Sick Boy
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What motivates anyone coming forward due to sexual assault/abuse decades later?
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What motivates anyone coming forward due to sexual assault/abuse decades later?
Astute
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So here you go again. You say all sorts but when I am happy to prove you wrong yet again you say it is games by me.
No. Just had enough of your constant attacks in me. And all because I see ways out of this mess you don't agree with. It is though my opinion isn't valid but yours is. And you will come out with any old crap to 'prove' it.
Don't worry. Won't bite because of your crap again.
Sick Boy
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You make it up as you go a long and attribute opinions to people they don’t actually hold to back up your own viewpoint.
As I said, I have no time for your childish games.
skybluetony176
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The irony of this statement. The issue isn’t just free movement of goods it’s also free movement of people. This is an essential part of the GFPA and an essential part of the daily life of residence both sides of the border. Most of my family for instance work south of the border, I have a cousin who owns a large painting and decorating firm and employs people from both sides of the border, the majority of his work is south of the border and many of those sites are deep in the south. This has the potential to close his very successful business literally overnight unless he moves south of the border and stops employing people from the north, which is his contingency plan. He’s just one business of hundreds in the area reliant on EU membership paying taxes in the U.K. on money earned in a different EU country.
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clint van damme
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the only thing we can say for sure that one of the two people involved is a proven serial liar.
skybluetony176
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Beat me too it.
Astute
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More fun than having someone coming out with total rubbish constantly. The proof is all there. Over three years worth of it.
I am now starting to understand why leavers are getting vexed. I want remain but I get as much shit as they do because I just want all this crap to stop. We need to onow what is going to happen. Good or bad. We need to plan for the future.
My younger kids are in France. Their education is important. We need to know what sort of future they will have there. We can't afford to wait a few more years to find out. In, out or a bit in between. We just need to know. This bullshit needs to stop. I am coming close to what millions of others are saying. Just get it done whatever the outcome.
But no. I'm not allowed to say this. It doesn't go with we must remain whatever happens. It is OK for those who have more years to waste on the subject. We don't.
SkyblueBazza
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Especially a headstrong assertive journo. I ask myself the same question what is her motivation? Against the PM, on the eve of his first party conference as such. Is there some political or financial motivation there?
Let's face it - Bojo or a journo. Who would you believe? For me it is touch & go (pardon the pun)...No smoke without fire, although maybe she is both focusing on his actions without telling us the whole story did she encourage it or even provoke it? &/or is she blowing it out of all proportion?
Tbh, I'm not really bothered...it is an unwelcome distraction. If she feels so strongly - report it to the Police & let them deal with it accordingly. If they decide there is a case to answer then let them take Bojo to task.
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Doesn’t the backstop allow for a hybrid solution in future? Isn’t the whole point that it’s there in case any of these alternative solutions never transpired and being practical? There’s also the small issue that the ERG will vote anything down so although we can try and find a solution that is just a tiny bit different to the backstop just so the tories can say Johnson “forced them to ditch the backstop” to sound tough is it even worth the EUs time to try if it’s only going to be rejected anyway?
As we get down to the wire (again) it will be interesting to see if anything does budge or can be tweaked and how far.
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Astute
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He is a smarmy twat who I don't trust at all. But politics is full of people like him. He uses his power to his advantage. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it was true. But yes the timing is suspect. Doesn't mean it didn't happen though.
I’d be shocked if something hadn’t happened but to what level, it’s impossible to tell.
The timing is just wrong. If it was an issue, it could/should’ve been raised a long time ago (London mayor, foreign secretary appointment) or at the very least during the leadership campaign when it could influence the outcome of the PM appointment. Not a few days before we are due to submit proposals to the EU and two weeks or so before we are due to ask for an extension !
That may appear cold and uncaring (I’m not), as everyone has their reasons for not raising issues earlier and sexual assault should be taken seriously, but unfortunately these type of instances are almost impossible to prove, especially the more minor they are (when I say minor I’d talking about an unwanted touch rather than attack). So, why now ?
Ps this reminds me of the perceived bullying of Corbyn at the last election. Much of the stuff being raised was genuine/justified but then additional stuff (personal attacks)!l gets thrown in the mix and the public start siding with the individual however flawed they are.
SkyblueBazza
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Interestingly, 2 points...apparently she has revealed this to support the 2nd anniversary of the "Me too" campaign; she is currently in a relationship with Robert Peston.
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clint van damme
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Isn't it just. Shows he does put friendships above his career after all, anyway.
shmmeee
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Sorry are you trying to say it’s OK to assault a woman if she’s assertive? It seems she’s been quite open about it privately. I would hope we’ve moved on from victim blaming and understand no matter how headstrong women freeze when assaulted and often don’t see the benefit in starting a he said she said.
Personally I don’t see an issue with a thigh squeeze twenty years ago, it just tells us what we knew which is Johnson’s a creepy guy. But the idea strong women don’t get assaulted is nonsense.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You’re right, we do just need to know what is going to happen. The EU have been saying the same since Brexit was first postponed. Another referendum would have forced Parliament’s hand by now-but instead Labour and the Tories have fucked themselves
Sick Boy
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Indeed and I’m not sure there’s anyone on the forum who is “remain whatever happens”. I was labelled a remain extremist for wanting the EEA option
SkyblueBazza
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No I'm not saying it is acceptable. You appear to be as you see no issue with it. I am saying I cannot understand why an assertive young journo would keep it quiet for 20yrs until the eve of the PMs first party conference.
