The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (40 Viewers)

[Nick]

Have you a brain, can't you make up your own mind .
I've never subscribed to any paper so I actually make my own mind up, what I believe or what's total shit.
The only time I buy a paper is for the evening football scores.
Oh I forgot the way I think is from a paper I've never brought or read.
Another great post Ian, you are on fire tonight. Again if I don't think the same as him I'm as thick as shit.
He proves it every post

Who buys a paper for Football scores?

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

No way do you write the way you do, that you like our country.

You seem to be telling people what they think, without knowing them...

(I'd consider loving my country to be trying to protect it from narcissists such as Johnson, hell bent on a course of destruction, but hey, knock yourself out with some lazy tarring)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Great debating again you labour voters. Yea my Dad , his Dad, and my great dad, voted Labour, so whatever
, I'm voting labour whatever I actually think.

You seem to know what they think on this too...

 

[Sick Boy]

No way do you write the way you do, that you like our country.
You seem to desire that you would love our country to fail so you can say ' I told you so'.
Can you imagine if after a lull we leave such a bright future for the next generation.
But no doubt, you will come on here with some more negativity if you find one single aspect that's not quite working.
Some people hate the country they live in and you and the rest obviously do. Rather than fight for your country all you want to do is slag it off.

Your logic makes no sense whatsoever.

There are people on this thread who think Brexit is a bad idea and according to you they hate this country, surely they would then be all for Brexit?

And as they think Brexit is a bad idea and are opposed to it, they are effectively fighting for the country.

 

[Sick Boy]

Or there is hardly any impact at all, but you keep on wishing our country suffers, because at least you ,sickboy, Ian, Shmee, (who lives totally in the past) ,and good old Tony, can sleep with a smug smile on their faces.

Quite the opposite actually, I’d rather it was a success for the sake of my family who live in the UK.

 

[clint van damme]

Are you being serious !, I'd rather have Mr Bean as foreign secretary than someone who can not do the most basic arithmetic that a primary school pupil could do.
She is fucking embarressing, fact.
I wonder if Corbyn wil be off to attend the next real IRA march, he must be due to attend a terroist march pretty soon.
Actually I've just heard he's approved finance for a second fully armed Pedalo to protect our shores, so I may have been a bit hasty.
I bet Putin is wishing with every bone in his body that somehow Corbyn gets in as he will have free rein over us. Centuries of being looked upon as a major power will be lost in days under Corbyn, he will sell all our equipment to Hamas the day he gets in, yes I know it's a fantasy that he does get in but I'm open minded so it could happen if every ballot paper is miscounted by the new specialist vote counter just appointed, Diane Abbott

But you never posted anything about Hammond who was chancellor and made some huge gaffs, 20 billion out on his HS2 figures.
You talk about friends in the middle East but don't mention the Saudis - do a bit of digging in to where ISIS got backing from.

Absolute nonsense to suggest Putin wants Corbyn in, look at where Putin's money is, he's terrified of a fully implemented Magnistsky act in the UK. While the likes of Boris are playing tennis with his oligarch mates he's quite happy with the Tories in power.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Vote Labour, beacause mr my Dad his grandad and my grandad did. Fuck what I think I'm labour through and through, even if it means Corbyn , who meets and goes on terrorists marches ,and that Diane Abbott will be our next foreign Secretary

My parents vote Tory and in ‘97 talked about emigrating if Blair got in. One grandad voted Labour, the other Tory. It’s about the policies not the man and I haven’t always voted for them.

You might not read the Mail but your posts may as well be a copy paste

 

[clint van damme]

My parents vote Tory and in ‘97 talked about emigrating if Blair got in. One grandad voted Labour, the other Tory. It’s about the policies not the man and I haven’t always voted for them.

You might not read the Mail but your posts may as well be a copy paste

I support Corbyn, doesn't bother me other people don't, doesn't bother me that a lot of people hate him. I can kind of see their point of view even though I don't agree.
But I am genuinely astonished and a little worried about the amount of shit the Tories do that they turn a blind eye to it's fucking incredible.

 

[SBAndy]

Fuck me Ian did I have to actually quote that the oppositions foriegn minister is exactly the shadow foreign minister.
Great point you make. I'm definately out my depth.
Vote Labour, beacause mr my Dad his grandad and my grandad did. Fuck what I think I'm labour through and through, even if it means Corbyn , who meets and goes on terrorists marches ,and that Diane Abbott will be our next foreign Secretary

I’m starting to think your projecting your views onto your ‘mates’ that work at National Grid.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I support Corbyn, doesn't bother me other people don't, doesn't bother me that a lot of people hate him. I can kind of see their point of view even though I don't agree.
But I am genuinely astonished and a little worried about the amount of shit the Tories do that they turn a blind eye to it's fucking incredible.

