Sick Boy
Super Moderator
What motivates anyone coming forward due to sexual assault/abuse decades later?
Everyone? But as it was 20yrs ago, what can you believe, & given the allegation what is there to gain other than character assassination? What has motivated her to raise it now? Politics!
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So here you go again. You say all sorts but when I am happy to prove you wrong yet again you say it is games by me.I’ve no intention of getting involved in your self-centred childish games.
So here you go again. You say all sorts but when I am happy to prove you wrong yet again you say it is games by me.
No. Just had enough of your constant attacks in me. And all because I see ways out of this mess you don't agree with. It is though my opinion isn't valid but yours is. And you will come out with any old crap to 'prove' it.
Don't worry. Won't bite because of your crap again.
This is why I don't understand why some can't comprehend that the Irish border problems, although a reality check to what would happen if a trade agreement isn't made that allows free movement of goods, should hold negotiations up.
Everyone? But as it was 20yrs ago, what can you believe, & given the allegation what is there to gain other than character assassination? What has motivated her to raise it now? Politics!
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the only thing we can say for sure that one of the two people involved is a proven serial liar.
More fun than having someone coming out with total rubbish constantly. The proof is all there. Over three years worth of it.Arguable
What motivates anyone coming forward due to sexual assault/abuse decades later?
We’ll find out this/next week I guess !
As I said before, offer to give UK (or at least NI) the ability to veto changes in EU trade law during the backstop period ?
Take a view on this hybrid solution (mixture of tech solution and NI remaining under same agri arrangement) ie accepting a slightly imperfect solution ?
The issue won’t be resolved until a final trade agreement is reached (as astute and I have indicated previously), that’s why it should’ve be discussed concurrently. Barnier wanted the additional leverage from the chosen sequencing (not blaming him, I would’ve as well)
the only thing we can say for sure that one of the two people involved is a proven serial liar.
But no. I'm not allowed to say this. It doesn't go with we must remain whatever happens. .
He is a smarmy twat who I don't trust at all. But politics is full of people like him. He uses his power to his advantage. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it was true. But yes the timing is suspect. Doesn't mean it didn't happen though.Especially a headstrong assertive journo. I ask myself the same question what is her motivation? Against the PM, on the eve of his first party conference as such. Is there some political or financial motivation there?
Let's face it - Bojo or a journo. Who would you believe? For me it is touch & go (pardon the pun)...No smoke without fire, although maybe she is both focusing on his actions without telling us the whole story did she encourage it or even provoke it? &/or is she blowing it out of all proportion?
Tbh, I'm not really bothered...it is an unwelcome distraction. If she feels so strongly - report it to the Police & let them deal with it accordingly. If they decide there is a case to answer then let them take Bojo to task.
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the only thing we can say for sure that one of the two people involved is a proven serial liar.
Interestingly, 2 points...apparently she has revealed this to support the 2nd anniversary of the "Me too" campaign; she is currently in a relationship with Robert Peston.I’d be shocked if something hadn’t happened but to what level, it’s impossible to tell.
The timing is just wrong. If it was an issue, it could/should’ve been raised a long time ago (London mayor, foreign secretary appointment) or at the very least during the leadership campaign when it could influence the outcome of the PM appointment. Not a few days before we are due to submit proposals to the EU and two weeks or so before we are due to ask for an extension !
That may appear cold and uncaring (I’m not), as everyone has their reasons for not raising issues earlier and sexual assault should be taken seriously, but unfortunately these type of instances are almost impossible to prove, especially the more minor they are (when I say minor I’d talking about an unwanted touch rather than attack). So, why now ?
Ps this reminds me of the perceived bullying of Corbyn at the last election. Much of the stuff being raised was genuine/justified but then additional stuff (personal attacks)!l gets thrown in the mix and the public start siding with the individual however flawed they are.
Isn't it just. Shows he does put friendships above his career after all, anyway.That's a bit strange.
Especially a headstrong assertive journo. I ask myself the same question what is her motivation? Against the PM, on the eve of his first party conference as such. Is there some political or financial motivation there?
Let's face it - Bojo or a journo. Who would you believe? For me it is touch & go (pardon the pun)...No smoke without fire, although maybe she is both focusing on his actions without telling us the whole story did she encourage it or even provoke it? &/or is she blowing it out of all proportion?
Tbh, I'm not really bothered...it is an unwelcome distraction. If she feels so strongly - report it to the Police & let them deal with it accordingly. If they decide there is a case to answer then let them take Bojo to task.
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More fun than having someone coming out with total rubbish constantly. The proof is all there. Over three years worth of it.
