The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (244 Viewers)

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'Good riddance!' Croatia's humorous farewell to UK

 

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[Grendel]

You used "you're" instead of "he's" as you were messaging me about a third party.
Basic writing clearly not your strong point .

He’s also talking nonsense and hasn’t a clue about the subject in hand. I would like him to answer where UK customers receive their vehicles from.

I would also like to know his knowledge from his experience of dealings with the Korean government. It’s truly staggering though they Tony has for years rubbished Liam Fox and that trade deals take years yet now seems to accept that they can literally be done in a matter of weeks

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You're not quite all ther

I know that but you said I claimed to be big in the car industry. I've never worked in the car industry.
I'm not the one clueless. You need to get your facts right .

jeez, you seem to positively enjoy being made to look silly

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You used "you're" instead of "he's" as you were messaging me about a third party.
Basic writing clearly not your strong point .

Lol, says you!

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

He’s also talking nonsense and hasn’t a clue about the subject in hand. I would like him to answer where UK customers receive their vehicles from.

I would also like to know his knowledge from his experience of dealings with the Korean government. It’s truly staggering though they Tony has for years rubbished Liam Fox and that trade deals take years yet now seems to accept that they can literally be done in a matter of weeks

I'm sure you'll get the top boy ROS interjecting on his behalf. I wouldn't have a clue where cars come from because my degree is from the university of life and not an academic degree, according to shmeee, because leavers can't have academic degrees (I'm guessing)

 

[Grendel]

You're not quite all ther

jeez, you seem to positively enjoy being made to look silly

Tony has just admitted we can do trade deals in a matter of weeks even with the most difficult country from my old companies experience to do business with and Liam Fox is a smooth operator. This is sensational news isn’t it and helps us to dispel a lot of fears and myths surely?

 

[skybluetony176]

I think you are confusing people Tony. It’s me you are talking about and I’m afraid again you are confused.

This was a hastily arranged agreement in the case of no deal as your article references. However it’s irrelevant once we agree an actual trading arrangement and as I said there was a huge issue regarding homologation issues regarding a model year certification regardless of this so called deal

Good to see you have gone back to your roots though Tony as now are believing Liam Fox and the Tories, you’ll be back supporting UKIP soon

Guess where cars are warehoused are the moment from Korea Tony for uk customers ?

Wrong poster, link that’s irrelevant and something you can’t understand and now supporting Liam Fox

Well done Tony

Actually it’s one of the many continuation deals we always needed from day one and still need to get done. Hard brexit or not.

Nice try though. You knew nothing about it despite bigging yourself up as being someone who definitely would have been aware of it. I’d shut up now if I was you and stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Nice try though. You knew nothing about it despite bigging yourself up as being someone who definitely would have been aware of it. I’d shut up now if I was you and stop embarrassing yourself.

Surely you'd prefer him to continue if he's going to look an idiot ? I would.

 

[Grendel]

Actually it’s one of the many continuation deals we always needed from day one and still need to get done. Hard brexit or not.

Nice try though. You knew nothing about it despite bigging yourself up as being someone who definitely would have been aware of it. I’d shut up now if I was you and stop embarrassing yourself.

What does the first paragraph on your article say Tony?

Where are the cars currently supplied from?

What experience do you have regarding negotiations from a business perspective with Korea (Sick Boy clearly has)

Can you answer these questions then I will continue the conversation

Also can you please discuss the certification issue and why that throws Mr Fox claims into disripute?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Tony has just admitted we can do trade deals in a matter of weeks even with the most difficult country from my old companies experience to do business with and Liam Fox is a smooth operator. This is sensational news isn’t it and helps us to dispel a lot of fears and myths surely?

Well unfortunately you’re merely twisting words again. Most things you say tend to be embedded in an attempt to deflect and bend reality, which works of course on the simpletons such as Dugdale and Dom, however it just leaves me doubting your credibility and not really believing the various points that you bend, twist, manipulate and then subsequently present as ‘fact’.

 

[skybluetony176]

He’s also talking nonsense and hasn’t a clue about the subject in hand. I would like him to answer where UK customers receive their vehicles from.

I would also like to know his knowledge from his experience of dealings with the Korean government. It’s truly staggering though they Tony has for years rubbished Liam Fox and that trade deals take years yet now seems to accept that they can literally be done in a matter of weeks

I don’t know where U.K. customers receive their cars from. I do know that we signed a continuity deal with South Korea in June last year though. As would you if you were as important as you think you are in the car industry.

