Sick Boy
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I’d rather base it upon my own experience here thanks than someone on a football forum.
They don’t - you just make it up
I’d rather base it upon my own experience here thanks than someone on a football forum.
So personal experience is more important that stats and links then?
Why would I pay more attention to someone who spends his time on a football forum trying to make an anti EU point rather than a country I’ve lived in for nearly 4 years in total?
Well the irony is you’ve turned into an Uber capitalist - in the thatcher years many people made huge sums of money and would have said exactly what you have - country is fantastic, what is the problem. Some of them up north especially in those dirty mines ruin the stats. I’m off to my boat near Poole it’s lovely
You’ve become a Thatcherite ha Ha ha
I didn't ignore the point of the article. I poi ted out wrong information. Then I got accused of burying my head in the sand. Then I got told I didn't read what I did. Then it escalated. Even when it was there in black and white.So you’re just going to ignore the point of the articles?
It is the reason I have moved my family out of the UK.The quality of life overall is way higher than that of the UK.
Economic stats to show quality of life?What economic stats do you have to back that one up?
You just don't get it do you.So poverty is worse, unemployment worse, average wage worse, national debt worse but as you like it that’s it
I love Italy......Ha ha it’s you that said it’s a great place to live. There is not one stat to support you - if it was Bazza or astute talking like you are about the UK you’d be taking them apart!
When did you last go to Italy? When I was last there we had a few families invite us to family meals. Went to one of them. We learned a lot that night.They don’t - you just make it up
Stats and links are normally correct? They are frequently put together to say what someone wants them to say.So personal experience is more important that stats and links then?
What a childish thing to say.Flying back to Verona tomorrow from Sardinia and then going to Lake Garda to cool off from the heat.
I know it’s not the Isle of Man and Rutland Water but you have to make do sometimes.
Stats and links are normally correct? They are frequently put together to say what someone wants them to say.
No it removes the anecdotal - my neighbours are actually Italian and are much happier here - that doesn’t prove anything
I have spent a fair bit of time in Cape Town - I’m sure my quality of life would be great but the ranking of the place as a place to live would be an accurate representation.
How many do you know you lived in the UK?Most Italians I know dislike/d living in the UK and my partner was relieved to get back to Italy.
For us the overall quality of life is far superior here compared to our old life in Brighton, that’s not to say I don’t miss it though.
How many do you know you lived in the UK?
I know someone who is going out with someone from Naples. They said it's horrible - the standard of the housing is awful and a death trap that would be condemned here. Exposed wiring. If they turn the hot water on the lights don't work.The public transport is totally unreliable and takes forever to get you there. They said they got on a bus to get across town and halfway there the driver decided to get off and have a coffee for an hour. Wasn't his break - he just felt like it.
So while you may be having a lovely time in a very picturesque area with a lovely climate it isn't necessarily reflective of the overall picture. It's possibly like someone middle class living in a nice detached house in the country and an X5 in the drive who get to go to reasonable restaurants and enjoy nights out at the theatre saying how great it is here. But for someone in a flat above a shop in Hillfields it's an absolute nightmare.
Who have lived in the UK or who live there now?
Then that’s the same across the world, surely. There’s good and bad in every country with breathtaking poverty.
You can’t also use Napoli as a generalisation for the whole country either. It’s completely different to most other places in the country and ridden with organised crime, hence the shocking state of a lot of the housing.
Either out of the 600,000 Italians who moved here versus the 200,000 that live there. Again not that any of that actually incubates much - in the end the stats are conclusive overwhelmingly whether you like it or not. Italy will I believe be the next Greece
So saying a trip to Bedworth canal and Lake Garda isn’t generalising? Why not say the Cornish landscape or the Lake District? Honestly your rationale is full of holes
Most Italians I know dislike/d living in the UK and my partner was relieved to get back to Italy.
For us the overall quality of life is far superior here compared to our old life in Brighton, that’s not to say I don’t miss it though.
Then that’s the same across the world, surely. There’s good and bad in every country with breathtaking poverty.
You can’t also use Napoli as a generalisation for the whole country either. It’s completely different to most other places in the country and ridden with organised crime, hence the shocking state of a lot of the housing.
Of course it's the same across the world. I was using Naples as a counterpoint to you using your own experiences which you seemed to be extrapolating onto the rest of Italy. As with my example of the middle class family, you wouldn't accept that as a true reflection of the entire UK. If I just said to look at the SE because the north/Scotland/Wales were very different with different problems that wouldn't be acceptable either as representative of the whole country. Just because parts of the north of Italy have specific problems doesn't mean they can be discounted as how Italy should be perceived or recorded as a whole - they are still under the jurisdiction of the Italian government and therefore should be included in how the country should be viewed.
As much as agreeing with Grendel seems wrong, that index (which does go beyond economic considerations, even though will undoubtedly be flawed in some way) indicates that the UK has a better overall standard of living than Italy overall. I'm sure you're having a great time and it's lovely. But there are people here who're having a great time in very picturesque areas. There are also plenty more who are having a shit time. The same is true of Italy.
It does sound great to be fair (been to various places in Italy on holiday and loved it), however, an individuals view of life doesn’t necessarily reflect the living standards of a nation.
Italy is a great country (food, weather, wine etc) but from what I’ve read in recent years it’s in an awful financial/economic state. The unemployment rate is more than double ours and like other Southern European countries the rate for under 25s is horrific.
I know kids in the UK talk about a lack of opportunities etc but how must they feel in these countries, knowing that they have a 25-30% chance if being unemployed ?! I presume this is part of the reason why they have ended up in an even greater political mess than us (hard to imagine I know !)
I don’t know how much it has to do with being in the EU/Euro but either way, something’s got to change otherwise if any major country is likely to leave the EU, it will be Italy (I’m not sure if it’s financially possible though)
Yeah of course I know it’s not great for everyone, but as you said, that’s the same the world over.
I’d still rather live here though, it’s bizarre that I even have to justify it
I don't think you have to justify where you choose to live. What I do think you have to justify is you stating that Italy is a better place to live than the UK in general. Your own experiences undoubtedly do make it a better place for you. The overall statistics and evidence suggest that to not be the case overall.
Italy’s a fantastic country to visit but that’s where I’d draw the line. We’ve enjoyed some great holidays there in beautiful locations and I worked there for a few years but the country has massive problems financially and politically which are reflected in an ever worsening economy. Young people are leaving in their droves in search of work. Poverty and social unrest are increasingly serious issues and like it or not Sick Boy, the fact is that the EU are increasingly viewed as working against the interests of the country as opposed to helping resolve the crisis.
There’s plenty of issues that need to be addressed in both countries. IMO I’d say the overall quality of life is better on a whole, despite what some claim on here.
As you say, it's your opinion. The actual quality of life index disputes that.
As much of this thread is about providing actual evidence of claims not 'feelings' or anecdotal evidence the index has to take precedence over your opinion.
As I'd base mine on my own experiences. I've got a reasonably good life. My family, friends. colleagues and neighbours all seem content and happy without any major worries. Therefore I don't see why people are complaining about the UK - it's a great place to live. Much better than the likes of Denmark - expensive and far too often cold and dark from my experience. Or could it be that I'm not representative of the country as a whole?
It's not me or others on here telling you - it's an internationally sanctioned and professionally researched study conducted by experts.
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