It's always whenever there's criticism of the Tories. Somehow, it ends up Corbyn's fault!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I support Corbyn, doesn't bother me other people don't, doesn't bother me that a lot of people hate him. I can kind of see their point of view even though I don't agree.
But I am genuinely astonished and a little worried about the amount of shit the Tories do that they turn a blind eye to it's fucking incredible.

The media narrative is a powerful one. If all you hear/read/see is ‘Corbyn’s a trot/in bed with Gerry Adams/in bed with Hamas/unelectable/wants to nationalise *everything*’, it’s hard to shake. Would just be nice if people thought critically about what they heard

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's always whenever there's criticism of the Tories. Somehow, it ends up Corbyn's fault!

For a long time Schrödinger has been leading the Labour Party. Simultaneously facilitating and undermining the Great British Flip Off

 

[Evo1883]

Hard left policies like funding the education system and the NHS, eliminating homelessness and offering free university education.

What a Trotsky bastard.

Yay Marxism and communism FTW

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yay Marxism and communism FTW

3 communist Corbyn policies-go

 

[clint van damme]

Yay Marxism and communism FTW

Why would any working class person be against at least the first 3?

 

[Evo1883]

3 communist Corbyn policies-go

at its core, its an ideology of economic equality through the elimination of private property... Are you denying that Labour policies don't swing this way.

Even if its not flat out communism you can see why people make the reference

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

at its core, its an ideology of economic equality through the elimination of private property... Are you denying that Labour policies swing this way

Can you give me 3 communist Labour policies? Not a hard question

 

[Evo1883]

Can you give me 3 communist Labour policies? Not a hard question

No, I've just given you my answer haven't i

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, I've just given you my answer haven't i

No you haven’t you’ve just shown you can’t give specific policies to support what you’re saying. If policy is ‘swinging that way’ you should still be able to give some examples.

 

[Evo1883]

The communist party do believe a he

No you haven’t you’ve just shown you can’t give specific policies to support what you’re saying. If policy is ‘swinging that way’ you should still be able to give some examples.

Well like is said I can't say Labour are a flat out communist party because I don't think they are obviously, it was more tongue in cheek.. However policies such as state owned rail, energy etc are all akin to policies seen in Russia back when..

It's also to no surprise that the communist party would also love to see Jeremy corbyn as leader of the country

Can i say he is a communist.. No
But he does brush close with some of their beliefs.. They endorse him

 

[Ian1779]

Yay Marxism and communism FTW

What is communist about eliminating homelessness?

 

[Ian1779]

The communist party do believe a he


Well like is said I can't say Labour are a flat out communist party because I don't think they are obviously, it was more tongue in cheek.. However policies such as state owned rail, energy etc are all akin to policies seen in Russia back when..

It's also to no surprise that the communist party would also love to see Jeremy corbyn as leader of the country

Can i say he is a communist.. No
But he does brush close with some of their beliefs.. They endorse him

So you are saying that nationally owned utilities would a directly negative impact on you?

 

[Evo1883]

What is communist about eliminating homelessness?

So you are saying that nationally owned utilities would a directly negative impact on you?

Doesn't matter if I think it will negatively effect me or not, I'm merely pointing out that he has similar beliefs to certain elements in society on certain things

Like I said, communists endorse him, strange if he didn't follow their vision in any way shape or form

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw3JVT7RmWQVJnXAS9LuxXgA&cshid=1567842524331

 

[Evo1883]

So you are saying that nationally owned utilities would a directly negative impact on you?

These lot are keen too, strange that

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BMAF6BAgMEAg&usg=AOvVaw0uHyb_8E6glnKhMKAMx08h

 

[skybluetony176]

No this is happening because MPs are hiding behind democracy to put their own agendas before the people who put them there.. They are the shit stains of society not people like me, not people like you.
They are creating anger and hatred and will pay for it spoon enough.. But for people like yourself you think this is funny, but it isn't.
You will be the first on here moaning when Britain has a very hard right wing majority in the house after the next general election... And it will be because wankers like Labour and the lib Dems thought it fit to play silly buggers with the people.

I actually pretty much agree with you. However I think it’s become pretty clear that Boris’ agenda is to deliver a no deal. His campaigning for Brexit was a Trojan horse, his agenda is and always was no deal and Parliament for all its personal agendas has called him on it this week. There’s zero evidence to suggest that he was ever serious about getting a deal as campaigned for. There’s zero evidence that he’s stepped up negotiating since becoming PM, in fact the opposite is true. There’s zero evidence that he’s found some glorious alternative to the backstop, he’s even said to his rebel’s before the vote in a very childish manner “we have an alternative, we could show you but we won’t”. He’s now being forced to attempt at the very least to keep the promises of his leave campaign and even more recently his leadership campaign. It’s incredible and this man is supposed to be our leader. He seems to be trying to lead it in a different direction to which he promised.