Wait. The penny has just dropped. You work in the car industry but not in the position you make out, hence you didn’t know that we’d already signed the deal. Yet you know where U.K. customers collect their cars from so I’m going to go with something like valeting or security at that site. Mmmm. You’ve always got far too much spare time on your hands to do valeting so I’m going to have to go with security guard. I’m right aren’t I?

 

[skybluetony176]

What does the first paragraph on your article say Tony?

Where are the cars currently supplied from?

What experience do you have regarding negotiations from a business perspective with Korea (Sick Boy clearly has)

Can you answer these questions then I will continue the conversation

Also can you please discuss the certification issue and why that throws Mr Fox claims into disripute?

Why wasn’t you aware that the deal you were telling everyone was so important was already done?

 

[Grendel]

Well unfortunately you’re merely twisting words again. Most things you say tend to be embedded in an attempt to deflect and bend reality, which works of course on the simpletons such as Dugdale and Dom, however it just leaves me doubting your credibility and not really believing the various points that you bend, twist, manipulate and then subsequently present as ‘fact’.

Tony has shown a link from the guardian -you know the same paper that provided a link regarding the Nissan statement

One of the biggest arguments against leaving is the inability to do trade deals - I believe you’ve mocked it - Tony says we’ve got one signed sealed and delivered with a very influential and extremely difficult trading partner. So that removes a key concern of yours doesn’t it?

 

[Grendel]

Why wasn’t you aware that the deal you were telling everyone was so important was already done?

It hasn’t Tony - what does the first paragraph say?

 

[Grendel]

Surely you'd prefer him to continue if he's going to look an idiot ? I would.

Tony is angry man. He also doesn’t realise this agreement is now not even valid and was not even workable anyway - oh well

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Tony has shown a link from the guardian -you know the same paper that provided a link regarding the Nissan statement

One of the biggest arguments against leaving is the inability to do trade deals - I believe you’ve mocked it - Tony says we’ve got one signed sealed and delivered with a very influential and extremely difficult trading partner. So that removes a key concern of yours doesn’t it?

Case in point- deflect and wriggle, and the complete inability to answer being a very effective way to continue removing your credibility as a self proclaimed ‘expert in the field’.

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony has just admitted we can do trade deals in a matter of weeks even with the most difficult country from my old companies experience to do business with and Liam Fox is a smooth operator. This is sensational news isn’t it and helps us to dispel a lot of fears and myths surely?

Actually I haven’t. Again, you would know that if you had a clue about what you’re trying to talk about. It’s a continuation deal. The deal was already done, it’s the deal we enjoyed as EU members, we’ve very simply signed a continuation of the deal for when we left.

 

[Grendel]

Case in point- deflect and wriggle, and the complete inability to answer being a very effective way to continue removing your credibility as a self proclaimed ‘expert in the field’.

The arrangement was an attempt to stop issues with companies supplying continuous trade to non EU countries who were part of the trading arrangements the EU benefit from - in other words avoid a hard brexit type arrangement where cars could be stuck on a boat literally and not supplied

We now are supplying goods under the transition arrangement so it’s invalid

It’s invalid for Korea supplying to us due to the supply process. Once we have a deal with the EU there will be issues for them supplying to us. It will require restructuring which is why Nissan have stated what they have as well - as the Far East markets want to supply its most profitable European market without major losses to its margins

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony has shown a link from the guardian -you know the same paper that provided a link regarding the Nissan statement

One of the biggest arguments against leaving is the inability to do trade deals - I believe you’ve mocked it - Tony says we’ve got one signed sealed and delivered with a very influential and extremely difficult trading partner. So that removes a key concern of yours doesn’t it?

It doesn’t matter what news outlet I linked. They all covered it and as I’ve already said the government made a fanfare of it as it was the first continuity deal we signed with an Asian country. Somehow though you completely missed it. Not just at the time but also this week when you were telling everyone that you had your finger on the pulse and how common sense would prevail and the deal would be done. It was already done you mentalist.

 

[Grendel]

Actually I haven’t. Again, you would know that if you had a clue about what you’re trying to talk about. It’s a continuation deal. The deal was already done, it’s the deal we enjoyed as EU members, we’ve very simply signed a continuation of the deal for when we left.

What does the first paragraph say?

