Astute
Well-Known Member
We have voted out. End of.
We now need to pull together. We need to be as one to show Juncker that we want a good deal and the shit he is coming out with won't split us.
We have voted out. End of.What else is it then? Remaining silent and getting fully behind remaining in EU? Why is it that it would be fine for Leave voters to have continued the fight, yet we are expected to fall into line and keep quiet?
So why is he still in charge of the EU?
They have known for many years what he has done. They know it is wrong.
It is just like FIFA. Keep someone in charge who is corrupt and he is safe. Then sweep it under the table.
So what % of the UK didn't vote for Farage? A lot more than didn't vote for AfD in Germany. Yet you count the 1 in 8 Germans who voted for AfD in Germany as nothing.UKIP got millions of votes, but only 1 seat because the UK is so democratic. I in 8 Germans voted for a right wing party that includes fascists. It means that 1 in 8 Germans voted for a party which includes fascist, but it means little as 7 in 8 Germans didn't. It's democracy... get over it. Oh, and try pushing for democracy in the UK whilst you're on the subject. Replace the Lords with an elected senate, have the Monarch put up for a pro or anti monarchy vote every 10 years, introduce proportional representation so that we can see what the people really want by making all votes count, and give sovereignity back to parliament when wanting to make major decsisions. It may make the UK more inclusive and less polarised.
The UK is totally inclusive !
Come on Mart. The evidence is there for you to see.He was elected by a vote of 26 to 2. So maybe ask the 26 governments who appoved him.
Who are "they"? If he is known to be corrupt or to have broken the law, there are several hundred MEPs you could approach to bring the subject up in the Eurpopean Parliament. Why don't you contact your local MEP, give him the evidence and ask him to find out what is going on? I am only an anomynous poster on the internet and don't have the knowledge or the evidence that you evidently have.
UKIP got millions of votes, but only 1 seat because the UK is so democratic. I in 8 Germans voted for a right wing party that includes fascists. It means that 1 in 8 Germans voted for a party which includes fascist, but it means little as 7 in 8 Germans didn't. It's democracy... get over it. Oh, and try pushing for democracy in the UK whilst you're on the subject. Replace the Lords with an elected senate, have the Monarch put up for a pro or anti monarchy vote every 10 years, introduce proportional representation so that we can see what the people really want by making all votes count, and give sovereignity back to parliament when wanting to make major decsisions. It may make the UK more inclusive and less polarised.
Protect itself from what?The EU was always going to protect itself as it is entitled to do so. What hasn't happened is that it has rolled over as some in the media predicted. While I am totally against it, it wouldn't be so bad if we had competent people in charge of the UK to negotiate on the country's behalf. To have the likes of Davis and Fox going into talks still thinking they could negotiate deals with individual countries is unforgivable.
So inclusive in Germany that their version of a 70's skinhead party attracted 1 vote for every two the chancellor received.
People clearly feel included in your utopian dream.
So what % of the UK didn't vote for Farage? A lot more than didn't vote for AfD in Germany. Yet you count the 1 in 8 Germans who voted for AfD in Germany as nothing.
Protect itself from what?
The UK now has 1 in 8 residents in the EU. We pay billions net into the EU each year. Yet a country the size of a city or smaller here has as much of a say as us.
Then Mart goes on about proportional representation is best.
The EU is on the road to collapse.I don't think we will ever rejoin. My opinion.
We have voted out. End of.
We now need to pull together. We need to be as one to show Juncker that we want a good deal and the shit he is coming out with won't split us.
Who gives a toss about Farage other than those who use his name to try and make a point?What is „unfinished business“? Ok, I will accept the result and you will never hear from me again, or I will continue fighting until the business of getting the UK out has dbeen finished? To achieve that he would need a second referendum. I think virtually everyone apart from yourself understood it as the latter.
So why do keep talking as though it will be Armageddon for us?Both sides are spinning it out to the last minute. Then there will be talks through the night until one side is so tired they just sign and go to bed.
Name them.Yes, a lot more so than the UK.
The EU is on the road to collapse.
This cash cow is leaving. The racist vote is getting bigger and infighting in the bigger countries has started. The one in charge should be put on fraud charges. Others in the EU seem to think so after the illegal tax payments are being looked into. Another prominent EU unvoted for whatever you want to call him in charge of human rights is now on fraud charges.
And this has all kicked off since we voted leave.
So why do keep talking as though it will be Armageddon for us?
Yes IYO.
Open borders to the 500m people in the EU and expanding would have kept our population exploding when we can't house those already here. Not my opinion. It is the truth.
Oh really? Have to see that to believe that. Sorry but if that did happen it would of been main page news everywhere to make an idiot out of him. The fact it wasn't I strongly have my reservations.
We aren't rejoining and never will imo. Junckers speech on an eu army and further integrating EU speech the other week put an end to that.
If you want an United States of Europe that's fine like Mart but the majority in this country don't after we were told by the remain camp it's for the status quo. Wrong. It was was further integration and become United States of Europe. One border one currency one army. One everything.
