No government or local authority has money by that definition, but it is common practice to put their name on things which they build. It is nothing unique for the EU. It is to show that they are doing something with the money they have received and you could argue that it shows transparency. It doesn't wind me up that they put their name on the projects that they finance - with our money.
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No government or local authority has money by that definition, but it is common practice to put their name on things which they build. It is nothing unique for the EU. It is to show that they are doing something with the money they have received and you could argue that it shows transparency. It doesn't wind me up that they put their name on the projects that they finance - with our money.
Grendel
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Of course not and we have a democratic process and the liberal party hold that view. If the majority elect them in the next election again the people through the ballot box have spoken.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I reckon Labour will end offering some sort of 2nd referendum.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
If you truly believe that you need a lesson on socialism - the irony is may dithers as she loves Europe - for McDonnell and Corbyn this is a chance to make their mentors (lord Benn) wishes become reality.
All socialists hate freedom of movement. You'll get a less harsh Brexit through the Tories.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Fortunately, as we have already seen, Corbyn will come under pressure from the party's members.
May cares about clinging onto power and is a weak leader. At the moment there is unlikely to be any kind of Brexit deal under the Tories.
Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
Hope we can see how it works with the tariffs placed on bombardier by the US. We really are in a shitty place. Thanks the 52% and for the ringleaders who continue to mislead
Grendel
Well-Known Member
He is under no pressure. He knows his members aren't going to go liberal.
fernandopartridge
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What's that got to do with the majority voting for Brexit? Trump said he'd be protectionist. He's doing as he said. It's not even tariffs on a UK company.
Not sure how TTIP is going but don't make out that we'd be much better off in the EU.
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Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It's still going to have an effect on jobs in NI, and it's a sign that any trade deal is going to be massively in their favour.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
But they have placed the tariff while we are in the EU currently. Isn't the whole point when we leave the EU we can negociate our own free trade deals.
Why shouldn't the US do what they've done. God forbid they have put their own industry and workers first. If we did that maybe thousands of tata steel workers and heavy metals industry workers wouldn't be in massive decline and looking for work. No?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Britain will be signing trade deals with world superpowers from a known position of weakness. You've said it yourself, why should they not put their own country first and take advantage of Britain?
The likes of the USA and China owe Britain nothing and will ensure that any deal is massively weighted in their favour.
Maybe countries would retaliate and impose tariffs on our goods. No?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Johnson defies PM’s Brexit strategy with call for short transition period
Yet more Tory shambles. Imagine the mocking tones if Labour were in such a state. The comments about taking a similar approach to Singapore are really going to help the poor and vunerable within our society, aren't they?
Also, what can our glorious companies do? Create more jobs? Or perhaps continue their reported trend of simply increasing export prices to ensure greater profits.
It becomes clearer and clearer by the day that a hard Tory Brexit is all about generating more wealth for the rich and nothing about helping the poor.
Yet more Tory shambles. Imagine the mocking tones if Labour were in such a state. The comments about taking a similar approach to Singapore are really going to help the poor and vunerable within our society, aren't they?
Also, what can our glorious companies do? Create more jobs? Or perhaps continue their reported trend of simply increasing export prices to ensure greater profits.
It becomes clearer and clearer by the day that a hard Tory Brexit is all about generating more wealth for the rich and nothing about helping the poor.
clint van damme
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we will have some sort of TTIPesque conditions put on us when we agree our trade deal with the US.
However, there are TTIP like conditions in the CETA deal that the EU has just agreed with Canada.
I suppose the moral of the story is, if big business wants something to happen they'll make it happen regardless of the political landscape.
Such has been the demise of our manufacturing industries over the last 50 years, China, USA and Germany export a damn site more to us than we do to them, all will want to retain and expand this market. The deals we sign will be from a position of common sense on both sides you would think ?!
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
Yes they might do. But that's the point to a free trade deal. You negotiate. You wouldn't sign a bad deal would you. No?
Both sides want their end of the deal. Hardly a big shock is it.
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Agreed - and big business loves the EU as regulatory harmonisation is what they're after
Well yes, you would sign a bad trade deal if you were an isolated country with little other choice...
And I love regulatory harmonisation.. it makes things fairer and more efficient. No problem there.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
What about the 5.1m sole traders and small businesses in this country who really struggle to pay for all this regulation and legislation. I guess we all just go out of business and everyone goes to a big multinational company who can afford the time and money on it instead. Thanks.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
What complete Bunkum. Utter tosh.
