The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (129 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Anyone who thinks extracting yourself from a 40 year political union should be over quickly is delusional.

We won’t be done with this in our lifetimes.

I was called ‘a mug’ on here for suggesting it would take decades - haha!

 

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[Grendel]

Anyone who thinks extracting yourself from a 40 year political union should be over quickly is delusional.

We won’t be done with this in our lifetimes.

Hilarious as you consider Sturgeon to be the best leader in the uk

You couldn’t make it up

 

[Astute]

Come on - if anyone is likely to vote with a more long term thinking it's students.

Long term for them is a few years. How many teenagers think much more long term than that? Most haven't even decided what they want to do for a living. But offer them incentives for the next few years and you will get their vote. Just like the majority of people. Otherwise it would be a waste of time any political party putting anything forward to the electorate.

That is unless you always vote Tory or Labour because you do.

 

[Astute]

Joke being that the EU is against some forms of state intervention to ensure a level playing field for companies. But G doesn’t like the evil EU.

Joke being they hide the truth when they know some are breaking international laws even when it is killing people. Then they fine the countries where the people are getting killed.

Level playing field?

They look after their own best interests. The general population in the EU come last. This is my major problem with them. Remember a couple of years ago when you said that it needs reform? You have admitted it needs reform several times since when pushed. But they have made their grip stronger.

Yes we are better off in the EU. But for how much longer? None of us know what they have planned next. And there is nothing we can do about it.

 

[Astute]

Anyone who thinks extracting yourself from a 40 year political union should be over quickly is delusional.

We won’t be done with this in our lifetimes.

It isn't a 40 year political union.

We joined a common market. Our voice has slowly been taken away. It isn't a political union. The next step down from those deciding what happens is the political level. And most do as they are told.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Long term for them is a few years. How many teenagers think much more long term than that? Most haven't even decided what they want to do for a living. But offer them incentives for the next few years and you will get their vote. Just like the majority of people. Otherwise it would be a waste of time any political party putting anything forward to the electorate.

That is unless you always vote Tory or Labour because you do.

That's my point - they're no more likely to vote for short term incentives than anyone else, but if anything they'll have more of an eye on the long term future because it'll impact them the most - youngsters are far more likely to put things like the environment higher on their list of issues than any other age group. They may not have decided what they want to do but a lot of them will be thinking about it and those that are will be thinking in more general terms as they're exploring different avenues.

 

[Grendel]

That's my point - they're no more likely to vote for short term incentives than anyone else, but if anything they'll have more of an eye on the long term future because it'll impact them the most - youngsters are far more likely to put things like the environment higher on their list of issues than any other age group. They may not have decided what they want to do but a lot of them will be thinking about it and those that are will be thinking in more general terms as they're exploring different avenues.

They vote for the party that offers free student education and that’s it.

 

[skybluetony176]

They vote for the party that offers free student education and that’s it.

What about the 70% that don’t go to university?

 

[Grendel]

What about the 70% that don’t go to university?

Have you read Sky Blue Dreamers post or again are you experiencing comprehension issues and are being the annoying schoolboy at the back?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They vote for the party that offers free student education and that’s it.

Do they really? So when they're doing vox-pops on the news and you see them talking about jobs and being able to afford a property in future I assume that's older people with make-up?

Which party do you think students vote for btw?

 

[skybluetony176]

Have you read Sky Blue Dreamers post or again are you experiencing comprehension issues and are being the annoying schoolboy at the back?

Nothing wrong with my comprehension. My point is that all exit polls in 2017 showed that all 18-24 year old were more likely to vote for Corbyn, not just the 30% that go to university between the ages of 18-21. Same goes for remain.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Do they really? So when they're doing vox-pops on the news and you see them talking about jobs and being able to afford a property in future I assume that's older people with make-up?

Which party do you think students vote for btw?

Don't forget they must also be able to afford a new mobile phone every 6 months for even better selfies, something many of us never had the benefit of.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Don't forget they must also be able to afford a new mobile phone every 6 months for even better selfies, something many of us never had the benefit of.

Because they weren't invented then

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Because they weren't invented then

Noooooooooo !
You're slightly missing the point.
....oh, and a car with Bluetooth.

 

[shmmeee]

It isn't a 40 year political union.

We joined a common market. Our voice has slowly been taken away. It isn't a political union. The next step down from those deciding what happens is the political level. And most do as they are told.

 

[djr8369]

It's actually embarrassing that after over 3 years people are still talking about this like its a commercial negotiation where the other party has a range of positions it might bargain.

This simplism is why we're marching towards fascism.

Incredible, isn’t it? People seem to have bought into the position that it’s like bartering for Knick knacks on holiday and if only we are more demanding and daring we’ll somehow get some remarkable concession.

If I hear the analogy of buying a car one more time I’ll fucking scream. If this is the analogy then no deal is demanding you get a discount else you’ll shit your pants in the show room. Sure, it’s not ideal for the dealer but it’s worse for you. Not only will have to leave you previous car there you’re walking home with shit in your pants.


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[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

That's my point - they're no more likely to vote for short term incentives than anyone else, but if anything they'll have more of an eye on the long term future because it'll impact them the most - youngsters are far more likely to put things like the environment higher on their list of issues than any other age group. They may not have decided what they want to do but a lot of them will be thinking about it and those that are will be thinking in more general terms as they're exploring different avenues.

