I'm interested in how leaving the EU will improve wage suppression? That is the issue you need to resolve to solve the second issue you mention as we have record numbers of people in work still requiring benefits to survive.I was more concerned about suppression of wages for the 20% of the workforce with the lowest qualifications, combined with which I want the benefits culture to be driven back. I say if you are capable of work then you should work & contribute to society or pay your own way and not get state handouts for year after year.
Juncker is the one we need to be kept away from negotiations. There is growing unrest in every country in the EU. He wants us to have a hard time to show everyone else what happens when you have the nerve to leave.Farage is a bigot, as well as a hypocrite, that's undeniable. He's the last man who should be anywhere near the negotiations, I'd even keep boris there ahead of him.
What is he going to hold the EU to account for? Whatever your view of the EU this isn't time for anyone to hold anyone to account, this is a time for grown up negotiations to try and get the best deal possible that is acceptable to both parties.
Juncker is the one we need to be kept away from negotiations. There is growing unrest in every country in the EU. He wants us to have a hard time to show everyone else what happens when you have the nerve to leave.
It isn't the fault of Brexit. We haven't recovered from the banking crisis yet. It is the artificially low interest rates that are causing it.True, but wage contraction is appalling and growth is poor compared to other G7 countries,(though there is still economic growth).
I've said it before, the economic indicators are very mixed at the moment and I don't think they currently point in any particular direction with regard to the health of the economy.
Name something good about him?The day junker addresses a far right rally in Germany I might agree with you.
Did the wage suppression start when we voted to leave or had it been going on for years?I'm interested in how leaving the EU will improve wage suppression? That is the issue you need to resolve to solve the second issue you mention as we have record numbers of people in work still requiring benefits to survive.
This government has overseen the biggest transfer of wealth to those at the top in history. Not sure leaving the EU is going to make them do a 180 on that, although May does seem to be doing a lot of 180s so you never know.
Most of us agree.Farage is a disgrace to this country and is nothing other an opportunistic bigot.
Farage is a disgrace to this country and is nothing other an opportunistic bigot.
Did the wage suppression start when we voted to leave or had it been going on for years?
Over supply of workers has not helped at all.
So are Corbyn and McDonnell - the difference is one is on the fringe of politics and the other two aren't.
Most of us agree.
Juncker is a disgrace to the EU. But many make excuses up for him.
What a surprise you are deflecting away from your Nigel.
Very frequently.Where has anyone on this thread made excuses for him?
Unemployment isn't at its lowest. But employment is at its highest.The country is reliant on those workers and it is unlikely actual migration will substantially fall. Isn't unemployment supposed to be at its lowest?
What incentives will there be for wages to rise outside of the EU? If you expect wages to actual start increasing, you're going to end up disappointed.
Unemployment isn't at its lowest. But employment is at its highest.
Yet the Conservatives tell us the economy recovered to pre-crisis levels in early 2014.We haven't recovered from the banking crisis yet.
Name something good about him?
It isn't the fault of Brexit. We haven't recovered from the banking crisis yet. It is the artificially low interest rates that are causing it.
What we do have is an influx of people who are happy to work on what is considered to be a low wage here. But where they come from they can earn more in a week here than they would earn in a month where they come from.
Since Brexit our economy has done much better than expected. This is because of the lies we were told. We were supposed to have millions more unemployed by now. But what we have is record employment. House prices were supposed to have crashed. But as we are still in the EU our population is still soaring. So over demand for housing is getting worse.
Farage is a bigot, as well as a hypocrite, that's undeniable. He's the last man who should be anywhere near the negotiations, I'd even keep boris there ahead of him.
What is he going to hold the EU to account for? Whatever your view of the EU this isn't time for anyone to hold anyone to account, this is a time for grown up negotiations to try and get the best deal possible that is acceptable to both parties.
Agreed. So why can't it be that way?
Agreed. So why can't it be that way?
His claims during the referendum debate suggest otherwise.
However you also get people such as kingofkings saying nonsensical things such as 'Brexit means Brexit' and that everybody knew they were voting for a hard Brexit when they went to the polls. This too, stymies debate, and silences not just the more moderate outers, but the more moderate remainers too. As with, well... just about everything, there's probably a consensus to be had in the moderate areas of both parties, where pragmatism takes over, and a culture of trying to work with the EU comes into play and deals are made because they're as good as they're likely to get, not because of ideological dictat. That, then, allows for a 'better' deal going forward as people aren't working against one another, and aren't polarised. Push people into corners, they bite against things.
You'd need to ask the government that question!
I'm not talking about the government so much. More the people that didn't really like the result so pretend to care that they want the best outcome, but in reality just want to derail the whole thing (aimed at no one in particular).
Like who?
Probably about 25% of the population at present!
How on earth are they actually derailing talks?!!
tbh, I'd say the likes of Johnson are derailing it more... along with the government's high-handed approach.Derailing Brexit.
You really think that's not been happening?
tbh, I'd say the likes of Johnson are derailing it more... along with the government's high-handed approach.
So you have just proved me right and you wrong.UK unemployment at lowest level since 1975 - but prices rise faster than pay
That's from the Telegraph, so can't be accused of socialist propaganda.
The Tories will tell you any crap to get your vote. House prices are lower in many places than before the crash. Interest rates are artificially at an historic low. When they finally go up millions will suffer. But they will have to go up because of inflation.Yet the Conservatives tell us the economy recovered to pre-crisis levels in early 2014.
And that is it?He doesn't address far right rallies.
Juncker isn't helping anything. He is a self centred twat. If he wasn't constantly coming out with what he does there would be no need for any replies like we are getting.tbh, I'd say the likes of Johnson are derailing it more... along with the government's high-handed approach.
Like SISU, they probably intended to lose :smuggrin:Be worth every penny for the shambolic Tories to own this massive fuck up!!
Still, it was hardly as embarrassing as your absurd sneering of a Tory landslide and the end of Labour.
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