SkyBlueDom26
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Keep dreaming haha
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (54 Viewers)
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Keep dreaming haha
Grendel
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not a chance of revocation - looks like two of Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnells bucket list may be ticked on Saturday - Irish unification and exit from the Eu
SkyBlueDom26
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You think Irish unification could be a possibility?
shmmeee
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Would be a bold Conservative and Unionist Party PM who brings about Irish unity.
I think this deal makes it more likely going forward though, which is why the DUP hate it. Also makes Scottish independence more likely. Support has been growing anyway and the hardest of Brexits will only accelerate that.
Can’t wait for the next few decades on constant trade talks and random shit getting more expensive or unavailable cos we don’t have trade deals though.
Grendel
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The agreement made in the act of surrender clearly allows for this eventuality if the Northern Ireland people want it
clint van damme
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will the people of the Republic want it?
They dropped their constitutional claim to it a long time ago.
SkyBlueDom26
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This deal has got remoaners rattled :emoji_joy:
Grendel
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Would be a bold Conservative and Unionist Party PM who brings about Irish unity.
I think this deal makes it more likely going forward though, which is why the DUP hate it. Also makes Scottish independence more likely. Support has been growing anyway and the hardest of Brexits will only accelerate that.
Can’t wait for the next few decades on constant trade talks and random shit getting more expensive or unavailable cos we don’t have trade deals though.
It has nothing to do with the PM - the Belfast treaty allows a referendum in these circumstances and it can be repeated every 7 years
as for Scottish independence it’s fascinating that people believe WTO terms with its biggest trading partner and centuries of legislation that needs to be revisited is a good and tenable idea when it suits
Grendel
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the terms imply they may have no choice and if they opposed it I’m sure the many on here who are want peace in NI would be truly outraged if they prevented unification
Grendel
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Probably - Nick Robinson who hardly comes across as a Johnson fan admits it’s a no lose situation for him on Saturday
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
By giving major concessions?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Wishful and positive thinking aren't going to make a difference, the DUP don't just 'get on side'.
shmmeee
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“Me blowing a hole in our own boat has really got the no-hole people rattled”
“Tanking my economy to own the Libs”
Fucks sake. Talk about play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Not gonna get pulled into any arguments on here because frankly I'm passed it and there is no need, but I was talking to one of my former clients who is based in Dublin and he has said he thinks there is a chance of a united Ireland once again, something he said he never thought would happen in his lifetime.
chiefdave
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What has actually changed? At first glance this seems worse, or at best the same, as the May deal which led to Johnson resigning from the cabinet declaring it "the worst of all worlds" and JRM labelled "cretinous".
Seem the only difference is moving from pushing the border issue down the line via a backstop arrangement to conceding a border is actually needed breaching one of the governments own red lines. Having admitted that there needs to be a border somewhere it seems the DUP is now being 'incentivised', or bribed, to accept NI operating under a different agreement to the rest of the UK.
Essentially we've gone full circle back to the start of negotiations and the deal the EU offered May which she dismissed saying "no British PM could accept".
Seem the only difference is moving from pushing the border issue down the line via a backstop arrangement to conceding a border is actually needed breaching one of the governments own red lines. Having admitted that there needs to be a border somewhere it seems the DUP is now being 'incentivised', or bribed, to accept NI operating under a different agreement to the rest of the UK.
Essentially we've gone full circle back to the start of negotiations and the deal the EU offered May which she dismissed saying "no British PM could accept".
shmmeee
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Yeah pretty much
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Let’s hope so! It’s about time
fernandopartridge
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The DUP's false concern for the GFA is heartening, it feels like a time of reckoning for unionism, what does it actually mean?
SkyBlueDom26
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Absolute clowns, they will lose so many votes in the next elections
skybluetony176
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Oh no it isn’t
Seriously though I’m starting to see members of my own family say they’d be better off as part of Ireland rather than the U.K.
fernandopartridge
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Nick Robinson LOL, him, Peston, Kuenssberg are an embarrassment to the journalist profession.
fernandopartridge
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What don't you like about being able to cast your vote in favour of Boris' brilliant deal? If they'll lose 'so many votes' then that means a second referendum is a foregone conclusion doesn't it?
skybluetony176
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It might mean that the assembly will have to be reconvened. Sammy Wilson saying nationalist and unionist must both okay it. Might just be a tactic for sharing the blame but until the assembly is sitting again I can’t see how else both sides can agree in any official legally binding way.
chiefdave
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This is what I don't understand. The leavers say leave is 'the will of the people' therefore any second vote is an easy win for them yet they are the ones who seem dead against it.
I get the idea that it was a referendum and you shouldn't be having those every 5 minutes but at this point surely easier to just have another vote, win it easily and be able to say told you do to the remainers.
SkyBlueDom26
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Leave will 100% win again, then moaning will take place until a 3rd ref happens
skybluetony176
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You make the next one legally binding. It isn’t difficult.
fernandopartridge
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Juncker has said now there is a deal there will be no further extension. We're at shite deal vs no deal.
Edit - sounds like what Juncker has said has been misreported. It isn't shite deal vs no deal
Edit - sounds like what Juncker has said has been misreported. It isn't shite deal vs no deal
chiefdave
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Just make the second one legally binding. If, as you say, its a 100% certainty leave would win why would any leaver be against a legally binding second referendum?
SkyBlueDom26
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Because in 2016 what did we have?????????
fernandopartridge
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An advisory referendum
We're not a direct democracy so couldn't have a legally binding one as far as I'm aware as it removes parliamentary sovereignty
SkyBlueDom26
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Thank fuck for that!
chiefdave
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We had an advisory referendum in 2016 which has led to this shitshow. So, as you've stated leave are 100% guaranteed to win a second referendum, why would you not be in favour of a second legally binding referendum?
All the arguments that people have changed their mind, didn't know no deal was a possibility, hadn't considered the situation in Ireland etc would be gone and the result would be legally binding.
Why are leavers against a vote that would make what they want legally enforceable?