The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (87 Viewers)

[Astute]

Perhaps the UK should join schengen too then?

I still think we should stay in the EU even though we have found out how crooked those who run the EU are. But I am like all the leaders of the countries in the EU and want change. And it isn't going to happen when thise who run the show don't want anything to change other than a firmer grip.

 

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[Astute]

He (& his squad) simply ignore the posts that prove them wrong.

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They always do unless they find a line they can twist.

 

[djr8369]

Only for the rabbit in the headlights.

It is a change of huge magnitude, one which happens every few generations or so. Like last time was probably when we joined the EEC. Requires a change in mindset. Change being the key word. Too many people are spooked by it.

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Everyone is a rabbit in headlights due to the limited information the government has been able to provide. I feel you’re drastically underestimating the magnitude of the step change. This isn’t a little blip business will quickly adjust to.


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[djr8369]

See? There you go again!
This time last year you & ypur mates were moaning because there were none. Now we have some you trivialise them. It is a gradual process...it takes time. These deals are proof that they can & do & probably will continue to happen!

The bloke you mention didn't qualify or quantify the 'easy' thing either. Fact is there are deals done, & others in process.

You just keep on crying in your sangria though. Others who you revel in ridiculing as being incompetent are in the meantime getting on with the jobs in hand.

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But the trade deals that have been sorted are trivial and no replacement for what we have. How do you expect people to react? We were told they’d be done over night and not a gradual process. Presumably some people voted leave on that basis.


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[skybluetony176]

I'll dumb down the questions for you then.

What borders are they that you keep mentioning?

We will have a trade deal with Switzerland. Switzerland are not in the EU but have a trade deal with the EU. What kind of border is there around Switzerland? What will happen to the goods from the UK to Switzerland?

North Korea? I see you are struggling a bit now.

They’re trade borders. Did that really need explaining to you?

Ooo Switzerland. The great cuckoo clock famon of 2019 has been adverted. Someone give Fox a knighthood. What about the other 58 countries he hasn’t got a continuation for? The goods from the UK to Switzerland (a land locked country in the middle of the EU) are going to have issues if they go by road for the simple fact they’ll have to go through an EU port. Maybe we can do an airlift. Brexiteers love a WW2 analogy, they can call it the Bern Airlift.

 

[skybluetony176]

It means we have the power to put one up if, when & where we decide we want one on our territory.

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In other words it’s meaningless.

 

[skybluetony176]

Not all NI citizens have a UK passport? Yeah the government has loads of solutions hahaha!

More so now than pre referendum. The uptake of Irish passports not just from Northern Ireland but the UK as a whole has grown dramatically.

 

[skybluetony176]

...but have the power to create such a mechanism

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Apparently Boris has said we aren’t going to do that though so it’s just meaningless.

 

[skybluetony176]

You just don't have a clue.

So those other countries in Europe that are not in the EU have put up borders?

Which ones specifically are you talking about? You’ve only mentioned Switzerland by name and as I’ve already pointed out to you they have a free trade agreement with the EU and a series of bilateral agreements.

 

[skybluetony176]

Or non UK passport departures from NI join the international queue. There is an adequate filter...increases employment at NI airports too.
You keep looking for problems...the government is now finally in solution mindset & mode.

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Ha ha yeah, if the solution mindset is do nothing and blame everyone else. What solutions have they came up with exactly.

 

[skybluetony176]

See? There you go again!
This time last year you & ypur mates were moaning because there were none. Now we have some you trivialise them. It is a gradual process...it takes time. These deals are proof that they can & do & probably will continue to happen!

The bloke you mention didn't qualify or quantify the 'easy' thing either. Fact is there are deals done, & others in process.

You just keep on crying in your sangria though. Others who you revel in ridiculing as being incompetent are in the meantime getting on with the jobs in hand.

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He was supposed to have arranged the continuation of 40 EU FTA’s covering 70 countries before we left in March this year. He failed completely, pure and simple. Regardless of what you voted that should be acknowledged as it doesn’t just effect those who voted leave. If you feel the need to not criticise this failure you’re clearly in brexit cult mode mindset.

 

[skybluetony176]

Those that choose to not have a UK passport will have to either get one or stand in the other queue then won't they?

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Are you aware of something called the Good Friday Agreement? It’s a legal document that we signed and is ratified by the UN. What next? Brexit the UN so Irish passport holders have to join another queue at the airport.

 

[djr8369]

Amazing how the argument has changed from “there’s no need for a border” to “it won’t be us putting one up” to “we can put one up when we’re ready to”

Sums up the entire debate. Deny, deflect, move the goal posts, repeat.


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[skybluetony176]

Wow. So you’d be willing to go against the Good Friday Agreement? And! you’d still make UK citizens show passports when moving around the UK?

Most were born in the UK, educated in the UK, only ever paid taxes in the UK yet to travel to the mainland of the UK we’re going segregate them at port. Great isn’t it.

 

[Sick Boy]

Which ones specifically are you talking about? You’ve only mentioned Switzerland by name and as I’ve already pointed out to you they have a free trade agreement with the EU and a series of bilateral agreements.

And they’re in Schengen

 

[skybluetony176]

And they’re in Schengen

Irrelevant apparently. It’s just us being negative that’s the issue.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Wow. So you’d be willing to go against the Good Friday Agreement? And! you’d still make UK citizens show passports when moving around the UK?