That is the same everywhere in modern society.... for example, I am sitting here checking through my time schedules for all my part time staff - which has to do with the minimum wage. A big company would have a compliance department to deal with all this. I doubt whether you will find a regulation free successful economy in or out of the EU. Greece is a country that took things easy as regards tax regulations and look what happened to them. As you say the big companies have the advantage of economy of scale.
Really? Let's see what happens when we sign a deal with Trump's USA.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
I liked your other post even though I don't think it's fair at all but you seemed to agree with me but this we won't agree on.
Why on earth would we sign a bad trade deal with trump? That's why WTO rules exist to stop that happening.
No other country in the world has to be part of a political union to get free trade and free movement of people least of all a country of britains size and economy which tbf is top 5 in the world isn't it?
At the moment I wouldn't sign anything with Trump. He hasn't a clue and everything he does is to fire up his "base". It will take years to get to that point. Trump himself says that it is possible to sign bad trade deals. NAFTA as an example.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Considering 75% of GDP is from services, we shouldn't expect to remain the 5th in the long-term.
SIR ERNIE
Well-Known Member
Dear oh dear, you have such a negative attitude don't you? Do you always look for the gloomiest possible outcome in everything you do?
So bloody glum, you need to lighten up fella. Life's good.
You and your 'like' mate Mart really are Doom and Gloom.
No. We're not. We just don't buy the arguments for Brexit. We are in a geo-political body of 28 states with 500 million citizens. We are doing relatively well and there is no pressing reason to leave. The EU is not falling apart - sorry to disappoint you, but it is under attack fom Russian social media pirates who are pumping out fake news and trying to influence people to vote for UKIP, Marine Le Pen and AfD. They have attacked the US election as well. The EU's sanctions are hurting Russia and a united Europe stands in the way of further expansion. I am happy being in and staying in the EU and want the EU to succeed. Brexit is to me guaranteed doom and gloom.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
You are seriously one deranged lunatic. Let's blame the Russians for the rise of the right. Again you put ukip in but they were a one issue party. It's a disproportionate vote that went when their mission was accomplished.
The Russians are not too fussy about the right or the left. Their objective is divide and rule. It is known that they support Marine Le Pen and AfD. That doesn't make me a lunatic. It is known that they want the EU to drop sanctions. I haven't said they are entirely to blame for the rise of the right, but if that suits their objective then they will pile in. They even aided separarist groups in California and Texas. The more disunity in the West the better. UKIP are a one issue party and so are AfD. If you introduce strict border controls and throw the refugees out they will go away and the far right will return to under 5% and therefore out of the Bundestag. When the AfD get questioned on things like pensions, they cannot give an answer and didn't mention it in their manifesto. They want a new relationship with Russia though and if questioned, they call for a dropping of EU sanctions against Russia - no surprise there.
SkyblueBazza
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I haven't read all posts on here, but lots of references to Nazi's on various threads draw much attention. I'm getting concerned about anti-Semitism in the Labour party - it does seem quite rife & although more subtle than the Nazi approach - the ultimate conclusion is probably the same.
Why is it getting just passing mention???
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Why is it getting just passing mention???
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Astute
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Some of you need to cut this crap out.
Landed at Zante this morning. Got our transfer. The place is destitute. Half built buildings all the way. Wondering what sort of place we were going to. When we arrived it was a different world. They are working 16 hours a day for 800 Euros a month. Best paid jobs around. Gave a 20E tip. Been treated like a king. Nearly 100% uk staying here. Lovely place. Lovely people. You want to know how good the EU is? Come here and hear the truth.
Landed at Zante this morning. Got our transfer. The place is destitute. Half built buildings all the way. Wondering what sort of place we were going to. When we arrived it was a different world. They are working 16 hours a day for 800 Euros a month. Best paid jobs around. Gave a 20E tip. Been treated like a king. Nearly 100% uk staying here. Lovely place. Lovely people. You want to know how good the EU is? Come here and hear the truth.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Divide and rule?
Do you think the EU worries about what happens to the poorer countries?
Austerity rules. What a fookin joke.
Yes I do think that. Blaming everything on the EU isn't the most serious way of explaining what happened to cause the crash of 2007 and 2008. Might fit in with your agenda though. Have a nice holiday. ( not sarcasm )