It does make me wonder what we are all going to talk/ debate about once brexit is out of the way. Football anyone.
We aren't rejoining and never will imo. Junckers speech on an eu army and further integrating EU speech the other week put an end to that.
If you want an United States of Europe that's fine like Mart but the majority in this country don't after we were told by the remain camp it's for the status quo. Wrong. It was was further integration and become United States of Europe. One border one currency one army. One everything.
So inclusive in Germany that their version of a 70's skinhead party attracted 1 vote for every two the chancellor received.
People clearly feel included in your utopian dream.
Name anyone who likes or listens to Farage unless it is remoaners using him to try and make a point.
Protect itself from what?
The UK now has 1 in 8 residents in the EU. We pay billions net into the EU each year. Yet a country the size of a city or smaller here has as much of a say as us.
Then Mart goes on about proportional representation is best.
So would May look competent if she made negative comments all the time like these so called competent EU supposed negotiators? It would certainly give you a bigger stick to beat her with.That really is easy Grendel. Yes they do. No we don’t. Our negotiator is apparently lazy and thick as mince. The worst the Sun could think of for Barnier was that he is a Dandy. When you think that Farage said that the Belgian from the Parliament had the appearance of a lower grade bank clerk, then it seems the EU cannot win on appearance- either they are a Dandy or a lower grade bank clerk. Who knows how the EU people would describe the appearance of our foreign minister...
Are you saying that Junckers appointment was democratic?2015: .UKIP came third in terms of votes with 12.6%, but only won one seat, with party leader Nigel Farage failing to win the seat of South Thanet.
In other words UKIP got exactly the same as AfD in 2015, and exactly the same amount didn't vote for Farage's party. What is your point? My point is that the UK is obviously not really democratic as it favours the 2 party system and restricts choice. Merkel's party got 33% - not Merkel. She was not a presidential candidate. The chancellor is elected by the parliament. By the way, sorry to mention Farage again, but in this case he was right to complain about the UK electoral sytem. And you think Juncker's appointment is undemocratic.....
So in Scotland May had a disaster as usual. But it makes no difference?Not all he parties you list are UK national and therefore do not effect May‘s vote in the majority of constituencies. There are 3 main parties in the UK with 600000 tagging on to UKIP. In Germany there are 6 nationwide parties 1 powerful Bavarian party and a group of UKIP or Nazi parties on the fringe which together polled under 5 %.
Junker can say it all he likes. The army will never get voted in. To many countries within the EU have already dismissed it. They’ll never be a United States of Europe. Too many countries within the EU don’t want it and would rather leave the EU than join a United States.
I am British and I don't want to lose my nationality. I don't want to be ruled by someone who I can't vote for. Especially as they don't want what is best for us.We aren't rejoining and never will imo. Junckers speech on an eu army and further integrating EU speech the other week put an end to that.
If you want an United States of Europe that's fine like Mart but the majority in this country don't after we were told by the remain camp it's for the status quo. Wrong. It was was further integration and become United States of Europe. One border one currency one army. One everything.
Come on Mart. The evidence is there for you to see.
You continually go on about tax not being paid here. Juncker was in charge of Luxembourg when they signed up companies to pay negligible tax to the Luxembourg government instead of in the countries it should have been paying. There are many more companies in Luxembourg than there are residents. What more proof do you want?
Why defend him?
I am British and I don't want to lose my nationality. I don't want to be ruled by someone who I can't vote for. Especially as they don't want what is best for us.
I couldn't bring myself to vote for leave. But now I have seen what they are really like I would be at the front of the queue to vote leave.
I am British and I don't want to lose my nationality, but I want to be British and an EU citizen. I am now forced to become a citizen of another country to remain an EU citizen because of Brexit. Brexit is a joke. Now I am seeing probably the most disunited and incompetent government of my lifetime in power in the UK trying to negotiate something that we shouldn't even have to be negotiating, and with no guarantee that we will be any better off in the end. But, some think that the chaos is all a cunning plan played out by our politicians with fantastic acting ability in order to lull the EU into a false sense of security, and then in the last minute of added time, to pull out the secret weapon and make the deal of the century... Personally I think the the government is clueless.
So would May look competent if she made negative comments all the time like these so called competent EU supposed negotiators? It would certainly give you a bigger stick to beat her with.
2015: .UKIP came third in terms of votes with 12.6%, but only won one seat, with party leader Nigel Farage failing to win the seat of South Thanet.
In other words UKIP got exactly the same as AfD in 2015, and exactly the same amount didn't vote for Farage's party. What is your point? My point is that the UK is obviously not really democratic as it favours the 2 party system and restricts choice. Merkel's party got 33% - not Merkel. She was not a presidential candidate. The chancellor is elected by the parliament. By the way, sorry to mention Farage again, but in this case he was right to complain about the UK electoral sytem. And you think Juncker's appointment is undemocratic.....
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