I don't think that's true at all. The GFA ended 30+ years of terror attacks from terrorists who make ISIS look like amateurs.
Besides, the point is that Brexit will not lead to a break up of the UK. The only party who talk about a hard border with the Republic of Ireland are the EU.
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That's bollocks. You show zero understanding of northern Ireland.
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The only party who talk about a hard border with the Republic of Ireland are the EU.
I don't think that's true at all. The GFA ended 30+ years of terror attacks from terrorists who make ISIS look like amateurs.
Besides, the point is that Brexit will not lead to a break up of the UK. The only party who talk about a hard border with the Republic of Ireland are the EU.
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Who has ever suggested a hard border?That's not true either. All the rhetoric about a hard border with the EU has come from the Brexit campaign and everyone who insists that they know what they're voted for. And that was a hard border with the EU. When we leave the EU the south of Ireland will still be in the EU therefore to keep the we know what we voted for crew happy there will have to be a hard border between the north and south. Unless of course people didn't know what they voted for. Or at least understand.
That's not true either. All the rhetoric about a hard border with the EU has come from the Brexit campaign and everyone who insists that they know what they're voted for. And that was a hard border with the EU. When we leave the EU the south of Ireland will still be in the EU therefore to keep the we know what we voted for crew happy there will have to be a hard border between the north and south. Unless of course people didn't know what they voted for. Or at least understand.
Who has ever suggested a hard border?
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Who has ever suggested a hard border?
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What's all that drivel about? Forget about campaigns. Where has the government suggested a hard border in reality? It's clearly a strong negotiating chip for both sides depending how you look at it. Politically though, I can only see that the EU would enforce a hard border.That's not true either. All the rhetoric about a hard border with the EU has come from the Brexit campaign and everyone who insists that they know what they're voted for. And that was a hard border with the EU. When we leave the EU the south of Ireland will still be in the EU therefore to keep the we know what we voted for crew happy there will have to be a hard border between the north and south. Unless of course people didn't know what they voted for. Or at least understand.
What's all that drivel about? Forget about campaigns. Where has the government suggested a hard border in reality? It's clearly a strong negotiating chip for both sides depending how you look at it. Politically though, I can only see that the EU would enforce a hard border.
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How can the EU not enforce a hard border if we leave the customs union and deny EU citizens the right of free movement? They will reciprocate. As I say, this is an entirely British created problem and I am sorry that Tony's and my relations may have to suffer.
What's all that drivel about? Forget about campaigns. Where has the government suggested a hard border in reality? It's clearly a strong negotiating chip for both sides depending how you look at it. Politically though, I can only see that the EU would enforce a hard border.
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Do Switzerland have a hard border?
Do Switzerland have a hard border?
Do Switzerland have a hard border?
As Tony says, Switzerland has agreements with the EU. We don't. We are leaving the customs union apparently. We voted for this crap. Ask KofK he will explain that everyone knew what they voted for. Only remainers try and imply that the Brexiteers didn't know what they voted for.
Of course they didn't know. No one who voted leave can have known.. or rather no one in mainland U.K. ever gave things such as the Irish border a second thought. Brexit means Brexit, out means out and that's it.
Almighty cock up.
So you have to have an agreement with the EU if you are not in the EU to prevent this border issue arising then?
So you have to have an agreement with the EU if you are not in the EU to prevent this border issue arising then?
Do Switzerland have a hard border?
Do Switzerland have a hard border?
I travelled from Italy into Switzerland last year and didn't realised I had crossed the border until I got a text from EE welcoming me to the country.
There was an outpost with a couple of guards on the way back, likewise from Switzerland into Germany. Nothing from Switzerland to Lichtenstein though. We also remained completely unchallenged throughout.
Have you ever queued up at a border with a truck load of freight or exhibition material? A colleague who sells clothing on fairs in Switzerland was moaning about the strict controls on what she brings in and the time she spends discussing things st the border. I used to have to have a "carnet de passage" and have it stamped in and out of countries. I had to have an indemnity with the Chamber of Commerce.loads of time lost at borders. That's been done away with, but you guys voted to bring it back. Apparently the UK is working on a Software which will be ready by 2019 and all EU countries will be compatible...., yes.., I am sure it will work... ha ha ha. As I say ... Enjoy..
I travelled from Italy into Switzerland last year and didn't realised I had crossed the border until I got a text from EE welcoming me to the country.
There was an outpost with a couple of guards on the way back, likewise from Switzerland into Germany. Nothing from Switzerland to Lichtenstein though. We also remained completely unchallenged throughout.
So you have to be a member of the EFTA or EEA to have an open border with the EU?
I travelled from Italy into Switzerland last year and didn't realised I had crossed the border until I got a text from EE welcoming me to the country.
There was an outpost with a couple of guards on the way back, likewise from Switzerland into Germany. Nothing from Switzerland to Lichtenstein though. We also remained completely unchallenged throughout.
Switzerland had freedom of movement and is part of the single market.
Exactly my experience.
Great to hear that some on this thread are willing to compromise and retain freedom of movement in exchange for avoiding hard borders.
Switzerland has freedom of movement and is part of the single market.
The ROI didn't join Schengen as the UK wasn't joining and they didn't want a hard border between NI and ROI. The upshot of that is that entering the UK and Ireland has always required passport control. This clearly isn't enough as we were told by the leave campaign that we needed to take back control of our borders. How exactly are we going to do that without a hard border between a non-EU and EU country?
Hasn't been decided yet has it? As with ROI they have said they don't want a hard border but if we're 'taking control of our borders' as promised then they'll have to have a hard border.How does the Isle of Man manage it?
Hasn't been decided yet has it? As with ROI they have said they don't want a hard border but if we're 'taking control of our borders' as promised then they'll have to have a hard border.
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