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony is angry man. He also doesn’t realise this agreement is now not even valid and was not even workable anyway - oh well

Trust me. It’s impossible to be angry when I’m belly laughing at every post you’re making right now. This is priceless.

 

[Grendel]

It doesn’t matter what news outlet I linked. They all covered it and as I’ve already said the government made a fanfare of it as it was the first continuity deal we signed with an Asian country. Somehow though you completely missed it. Not just at the time but also this week when you were telling everyone that you had your finger on the pulse and how common sense would prevail and the deal would be done. It was already done you mentalist.

Why will you not answer a single question I’ve asked Tony?

You seem a bit angry? You know this arrangement doesn’t exist - yes?

 

[skybluetony176]

What does the first paragraph say?

The fact that you’re asking only proves you’re clueless. The deal was signed in August. Again you would know if you were ever in the position you claimed to be in. The scenario that you were fretting over saying common sense will prevail just the other day has already been averted. You would not have been saying those things if you knew what you were going on about and what has happened.

 

[Grendel]

Never realised that the E.U./South Korea FTA was so comprehensive. Interestingly it’s also one of the FTA’s Fox hasn’t secured a roll over for.

Oh dear

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The arrangement was an attempt to stop issues with companies supplying continuous trade to non EU countries who were part of the trading arrangements the EU benefit from - in other words avoid a hard brexit type arrangement where cars could be stuck on a boat literally and not supplied

We now are supplying goods under the transition arrangement so it’s invalid

It’s invalid for Korea supplying to us due to the supply process. Once we have a deal with the EU there will be issues for them supplying to us. It will require restructuring which is why Nissan have stated what they have as well - as the Far East markets want to supply its most profitable European market without major losses to its margins

On a side note, your choice of words indicates that you are confident that a deal with the EU will indeed be made. Excluding this stupid “Australia agreement”, do you think that a deal will be made, and more importantly will it be the type of deal that was promised to Brexit voters, as opposed to just “a” deal?

 

[skybluetony176]

Why will you not answer a single question I’ve asked Tony?

You seem a bit angry? You know this arrangement doesn’t exist - yes?

You should tell Liz Truss and Yoo Myung-Hee that then. They think they signed the documents in August last year. The car industry was even referenced in the government’s official press release. Clearly above the pay grade of Jim the gateman.
UK and Korea to sign trade continuity deal to ensure businesses are ready to trade post-Brexit
The UK and Korea will today (Thursday 22 August) sign a continuity Free Trade Agreement that will allow businesses to keep trading freely after Brexit on Thursday 31 October. Secretary of State for International Trade, Liz Truss and the Korean Minister of Trade, Yoo Myung-Hee will meet in London to sign the agreement, protecting annual trade flows between the two countries, with total trade worth £14.6 billion in 2018.

This agreement, when brought into force, will allow businesses to keep trading freely after we leave the EU on 31 October, safeguarding British jobs in key sectors including manufacturing, technology and professional services.

The agreement will help to further strengthen the trading relationship between the UK and Korea that has already increased by an average of 12% per year since the EU-Korea Free Trade Agreement was signed in 2011.

Trade continuity agreements signed so far now cover countries accounting for £89 billion of trade, an increase from £39 billion in March 2019.

Secretary of State for International Trade Liz Truss MP said:
My priority is to make sure that British businesses are fully prepared for Brexit and ready to trade on Thursday 31 October. That’s why I’m delighted to sign this trade deal today with one of the biggest markets covered by existing EU trade agreements.

It will allow businesses like Bentley and Denby to keep trading as they do today, and they will be able to take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit offers.

The UK-Korea FTA replicates, as far as possible, the effects of the EU-Korea trade deal, allowing businesses to continue to benefit from preferential terms. In 2017, there were 6,900 British businesses exporting goods to Korea, worth around £5.8 billion.

Trade Minister Yoo said:
Today’s signing of the FTA will remove much Brexit uncertainty out of our long, valuable economic partnership.

In this challenging time, we took a proactive step, and as a result, our Free Trade Agreement today sends a signal to the world of our strong, collective support for free, open, rules-based trade.

Building on today’s signing, I hope to see further deepening of our economic partnership, and Korea and the UK walking together on the path of prosperity and a brighter future.

The news has been welcomed by businesses in industries such as automotive, technology, renewable energy, retail and ceramics. Some of the fastest growing exports to Korea include the sale of British cars, which increased to £943 million in 2018, up by third on the year before.

