Otis
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BBC News -
No-deal Brexit 'to push UK debt to 50-year high'
But we all already knew that......right?
No-deal Brexit 'to push UK debt to 50-year high'
But we all already knew that......right?
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (24 Viewers)
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fernandopartridge
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It implies that the deal was ever sea ready in the first place. The BBC is pathetic.
I’d say that’s quite inappropriate and clearly intentional. As if those are the first terms that would come to mind when trying to be descriptive.
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SkyblueBazza
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You might be right or it might just be a case of quite clearly we have not been told...yet?
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SkyblueBazza
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Oh my...the Daily Mail. You'll be voting Brexit Party next, out of some warped sympathy or whatever it was when you voted UKIP.
Alright, thanks for the news update...it has actually been going on for donkey's years & will no doubt continue with or without Trump's 'wall'
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clint van damme
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you seriously think Liam Fox wouldn't be shouting from the roof tops if he was the only minister connected with this shit show who had actually achieved his remit?
Philosoraptor
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A thread I don't post in usually.
The Labour position of either their deal or remain in the EU after another referendum is something I really just can't get my head around.
if we are to have a second referendum, which to me seems to just ignores the democratic will of the first referendum, shouldn't the choices be between a no deal break from the EU, and the revised deal labour potentially has to offer.
The Labour position of either their deal or remain in the EU after another referendum is something I really just can't get my head around.
if we are to have a second referendum, which to me seems to just ignores the democratic will of the first referendum, shouldn't the choices be between a no deal break from the EU, and the revised deal labour potentially has to offer.
Otis
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Well my tenpence worth is, we had the referendum and should have left the EU. 3 and a half years of wrangling though has proven that a deal cannot get through parliament and no deal is looking like it will be a really bad option for the country for the foreseeable future. So many MP's against that very concept of it based on it being detrimental to the economy and to the people of this land.
What we are therefore left with is to go back to the country with it or scrap it altogether.
The second option seems grossly unfair, so we are left with first option only.
Unless someone conjures up a wonderful deal. Not going to happen though is it.
What we are therefore left with is to go back to the country with it or scrap it altogether.
The second option seems grossly unfair, so we are left with first option only.
Unless someone conjures up a wonderful deal. Not going to happen though is it.
skybluetony176
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Of course it is. We have the power of positive thinking and everyone is falling over themselves to beg us to deal with them.
The only thing that Brexit seems to have proven is that we’re no more relevant as a country than any other in the EU and on that basis we’re simply outnumbered regardless of how positive we are.
ccfc92
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A bit like when Remain effectively said we wouldn't be able to travel to the EU. Yeah, because Spain, Greece etc can really turn away their biggest revenue stream...
skybluetony176
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I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make there other than the threat to tourism wasn’t an ace up our sleeve the same as French cheese and German cars wasn’t.
ccfc92
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That's because we had a tentative one foot in, one foot out negotiation strategy.
shmmeee
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It’s not a deal!!!
It’s a proposal. May had a deal. It’s no more a deal than me asking the Ferrari dealership to sell me one for £1
SkyBlueDom26
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It was a deal..... Boris presented it to them and Merkel and his mates have countered it and made it impossible to agree to
shmmeee
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We don’t have a negotiating strategy. We don’t know what we want. We know a bunch of shit we don’t want, some of which is mutually exclusive.
We’re like my ex wife whenever we went out to eat. “Where do you want to go?” “Anywhere” “How about X?” “Oh no, not there”.
JUST PICK A FUCKING RESTAURANT KAREN!!
shmmeee
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No mate. We asked for there not to be a border and refused to say how it’d work. It was designed to fail. Literally everyone knows this. The only people who don’t seemingly are those that believe every word the government says without question.
Labour didn't lead us into this apocafuckup. That's like criticising the 9/11 cleanup op. But you just get on with it, eh?
Philosoraptor
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I am a fan of Democracy. I think both the main parties lead us in to this with the idea of not asking the people with whom they are meant to represent their views on the subject. If you ignore us joining the common market for the moment, the EU was dreamt up in Thatcher's time and not a referendum on what has changed much of how we live and what we do with our lives, until three years ago by any of the parties, is the biggest travesty of them all.
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SkyBlueDom26
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Haha I'm a fan of democracy too, shame most people on this thread aren't
fellatio_Martinez
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You were totally justified in killing her and hiding the body.
shmmeee
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If you’re a fan of Democracy, you’ll hate Brexit. Considering it’s against the current will of the people according to polls and has been for two years and also involves overriding our democratically elected representatives.
shmmeee
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What are your thoughts on the democratically elected representatives of the people?
SkyBlueDom26
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No comparison is it. We shall see at the next elections if the representatives will change due to them not respecting the majority of what people voted for
shmmeee
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You saying people didn’t know what they were voting for in 2017? That voters were poorly informed and we need another vote now the facts have come to light?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Think all the slimey individuals who jumped to the Dems or to ‘Change UK’ (or in Umunna’s case both) should face the music on that basis too.
fellatio_Martinez
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Most of the people that voted leave did so because they thought it would stop mass immigration, not realising that the government will just make up the numbers with immigration from the rest of the world i.e Africa and Asia.
It's a rather big detail that Farage and co conveniently left out when they were pushing for Brexit.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Did he, a prominent Leave figure and the first Brexit secretary, not say that?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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This is utter tosh at its absolute best.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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How long have you known that Merkel is a bloke ?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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..they're fans of democracy until things don't go their way.
Brighton Sky Blue
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If public opinion has turned against Brexit should it still happen?
Otis
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Same could be labelled at many a leave supporter too.
Things aren't going their way at the moment so they are demanding a leave at any cost to the country policy.
The way I see it, we voted to leave, but that surely cannot be at any cost, to leave no matter how bad and detrimental that would be for the country.
Common sense must prevail and there is very little on display across all parties.
Philosoraptor
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Only one poll that counts. That would be the referendum which holds the democratic mandate of around 33 million voters.
On a side note political parties would wish to have a political mandate like that.
fernandopartridge
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Given that we're a parliamentary democracy and that there has been a general election since then where both main parties campaigned on the basis of a deal I'd say that trumps whatever the perceived outcome of the referendum was