I don’t believe I have ever previously mentioned it.
I don’t have a go at you, I disagree with you and provide evidence where possible. That is the sensible discussion you say you want.
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You have told me a few times now that I am wrong on the subject. Now you say you are not sure.
Will leave it at that but you do join in with others having a go at me when I point out untruthful/wrong comments. Nothing unusual there.
Hold on. We are not talking about rules in the future. We are talking about present rules.Because we are still EU members and still abide by the rules. We don’t know what the new rules are until we’ve decided how we withdraw.
Look, the EU may have overplayed Ireland, but to focus on that and ignore everything our side has balls up is ludicrous.
I didn't say this subject.I don’t believe I have ever previously mentioned it.
I don’t have a go at you, I disagree with you and provide evidence where possible. That is the sensible discussion you say you want.
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Whatever side you're on, surely you have to agree this is beyond shocking.
I didn't say this subject.
But the same as I said to Shmmeee. How could it be illegal to talk on a deal until we don't have a deal? If that was the case we couldn't leave the EU with a deal.......
We have said we want to leave the EU. We have said we want to remain in the EU. We have said we want to leave with a deal but would leave without a deal.How would an FTA help exactly? You’ve got exactly the same issue. The only thing that removes the need for a backstop is a customs union. Which we’ve said we don’t want a and isn’t an FTA.
Explain one thing then.Yes, sometimes I disagree with you. Is that not ok?
We can’t leave with a trade deal hence the withdrawal agreement (different type of deal).
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Explain one thing then.
If we can't leave with a deal why did the so called new law get passed that we can't leave without a deal?
Same questiin I asked you before. Try answering it.
It is pretty appalling. They spout it as being a momentous issue but actually are wasting time debating the why's & wherefore's of what has already happened & could/should be put to bed for now. They need to crack on & sort things out. And I agree with what most think - ALL of them & indeed ALL of us would benefit the situation by choosing our words more carefully. Views across the spectrum are just so entrenched, it becomes easy to get frustrated at not being able to shift others' viewpoint. Perhaps more restraint & respect can stop the downward spiral?
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It is exactly what I said before. I have only mentioned a trade deal.You’re conflating a trade deal with a withdrawal agreement.
It’s not the same question you asked before. As you can see I’ve tried to answer your question as phrased and you trot out your usual line of “try answering a question for once” without responding to what’s been said.
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It is exactly what I said before. I have only mentioned a trade deal.
Same question as usual that you won't point out. Show where I said what you say I did.
The reason I have only mentioned the trade deal is that it is the biggest problem with Ireland. The trade deal is only a part of a withdrawl agreement. But it is a major part of it. Most probably the biggest part of it. The one that countless jobs throuout the EU depend on. What our future relationship with the EU relies on.
But I am still not talking about the withdrawl agreement. Just mentioning it as you want me to.
It is exactly what I said before. I have only mentioned a trade deal.
Same question as usual that you won't point out. Show where I said what you say I did.
The reason I have only mentioned the trade deal is that it is the biggest problem with Ireland. The trade deal is only a part of a withdrawl agreement. But it is a major part of it. Most probably the biggest part of it. The one that countless jobs throuout the EU depend on. What our future relationship with the EU relies on.
But I am still not talking about the withdrawl agreement. Just mentioning it as you want me to.
Same questiin I asked you before. Try answering it.
It is pretty appalling. They spout it as being a momentous issue but actually are wasting time debating the why's & wherefore's of what has already happened & could/should be put to bed for now. They need to crack on & sort things out. And I agree with what most think - ALL of them & indeed ALL of us would benefit the situation by choosing our words more carefully. Views across the spectrum are just so entrenched, it becomes easy to get frustrated at not being able to shift others' viewpoint. Perhaps more restraint & respect can stop the downward spiral?
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What’s the extent of our veto? Can’t we just threaten to spend the next few years vetoeing every EU idea unless they meet us half way?
I mean our international standing isn’t very high currently.Aside from the damage that’d do to our international standing, it doesn’t help us know what we want. The issue has always been at our end. Until we know what we want, not much point using threats to get it
What’s the extent of our veto? Can’t we just threaten to spend the next few years vetoeing every EU idea unless they meet us half way?
I mean our international standing isn’t very high currently.
But I get your point. The best thing would be a general election asap. It would effectively be a referendum - Remain? Vote for Lib Dem’s - leave no deal - Tories, leave with whatever’s on offer - Labour
Yet they still won't agree to an election
I mean my idea is simplistic - but why don’t they put the simple -I genuinely don’t think an election will solve it. Geographic issues, tactical voting, other issues mixed in, we are very likely to get a similar result to what we had in 2017.
