign minister of the EU.
Yes...on every issue such arguments can be levelled. It is a sad fact of life...& no doubt there would be some scheme set up to support them in some way. But the majority of homeowners will not be losing their jobs!
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May was always in favour of the EU but knows she has to honour the will of the people.
Corbyn, like all real socialists, despises it and wants out.
We have been restricted in business dealings with the likes of China because of EU trading agreements...with them removed we might get even better deals elsewhere. It is all if's & buts & maybes really...whether positive or negative opinions are given atmIt was in response to Astute's point - the banks, and other organisations are starting to plan relocation. The banks employ thousands of people - not everyone of these is a Gordon Gecko type nd will lose their jobs.
I ask again - where is the economic benefit of leaving the EU - I still don't see it. No-one seems able to explain (I mean in my real world, not on here).
All the stuff that they want & we can provide...those are the opportunities. In some countries for generations they have been keen to buy British because of that curious & bizarre belief that British is bestWhat do you propose we sell them? Genuine question?
Yes...seek the negatives and you will find some.Well the US Commerce Secretary has already said a deal with the UK is a low priority and a free trade agreement with the EU is more important.
Canada will likely be more responsive but CETA took 8 years.
Onto India then, who was it that sunk the EU / India trade deal by refusing to accept Mode 4? That would be May. Do you think she will now u-turn and allow virtually unlimited immigration from India which will be a pre-requisite of any deal. And if she does how does that tie with us leaving the EU to have 'control of our borders'.
That leaves China. The likelihood, even discounting the fact we have monumentally pissed off President Xi by voting leave after he pushed the UK as the dominant EU member for Chinese trade, is that they will prioritise the EU as any rules of origin loopholes that could provide the Chinese access to the EU via the UK are likely to be closed. Although Xi is unpredictable so anything could happen then.
Not trying to be pessimistic but I think the process is going to be a lot more difficult and take a to longer than people are expecting.
So Germany should carry on deciding our future?
All the stuff that they want & we can provide...those are the opportunities. In some countries for generations they have been keen to buy British because of that curious & bizarre belief that British is best
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Despite the protestations of Martcov and co the rather pitiful antics of the EU trying to act tough is only political posturing.
They want to try and derail the government and try and boost Corbyn and co popularity by juvenile scare mongering
More significantly they are terrified of a significant vote for Le Penn in the presidential elections. Macron will win but if 45% of the electorate vote national front it's a significant blow against the ghastly Euro project from one of the biggest pro euro advocate countries.
Some of yes. Just like remain voters.
I think that I would be better off remaining. But leaving would be better for my kids and grandchildren. I am not complaining on what I could lose. Many remainers are.
Who doesn't mind?May's latest attempt at acting tough is pathetic and shows that she is weak.I wonder why she/you don't mind when non doms and hedge funds try to influence elections?
Will there be an EU then?Chances are they will be the generation reapplying for EU membership.
Who doesn't mind?
So you would like her to roll over and go on the EU terms? Itis the EU terms that have made people want to leave. This one rule for everyone doesn't work. What is best for Germany isn't best for all.
Will there be an EU then?
So we should stay in the EU because the unions were too strong 40 years ago?
Yes there most certainly will be. We were told that first Austria and then the Netherlands would fall to anti-EU parties, which didn't happen. Now we have some willing a fascist to get into power in France in an attempt to weaken the EU. What a sorry state of affairs.
Despite the protestations of Martcov and co the rather pitiful antics of the EU trying to act tough is only political posturing.
They want to try and derail the government and try and boost Corbyn and co popularity by juvenile scare mongering
More significantly they are terrified of a significant vote for Le Penn in the presidential elections. Macron will win but if 45% of the electorate vote national front it's a significant blow against the ghastly Euro project from one of the biggest pro euro advocate countries.
..and how the hell can they let a Chancellor stand for a 4th term! Even the Yanks plugged that bad idea.
Rather clever cartoon from The Economist I thought...
And strangely enough you never mention Junckers outbursts. I am glad she is standing up to him or it would guarantee the hard brexit you keep going on about.How is her latest outburst going to help with getting as good a deal as possible? She comes across as a weak and unstable leader.
At last you have admitted what the EU is in its present state.Yes there most certainly will be. We were told that first Austria and then the Netherlands would fall to anti-EU parties, which didn't happen. Now we have some willing a fascist to get into power in France in an attempt to weaken the EU. What a sorry state of affairs.
Don't we all. It is Juncker that said it won't happen. He is the biggest problem.No, but I think that we should stay in the single market as it benefits our industry.
Germany does very well out of the EU. Most other countries don't. So there is bound to be unrest elsewhere and opportunists taking advantage.It shows how right wing our country is becoming and how desperate some are. The brexiteers need some support in the EU to tell us " we told you so ". Some on here predicted the rise of the AfD in Germany and even said they were speaking for the silent majority. They have recently decided, unashamedly, not to become a more Centre party and stay on the extreme right - much to the pleasure of their openly neo Nazi wing.
Their ratings dropping accordingly.
In Germany the choice is very pro EU against extremely pro EU, with the FDP and greens as pro EU minority parties.
The silent majority seems to prefer reform the EU, to leaps in the dark such as voting to leave or for a Trump type character.
I hope Le Pen gets hammered.
Don't we all. It is Juncker that said it won't happen. He is the biggest problem.
The best outcome would be reform in the EU. But there is no chance with Juncker in charge.Would you say that a known fascist party winning or getting 45% is the preferable outcome to the ghastly Euro project? Are you quietly hoping for a Le Pen Presidency?
Shame on you if you are.
In an EU we never voted to join.....The biggest problem is that we want to be in the single market, but not accept the rules for membership.
Germany does very well out of the EU. Most other countries don't. So there is bound to be unrest elsewhere and opportunists taking advantage.
In an EU we never voted to join.....
We joined the common market. It is nothing like what we joined.
The best outcome would be reform in the EU. But there is no chance with Juncker in charge.
In an EU we never voted to join.....
We joined the common market. It is nothing like what we joined.
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