Something has to give, they will find a way to accommodate it. And no, UK passports would do as they do now

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[Sky Blue Pete]

To find a way they have to accept there’s a problem and solve it. Boris and gove are just saying there’s no problem as they won’t be introducing a hard border

 

[Sick Boy]

Something has to give, they will find a way to accommodate it. And no, UK passports would do as they do now

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So you’d just break one of the key aspects of the Good Friday agreement?
Wow

How would you distinguish who is in which queue without doing passport checks?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Something has to give, they will find a way to accommodate it. And no, UK passports would do as they do now

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Well that's a very thorough, considered and well-explained solution.

Or to sum it up "we'll wing it". Great way to consider something that had a history of decades of unrest, military presence, terrorism, murders and people scared to leave their homes. If we do what you're suggesting people WILL die in the unrest that follows.

 

[Sick Boy]

Well that's a very thorough, considered and well-explained solution.

Or to sum it up "we'll wing it". Great way to consider something that had a history of decades of unrest, military presence, terrorism, murders and people scared to leave their homes. If we do what you're suggesting people WILL die in the unrest that follows.

Come on mate, try to use the power of positive thinking. Bedsides, all of the benefits will be well worth it if that happens anyway.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well that's a very thorough, considered and well-explained solution.

Or to sum it up "we'll wing it". Great way to consider something that had a history of decades of unrest, military presence, terrorism, murders and people scared to leave their homes. If we do what you're suggesting people WILL die in the unrest that follows.

The ugly face of sectarianism may have gone from the shop window but it was kept in the stock room by some, the referendum has put it back on the shelves in the shop, leave without a deal and it will be back in the shop window. It’s already rearing it’s head again in traditional flashpoints as we’ve seen all over the summer with rioting and shootings including the murder of a journalist. The worrying thing is that it doesn’t seem to be the aging hardcore sectarians of the 80’s and 90’s that are pushing it, it’s largely what’s known as the peace generation. The battle lines are being drawn in traditional flashpoints make no mistake about that. It’s OK though because Boris isn’t erecting a border apparently so there’s absolutely no way that the tools of terrorism will ever get into that area of the UK known as Northern Ireland.

 

[skybluetony176]

Come on mate, try to use the power of positive thinking. Bedsides, all of the benefits will be well worth it if that happens anyway.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

So you’d just break one of the key aspects of the Good Friday agreement?
Wow

How would you distinguish who is in which queue without doing passport checks?

When I go anywhere in the EU except elsewhere in the UK - I have to show, or at least be ready to show, my passport.
There is no difference.

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[SkyblueBazza]

Come on mate, try to use the power of positive thinking. Bedsides, all of the benefits will be well worth it if that happens anyway.

If it wasn't for the kind of positive thinkers that showed perseverance & patience throughout history, the moaning neg-heads such as yourself would not be enjoying many of the things you readily take for granted. Even down to the keyboard you spout your negativity on!

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[Sick Boy]

When I go anywhere in the EU except elsewhere in the UK - I have to show, or at least be ready to show, my passport.
There is no difference.

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Well there is because Northern Ireland is in the UK and the likes of the DUP are not going to be happy with having to show passports to move round the UK.

 

[Sick Boy]

If it wasn't for the kind of positive thinkers that showed perseverance & patience throughout history, the moaning neg-heads such as yourself would not be enjoying many of the things you readily take for granted. Even down to the keyboard you spout your negativity on!

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You’re actually being serious as well.

Fucking hell.

 

[Grendel]

Well there is because Northern Ireland is in the UK and the likes of the DUP are not going to be happy with having to show passports to move round the UK.

The DUP were utterly opposed to the backstop and I’ve never not shown a passport flying in the uk

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Well that's a very thorough, considered and well-explained solution.

Or to sum it up "we'll wing it". Great way to consider something that had a history of decades of unrest, military presence, terrorism, murders and people scared to leave their homes. If we do what you're suggesting people WILL die in the unrest that follows.

Your approach however merely serves to satisfy & pacify & thereby encourage extremist & violent behaviours to get what you want.

So the noisey &/or violent &/or extreme minority win the day. That's a healthy view of how things should be.

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[SkyblueBazza]

Well there is because Northern Ireland is in the UK and the likes of the DUP are not going to be happy with having to show passports to move round the UK.

That is only happening in your head though isn't it?

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[Grendel]

Well that's a very thorough, considered and well-explained solution.

Or to sum it up "we'll wing it". Great way to consider something that had a history of decades of unrest, military presence, terrorism, murders and people scared to leave their homes. If we do what you're suggesting people WILL die in the unrest that follows.

It’s a curious argument. You seem to suggest the bombs and the bullets have greater rights than the ballot box

 

[Mcbean]

Am I wrong to want Boris to sack the 4 ex ministers from the party who want to get together with Corbyn

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It’s a curious argument. You seem to suggest the bombs and the bullets have greater rights than the ballot box

No. I'm saying that bombs and bullets will be the result of the ballot box with the dismissive way too many are considering the NI issue.

 

[Grendel]

No. I'm saying that bombs and bullets will be the result of the ballot box with the dismissive way too many are considering the NI issue.

So would the terrorist be to blame or the UK people?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If it wasn't for the kind of positive thinkers that showed perseverance & patience throughout history, the moaning neg-heads such as yourself would not be enjoying many of the things you readily take for granted. Even down to the keyboard you spout your negativity on!

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When we joined the EU it was the positive thinkers suggesting so. Less chance of war, greater competition through open markets resulting in bigger improvements, cooperation in science leading to advancements and in policing reducing crime. The 'moaning neg-heads' were those telling us to stay out because it'd be terrible for us.

So for you the moaning neg-heads were right.....