Bentley’s exports of the British classic luxury car to Korea have gone from strength to strength, with a thirty-fold increase in exports between 2006 and 2015, from 10 cars driving on Korean roads in 2006 to over 380 in 2015.

Warren Clarke, Bentley Brand Manager South Korea added:
As the first luxury car brand to enter the market in 2006 Bentley Motors sees South Korea as very significant to our future business plans. The stability this FTA brings is very much welcomed and will enable us to continue to promote the very best of British automotive engineering and craftsmanship as we grow our business in South Korea.

With our fantastic business partner here and a very strong and loyal customer base we are very excited about our future plans for the market.

Exports of ceramic products from the UK to Korea were around £17 million in 2018, an increase of 41% from 2010. Meanwhile, the UK exported £256 million of professional and management consulting services to the country in 2018, up by 8% from the previous year.

Denby, the 200-year-old company based in Derbyshire sells its 100% British-made ceramics in over 40 department stores in Korea, with its assortment of bowls proving especially popular.

Sebastian Lazell, CEO Denby Pottery Company said:
Denby is delighted that the UK-Korea Free Trade Agreement has been signed and that this can guarantee the continued free flow of goods between our two most important markets.

Denby Pottery has become the favourite choice for younger generations in Korea who love table-setting with beautifully crafted Made in England tableware and this will ensure they can continue to do so with confidence for years to come. We congratulate and thank those involved in bringing this important agreement to fruition.

The agreement signed today follows a joint statement on the terms of the agreement made by the two countries in June.

It also follows a joint statement agreed between Her Majesty’s Ambassador to the Republic of Korea and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs First Vice Minister in Seoul on Wednesday 21 August. The joint statement reaffirms our mutual commitment to human rights, counter-proliferation and trade liberalisation, and underlines both countries’ support for the rules based trading system.

The UK will publish the text of this agreement once it is laid in Parliament.

 

[Grendel]

The fact that you’re asking only proves you’re clueless. The deal was signed in August. Again you would know if you were ever in the position you claimed to be in. The scenario that you were fretting over saying common sense will prevail just the other day has already been averted. You would not have been saying those things if you knew what you were going on about and what has happened.

Tony it’s not an arrangement that applies - I have tried to explain this and that the Withdrawal agreement makes this measure an irrelevance anyway. Also my original point still I’m afraid stands as all Korea automotive product is supplied through an EU supply chain - I can’t explain and help anymore and yes you seem every so irritated

 

[Grendel]

You should tell Liz Truss and Yoo Myung-Hee that then. They think they signed the documents in August last year. The car industry was even referenced in the government’s official press release. Clearly above the pay grade of Jim the gateman.
UK and Korea to sign trade continuity deal to ensure businesses are ready to trade post-Brexit
The UK and Korea will today (Thursday 22 August) sign a continuity Free Trade Agreement that will allow businesses to keep trading freely after Brexit on Thursday 31 October. Secretary of State for International Trade, Liz Truss and the Korean Minister of Trade, Yoo Myung-Hee will meet in London to sign the agreement, protecting annual trade flows between the two countries, with total trade worth £14.6 billion in 2018.

This agreement, when brought into force, will allow businesses to keep trading freely after we leave the EU on 31 October, safeguarding British jobs in key sectors including manufacturing, technology and professional services.

The agreement will help to further strengthen the trading relationship between the UK and Korea that has already increased by an average of 12% per year since the EU-Korea Free Trade Agreement was signed in 2011.

Trade continuity agreements signed so far now cover countries accounting for £89 billion of trade, an increase from £39 billion in March 2019.

Secretary of State for International Trade Liz Truss MP said:
My priority is to make sure that British businesses are fully prepared for Brexit and ready to trade on Thursday 31 October. That’s why I’m delighted to sign this trade deal today with one of the biggest markets covered by existing EU trade agreements.

It will allow businesses like Bentley and Denby to keep trading as they do today, and they will be able to take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit offers.

The UK-Korea FTA replicates, as far as possible, the effects of the EU-Korea trade deal, allowing businesses to continue to benefit from preferential terms. In 2017, there were 6,900 British businesses exporting goods to Korea, worth around £5.8 billion.

Trade Minister Yoo said:
Today’s signing of the FTA will remove much Brexit uncertainty out of our long, valuable economic partnership.

In this challenging time, we took a proactive step, and as a result, our Free Trade Agreement today sends a signal to the world of our strong, collective support for free, open, rules-based trade.