I am now starting to understand why leavers are getting vexed. I want remain but I get as much shit as they do because I just want all this crap to stop. We need to onow what is going to happen. Good or bad. We need to plan for the future.
My younger kids are in France. Their education is important. We need to know what sort of future they will have there. We can't afford to wait a few more years to find out. In, out or a bit in between. We just need to know. This bullshit needs to stop. I am coming close to what millions of others are saying. Just get it done whatever the outcome.
But no. I'm not allowed to say this. It doesn't go with we must remain whatever happens. It is OK for those who have more years to waste on the subject. We don't.
Once again you just did say it.
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Sorry are you trying to say it’s OK to assault a woman if she’s assertive? It seems she’s been quite open about it privately. I would hope we’ve moved on from victim blaming and understand no matter how headstrong women freeze when assaulted and often don’t see the benefit in starting a he said she said.
Personally I don’t see an issue with a thigh squeeze twenty years ago, it just tells us what we knew which is Johnson’s a creepy guy. But the idea strong women don’t get assaulted is nonsense.
No I'm not saying it is acceptable. You appear to be as you see no issue with it. I am saying I cannot understand why an assertive young journo would keep it quiet for 20yrs until the eve of the PMs first party conference.
What makes you think she has been quite open about it privately? Oh - she has suggested that by saying she mentioned it to the woman sitting the other side of Bojo. Strange to me that if she has been so open it is only NOW surfacing. Nobody can keep a secret - someone wanting to show Boris in a bad light would've heard & fed this story to the general media a long time ago or had decided to sit on it & risk it being a non-story (which to be fair it is seeming to have turned out to be for now)
Victim blaming? Not me...I really cannot judge either party involved with any confidence. That is why I say let the police deal with it if it is an issue for her, especially 20yrs after the alleged "assault" (that you personally see nothing wrong with) actually happened.
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I don’t think a thigh squeeze alone is worthy of police action, I think it’s another piece of evidence about Johnson’s attitude to women. Just got triggered when it looked like you were using the fact she’s assertive as a reason it wasn’t true. Apologies if I went off half cocked.
No I'm not saying it is acceptable. You appear to be as you see no issue with it. I am saying I cannot understand why an assertive young journo would keep it quiet for 20yrs until the eve of the PMs first party conference.
What makes you think she has been quite open about it privately? Oh - she has suggested that by saying she mentioned it to the woman sitting the other side of Bojo. Strange to me that if she has been so open it is only NOW surfacing. Nobody can keep a secret - someone wanting to show Boris in a bad light would've heard & fed this story to the general media a long time ago or had decided to sit on it & risk it being a non-story (which to be fair it is seeming to have turned out to be for now)
Victim blaming? Not me...I really cannot judge either party involved with any confidence. That is why I say let the police deal with it if it is an issue for her, especially 20yrs after the alleged "assault" (that you personally see nothing wrong with) actually happened.
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Is it evidence? It is a simple straightforward & pretty pointless allegation to me.
Agree that it is not worthy of police investigation...although they would have to decide upon that...which again raises suspicion as to the real motives for raising this when she did. Given the nature of it - surely she knows the police will only really be able to shrug & say 'what do you want us to do?' (Even if the other woman came forward with the same allegation)
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Just been reading the latest news. Read this article then looked at the comments. Click on highest ratings and take a look. Was surprised myself as it is the BBC websiteYou’re right, we do just need to know what is going to happen. The EU have been saying the same since Brexit was first postponed. Another referendum would have forced Parliament’s hand by now-but instead Labour and the Tories have fucked themselves
Just been reading the latest news. Read this article then looked at the comments. Click on highest ratings and take a look. Was surprised myself as it is the BBC website
Corbyn must head 'interim government' - Labour
Just been reading the latest news. Read this article then looked at the comments. Click on highest ratings and take a look. Was surprised myself as it is the BBC website
Corbyn must head 'interim government' - Labour
Haven’t gone to look but BBC comments sections have been full of far right trolls for some time.
Agree, absolute cesspit usually.
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Not at all. More in favour of remain normally. It shows that the majority agree with you on Corbyn. And they don't like the idea of McDonnell choosing who would replace BJ if he was ousted.Haven’t gone to look but BBC comments sections have been full of far right trolls for some time.
Not at all. More in favour of remain normally. It shows that the majority agree with you on Corbyn. And they don't like the idea of McDonnell choosing who would replace BJ if he was ousted.
Did you read the article? Yet again he says that Corbyn should be put in place of Boris if they get him out of his seat. But hardly anyone agrees with him.That does surprise me TBH. Don’t get what you mean about McDonnell
Did you read the article? Yet again he says that Corbyn should be put in place of Boris if they get him out of his seat. But hardly anyone agrees with him.
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