What makes you think she has been quite open about it privately? Oh - she has suggested that by saying she mentioned it to the woman sitting the other side of Bojo. Strange to me that if she has been so open it is only NOW surfacing. Nobody can keep a secret - someone wanting to show Boris in a bad light would've heard & fed this story to the general media a long time ago or had decided to sit on it & risk it being a non-story (which to be fair it is seeming to have turned out to be for now)
Victim blaming? Not me...I really cannot judge either party involved with any confidence. That is why I say let the police deal with it if it is an issue for her, especially 20yrs after the alleged "assault" (that you personally see nothing wrong with) actually happened.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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The timing is a bit suspect, but if she'd wanted to have a big impact on him personally I think it'd have been far more hurtful for her to have revealed it just prior to the vote for leader. Losing another leadership election would've been more wounding to Alexander that going into a party conference where he's gong to be surrounded by lackeys and Tory supporters not wanting to rock the boat.
I don't know her political leanings but she could've brought it up in the highly likely election in the next few months to get him to lose that. But if she's a Tory supporter that wouldn't be a good plan.
So the timing actually seems to be at a time when it's likely to be least damaging to Alexander - he's already leader and chances are it'll be largely forgotten by the time any election occurs. Which leads to a couple of conspiracy theories.
The first is that she and others within the profession saw more capital to be made the higher Alexander's position so as PM it's as big as he's going to get and they think he's not going to last much longer so make hay while the sun shines.
The other is a bit tin-foil, but it could have been Alexander's team that wanted it to come out now. Like I say the timing for him is probably as good as it could be being leader and not in the run up to a n election, but it takes some focus off his unlawful proroguing of parliament and his Brexit negotiations. Plus the nature of it - it doesn't reflect well on him but squeezing her thigh in terms of sexual assault is pretty low on the list - it isn't like he forced himself on her (not that for one second I'm condoning or trying to trivialise his actions - he shouldn't have done it). Could be a calculated risk on his part?
I don't know her political leanings but she could've brought it up in the highly likely election in the next few months to get him to lose that. But if she's a Tory supporter that wouldn't be a good plan.
So the timing actually seems to be at a time when it's likely to be least damaging to Alexander - he's already leader and chances are it'll be largely forgotten by the time any election occurs. Which leads to a couple of conspiracy theories.
The first is that she and others within the profession saw more capital to be made the higher Alexander's position so as PM it's as big as he's going to get and they think he's not going to last much longer so make hay while the sun shines.
The other is a bit tin-foil, but it could have been Alexander's team that wanted it to come out now. Like I say the timing for him is probably as good as it could be being leader and not in the run up to a n election, but it takes some focus off his unlawful proroguing of parliament and his Brexit negotiations. Plus the nature of it - it doesn't reflect well on him but squeezing her thigh in terms of sexual assault is pretty low on the list - it isn't like he forced himself on her (not that for one second I'm condoning or trying to trivialise his actions - he shouldn't have done it). Could be a calculated risk on his part?
shmmeee
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I don’t think a thigh squeeze alone is worthy of police action, I think it’s another piece of evidence about Johnson’s attitude to women. Just got triggered when it looked like you were using the fact she’s assertive as a reason it wasn’t true. Apologies if I went off half cocked.
SkyblueBazza
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Is it evidence? It is a simple straightforward & pretty pointless allegation to me.
Agree that it is not worthy of police investigation...although they would have to decide upon that...which again raises suspicion as to the real motives for raising this when she did. Given the nature of it - surely she knows the police will only really be able to shrug & say 'what do you want us to do?' (Even if the other woman came forward with the same allegation)
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fernandopartridge
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Oh I can't be bothered
shmmeee
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Sorry I meant if true it’s not police action it’s evidence. And as for why do it, why not? Maybe you want people to know what sort of person he is before an election. Why say anything about anything ever?
Not sure I like this habit of not believing women as a default is all. I believed those in Labour that said Prescott Jr was a perv and I believe this considering the likes of Rudd and Hancock have backed her up with no reason to. It also fits what we know about him from his own words TBH, he’s clearly got archaic views on women IMO.
Astute
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Just been reading the latest news. Read this article then looked at the comments. Click on highest ratings and take a look. Was surprised myself as it is the BBC website
Corbyn must head 'interim government' - Labour
Brighton Sky Blue
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If it really is a power grab it’s a funny one as again the polls show a GE would be insanity for Labour. Of course for Lib Dems and SNP they have nothing to lose although Blackford seems like he will lose his seat.
shmmeee
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Haven’t gone to look but BBC comments sections have been full of far right trolls for some time.
shmmeee
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Guido Fawkes is the absolute worst I’ve ever seen. And I spent time on 4chan.
Astute
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Not at all. More in favour of remain normally. It shows that the majority agree with you on Corbyn. And they don't like the idea of McDonnell choosing who would replace BJ if he was ousted.
shmmeee
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That does surprise me TBH. Don’t get what you mean about McDonnell
Astute
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Did you read the article? Yet again he says that Corbyn should be put in place of Boris if they get him out of his seat. But hardly anyone agrees with him.
shmmeee
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You want the Shadow Chancellor to suggest someone other than his leader? But McDonnell doesn’t choose anyone he gets a vote like every other MP.
I wouldn’t worry about a GNU, they’ll never agree a leader.