Environmental issues yes as long as they've still got a top.notch mobile phone first and foremost and enough money for a regular dominos and Starbucks.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Because they weren't invented then

Just think, if the old had access to as varied an amount of media as the young, they wouldn't be stuck in a rut with their longing for the days when Britain was Great, and we stuck it to the Hun. They wouldn't have to rely on a select amount of duplicitous newspapers that are economical with the truth, and they might be more open-minded about the future of the country and what's best for it, rather than who gives them a free TV license.

Nor would they be so negative and paranoid with conspiracy theories over foreigners, as they'd be able to see that, in the main, they're just people, and not people who want to grasp for every free handout, taking away from the righteous and just ne'er do wells that we breed ourselves, with a long tradition in laziness and selfishness.

(Seriously, is this where we've got to? Tarring whole swathes of people with random accusations, and deciding their vote isn't as valuable? We may as well install William as Crown Prince dictator now and be done with it if that's the case)

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Just think, if the old had access to as varied an amount of media as the young, they wouldn't be stuck in a rut with their longing for the days when Britain was Great, and we stuck it to the Hun. They wouldn't have to rely on a select amount of duplicitous newspapers that are economical with the truth, and they might be more open-minded about the future of the country and what's best for it, rather than who gives them a free TV license.

Nor would they be so negative and paranoid with conspiracy theories over foreigners, as they'd be able to see that, in the main, they're just people, and not people who want to grasp for every free handout, taking away from the righteous and just ne'er do wells that we breed ourselves, with a long tradition in laziness and selfishness.

(Seriously, is this where we've got to? Tarring whole swathes of people with random accusations, and deciding their vote isn't as valuable? We may as well install William as Crown Prince dictator now and be done with it if that's the case)

How old are you ?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How old are you ?

Young enough not to have lost my marbles, old enough to be able to vote, intelligent enough to have developed the power of critical thought.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Young enough not to have lost my marbles, old enough to be able to vote, intelligent enough to have developed the power of critical thought.

Absolutely perfect then. At what age does the law of diminishing returns kick in then in terms of overall usefulness/ a burden ?
40, 50, 60, 70 ?

 

[shmmeee]

Don't forget they must also be able to afford a new mobile phone every 6 months for even better selfies, something many of us never had the benefit of.

Mate. Yearly phone upgrades is soooo 2015.

And I’d swap every piece of consumer electronics I’ve ever owned for an affordable family home.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Mate. Yearly phone upgrades is soooo 2015.
And I’d swap every piece of consumer electronics I’ve ever owned for an affordable family home.

I'm assuming you're much younger than me. Its bloody shameful youngsters can't afford property. The world's gone backwards.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Incredible, isn’t it? People seem to have bought into the position that it’s like bartering for Knick knacks on holiday and if only we are more demanding and daring we’ll somehow get some remarkable concession.

If I hear the analogy of buying a car one more time I’ll fucking scream. If this is the analogy then no deal is demanding you get a discount else you’ll shit your pants in the show room. Sure, it’s not ideal for the dealer but it’s worse for you. Not only will have to leave you previous car there you’re walking home with shit in your pants.


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It reminds me of that exceedingly richer character in Harry Enfield "Yow don't have to speak the lingo, the only language these people understand is the language of money"
The obsession with not paying the £39bn shows that obsession is on our side.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Environmental issues yes as long as they've still got a top.notch mobile phone first and foremost and enough money for a regular dominos and Starbucks.

How many people below 30 do you actually know?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Don't forget they must also be able to afford a new mobile phone every 6 months for even better selfies, something many of us never had the benefit of.

Not generalising again are we? Most brand new mobiles go to business people partly for the improvement but mostly for the image.

Of the younger generation the ones most likely to spend on stuff like new phones are the non-students. The TOWIE/Geordie Shore lot.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They vote for the party that offers free student education and that’s it.

In what is in essence a 2 party system would a young person vote for the party that:

1. Provides real terms cuts to education budgets
2. Takes away EMA and maintenance grants
3. Hikes tuition fees
4. Denies living wages to the under 25s
5. Cuts funding for youth services

Or one that pledges the opposite alongside many other popular policies? The real question is why do so many vote for a party that openly pledges to shaft the public

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

How many people below 30 do you actually know?

Lots. You ?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Not generalising again are we? Most brand new mobiles go to business people partly for the improvement but mostly for the image.
Of the younger generation the ones most likely to spend on stuff like new phones are the non-students. The TOWIE/Geordie Shore lot.

So most young people then. Not generalising of course

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

So most young people then. Not generalising of course

Originally the group under discussion were students - we were talking about them voting for whoever would offer free education. You then deflected from that by going on about mobile phones.

I was pointing out that those youngsters that do tend to buy new tech are non-students. I also pointed out that the vast amount of top new tech is bought by businesses or business people.

 

[Grendel]

Originally the group under discussion were students - we were talking about them voting for whoever would offer free education. You then deflected from that by going on about mobile phones.

I was pointing out that those youngsters that do tend to buy new tech are non-students. I also pointed out that the vast amount of top new tech is bought by businesses or business people.

30 years ago many young people thought it was s great idea to vote for a party backing CND and leaving Europe

 

[Grendel]

At least the squeaker is departing good riddance

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

30 years ago many young people thought it was s great idea to vote for a party backing CND and leaving Europe

Good for them.

 

[Grendel]

Good for them.

Then they grew up

 

[Sick Boy]

Then they grew up

And have regressed to going on about ‘the squeaker’.