 

[skybluetony176]

Listen to yourself - so fucking caught up in your own ideological rants you can’t even see the detail that is front of you.

Fernando has said repeatedly on this thread that he voted Leave.

I have consistently said on this thread for the past 2 1/2 years that despite voting remain, I believed the result should be respected. I’ve argued that despite being a Labour member that a path to stopping Brexit is not the right one in my opinion (although I totally support Corbyn and others in getting no deal off the table permanently). I’ve called out the arrogance of the Remain campaign, and in particular their inability over the last 3 years to not take the time to find out WHY the country voted Leave... and if you want them to change their mind, what will you offer that will compel them to switch positions.

So many people on this thread have said the same, but because they aren't frothing at the mouth for a no-deal Brexit you label us all as wanting the country to suffer. You are talking out of your arse.

You talk about how ‘we can make a success for our children, grandchildren... tell me how? My parents both voted Leave and just trot out the usual bollocks of ‘we did it for your future’ - so tell me one single tangible piece of information that backs that statement up? ‘We did it to be in control of our own laws’ - well what fucking European law in particular was causing you the most grief because I must have missed that one.
‘What about the unelected bureaucrats?’ Er hello - have you not seen our parliament dominated by old, out of touch dinosaurs... and that’s not even mentioning the Lords...

Why should anyone have to go through ‘a few months of struggle’ so people can simply have their ideological moment? If leaving is so important then put pressure on your Leader to get it done properly - which means having to accept that no-deal is History.

And by the way - Diane Abbott is Shadow Home Secretary, not the Foreign Secretary which you said on multiple occasions.... and you’ve got the cheek to criticise her for getting stuff wrong.

Pfft. Details.

 

[Grendel]

What is communist about eliminating homelessness?

Corbyn economic maelstrom will cause more homelessness

 

[Evo1883]

I actually pretty much agree with you. However I think it’s become pretty clear that Boris’ agenda is to deliver a no deal. His campaigning for Brexit was a Trojan horse, his agenda is and always was no deal and Parliament for all its personal agendas has called him on it this week. There’s zero evidence to suggest that he was ever serious about getting a deal as campaigned for. There’s zero evidence that he’s stepped up negotiating since becoming PM, in fact the opposite is true. There’s zero evidence that he’s found some glorious alternative to the backstop, he’s even said to his rebel’s before the vote in a very childish manner “we have an alternative, we could show you but we won’t”. He’s now being forced to attempt at the very least to keep the promises of his leave campaign and even more recently his leadership campaign. It’s incredible and this man is supposed to be our leader. He seems to be trying to lead it in a different direction to which he promised.

Ok didn't expect you to agree with me fair enough, good day sir

 

[fernandopartridge]

Ian, FP, Good old Tony and Shmee are such lost talents to the debating society.
Absolutely no way are they aren't blinkered, no way will I have it.
I think we may have 3 of the greatest debaters ever lived on this earth..
Brilliant

You've made yourself look a right clown

 

[Sick Boy]

You've made yourself look a right clown

Scotch will do that to you

 

[skybluetony176]

Ok let's say hard left is lazy, I dont think saying he's further left than Alot of Labour voters are comfortable with is

Forget left or right for a second. Go and look at the top ten happiest countries in the world, look at why their happy and then read the Labour manifesto.

Traditional labour voters have dreamed for years of having a socialist labour manifesto like the current one but they seem to be convinced by Facebook that socialism is communism and we’ll end up like North Korea or some other failed communist state under Corbyn.

Holy shit. I’m talking myself into voting labour.

 

[djr8369]

The communist party do believe a he


Well like is said I can't say Labour are a flat out communist party because I don't think they are obviously, it was more tongue in cheek.. However policies such as state owned rail, energy etc are all akin to policies seen in Russia back when..

It's also to no surprise that the communist party would also love to see Jeremy corbyn as leader of the country

Can i say he is a communist.. No
But he does brush close with some of their beliefs.. They endorse him

The Brexit party contains the most former communists.


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[skybluetony176]

Hard left policies like funding the education system and the NHS, eliminating homelessness and offering free university education.

What a Trotsky bastard.

Some of which was a promise by the leave campaign of course.

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn economic maelstrom will cause more homelessness

More non-evidenced ramblings from you - the day must end with a ‘y’ again.

 

[skybluetony176]

But you never posted anything about Hammond who was chancellor and made some huge gaffs, 20 billion out on his HS2 figures.
You talk about friends in the middle East but don't mention the Saudis - do a bit of digging in to where ISIS got backing from.

Absolute nonsense to suggest Putin wants Corbyn in, look at where Putin's money is, he's terrified of a fully implemented Magnistsky act in the UK. While the likes of Boris are playing tennis with his oligarch mates he's quite happy with the Tories in power.

Doesn’t Cummings have massive links to Russia also?