That’s why I back a referendum, politicians can’t be trusted to put an end to it while their voting records are public and their constituencies are split.
Said it over and over than the current parliament could fix it with a run off vote instead of the series of yes/no votes they did that ended up with nothing having a majority. But then they’ve got to crystallise their views and piss off half their voters.
im biased but I like Labours position as the only one that promises an end to it using democratic means. I don’t think till go down well with the public cos everyone’s in their camps now, but given a free run it’s what I’d do. Though I’d maybe have a harder brexit option for those that don’t want any connection to the EU as that’s a valid strain on political thought.
You are making things up now. Would you like ti point out where I said this?I can barely decipher what you’re going on about here.
You asked how the law prevents a no deal if a full FTA can’t be negotiated until after leaving. The answer is they are different things. I don’t know how I can word it more simply for you.
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I mean my idea is simplistic - but why don’t they put the simple -
Leave - No Deal
Leave - with what’s on offer
The previous referendum is respected, and if it Goes pear-shaped the govt can just blame the “will of the people”
With remain on the ballot you’re just going to cause riots
I agree with your first point. But the problem is they can't get it through parliament. And one main reason is we could be stuck in no mans land for ten years or more. Not in, not out yet paying for the privilege and not being able to make trade deals anywhere else.I do agree to an extent, but the problem is that is we end up leaving without a withdrawal deal (as seems to be the government’s favoured position) we have rather serious and rigorous upheaval to contend with in the short-to-medium term. There’s no guarantee that a trade deal wouldn’t take up to 10 years as seems to be the case with others. Would it not therefore make sense to make an orderly withdrawal and uphold our end of the agreement to allow for a trade deal to progress more seamlessly? In an ideal situation they would be negotiated in tandem but there’s no way of forcing the EU’s hand on this and from what I’ve read this is a drawn up order of progress.
Edit: to add to this, with us bordering part of the EU we would likely be signed to a Customs Union through that which doesn’t marry with US customs - again coming back to this government’s preferred ally (for a number of backwards reasons).
Yet they still won't agree to an election
I ask when I am accused of saying what I haven't. And as usual what I am supposed to have said can't be found.And here is where you accused me of not answering your question even though I attempted to.
Why do you do this to me? Why do I have to quote your own words from minutes ago back to you? I don’t wish to be harsh in case you have some kind of issue but it’s a fairly regular occurrence and other posters have had the same issue with you.
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I ask when I am accused of saying what I haven't. And as usual what I am supposed to have said can't be found.
I have two choices. Let people like yourself chat shit about me or point out you are chatting shit about me. This then makes the thread shit. But you know what you are doing as you have done it many times before.
Any more any will ignore you from now. Had enough of childish comments. You can find yourself another victim......unless you want to show what you say I have said.
You are making things up now. Would you like ti point out where I said this?
And how about showing evidence on it being illegal for us to have trade talks with the EU when we already have a trade deal as you seem intent on winding me up on the subject.
I ask when I am accused of saying what I haven't. And as usual what I am supposed to have said can't be found.
I have two choices. Let people like yourself chat shit about me or point out you are chatting shit about me. This then makes the thread shit. But you know what you are doing as you have done it many times before.
Any more any will ignore you from now. Had enough of childish comments. You can find yourself another victim......unless you want to show what you say I have said.
I literally just quoted it back to you!
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The Lib Dems are offering a democratic system.I genuinely don’t think an election will solve it. Geographic issues, tactical voting, other issues mixed in, we are very likely to get a similar result to what we had in 2017.
That’s why I back a referendum, politicians can’t be trusted to put an end to it while their voting records are public and their constituencies are split.
Said it over and over than the current parliament could fix it with a run off vote instead of the series of yes/no votes they did that ended up with nothing having a majority. But then they’ve got to crystallise their views and piss off half their voters.
im biased but I like Labours position as the only one that promises an end to it using democratic means. I don’t think till go down well with the public cos everyone’s in their camps now, but given a free run it’s what I’d do. Though I’d maybe have a harder brexit option for those that don’t want any connection to the EU as that’s a valid strain of political thought.
The Lib Dems are offering a democratic system.
Something on the lines of agree a deal with the EU then vote against it. When the deal gets voted down hold a referendum. But if they got a majority government....can anyone see that happening...... they would revoke article 50.
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