Building on today’s signing, I hope to see further deepening of our economic partnership, and Korea and the UK walking together on the path of prosperity and a brighter future.

The news has been welcomed by businesses in industries such as automotive, technology, renewable energy, retail and ceramics. Some of the fastest growing exports to Korea include the sale of British cars, which increased to £943 million in 2018, up by third on the year before.

Bentley’s exports of the British classic luxury car to Korea have gone from strength to strength, with a thirty-fold increase in exports between 2006 and 2015, from 10 cars driving on Korean roads in 2006 to over 380 in 2015.

Warren Clarke, Bentley Brand Manager South Korea added:
As the first luxury car brand to enter the market in 2006 Bentley Motors sees South Korea as very significant to our future business plans. The stability this FTA brings is very much welcomed and will enable us to continue to promote the very best of British automotive engineering and craftsmanship as we grow our business in South Korea.

With our fantastic business partner here and a very strong and loyal customer base we are very excited about our future plans for the market.

Exports of ceramic products from the UK to Korea were around £17 million in 2018, an increase of 41% from 2010. Meanwhile, the UK exported £256 million of professional and management consulting services to the country in 2018, up by 8% from the previous year.

Denby, the 200-year-old company based in Derbyshire sells its 100% British-made ceramics in over 40 department stores in Korea, with its assortment of bowls proving especially popular.

Sebastian Lazell, CEO Denby Pottery Company said:
Denby is delighted that the UK-Korea Free Trade Agreement has been signed and that this can guarantee the continued free flow of goods between our two most important markets.

Denby Pottery has become the favourite choice for younger generations in Korea who love table-setting with beautifully crafted Made in England tableware and this will ensure they can continue to do so with confidence for years to come. We congratulate and thank those involved in bringing this important agreement to fruition.

The agreement signed today follows a joint statement on the terms of the agreement made by the two countries in June.

It also follows a joint statement agreed between Her Majesty’s Ambassador to the Republic of Korea and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs First Vice Minister in Seoul on Wednesday 21 August. The joint statement reaffirms our mutual commitment to human rights, counter-proliferation and trade liberalisation, and underlines both countries’ support for the rules based trading system.

The UK will publish the text of this agreement once it is laid in Parliament.

It. doesn’t. exist. Tony

 

[Grendel]

On a side note, your choice of words indicates that you are confident that a deal with the EU will indeed be made. Excluding this stupid “Australia agreement”, do you think that a deal will be made, and more importantly will it be the type of deal that was promised to Brexit voters, as opposed to just “a” deal?

I’ve always said a deal must and will be done. Of course it will - it has to be for both parties - business is key - I’m not sure what you mean about what Brexit voters want? I’d have settled for a Norway style as I’ve stated on here many times

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony it’s not an arrangement that applies - I have tried to explain this and that the Withdrawal agreement makes this measure an irrelevance anyway. Also my original point still I’m afraid stands as all Korea automotive product is supplied through an EU supply chain - I can’t explain and help anymore and yes you seem every so irritated

Did you read what the guy from Bentley had to say? That’s the angle that you were coming from when claiming to have your finger on the pulse. Why are you changing the direction of travel all of a sudden? Is it because you’ve been found out Jim?

 

[skybluetony176]

It. doesn’t. exist. Tony

In Grendull world. Meanwhile, in the real world UK and Korea to sign trade continuity deal to ensure businesses are ready to trade post-Brexit

 

[Grendel]

I give up Tony - odd how you made out astute was always wrong and obtuse - I can’t be bothered to explain any more

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I’ve always said a deal must and will be done. Of course it will - it has to be for both parties - business is key - I’m not sure what you mean about what Brexit voters want? I’d have settled for a Norway style as I’ve stated on here many times

match is on, talks officially suspended, we are in recess

 

[skybluetony176]

I give up Tony - odd how you made out astute was always wrong and obtuse - I can’t be bothered to explain any more

I tell you what. Instead of asking me leading questions why don’t you just tell everyone why I’m wrong. After all, you apparently have your finger on the pulse so I’m sure you’ll find it easy to show everyone where me, the U.K. Secretary of State for International Trade and the South Korean Minister of Trade have got it wrong. Jim the gateman knows best.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Trust me. It’s impossible to be angry when I’m belly laughing at every post you’re making right now. This is priceless.

Anyone who speaks like this is usually feeling the complete opposite.
You look a twat.