Sumo the Micky Quinn
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I also believe the unelected house of lords can dismiss a new law.
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And confirmed that people are stupid.
I think that the facts speak for themselves - they are neither arrogant nor insulting - just facts ( and no it doesn't mean all leavers are thick ).So does that prove that all those who voted to leave were uneducated?
Put your graphs away, I stated what I know, that all those who voted out are not thick and all those that voted remain aren't all educated. Don't drop to Shmeees level, as whatever the side you were on there were some who knew more than others.
It's the left wing voters in this country who decided to leave.
I think that the facts speak for themselves - they are neither arrogant nor insulting - just facts ( and no it doesn't mean all leavers are thick ).
I was actually agreeing with you, but pointing out that the graphs represented neutral facts and were themselves neither arrogant nor insulting.Fucking hell, its small minded people like you that make me wish I had voted out.
Shmeee said all those that voted out were thick. I said this wasn't true, and it was an arrogant comment. Dave a poster I respect came along trying to prove a petty point about who voted what, and here are you as usual trying to jump on the back of it.
The irony is Shmeee wasn't correct, and I wasn't bothered about percentages and the exact demographics, but yet here you are trying to petty point score over a point that in its first instance by Shmeee was neither factually correct nor well thought out.
I was actually agreeing with you, but pointing out that the graphs represented neutral facts and were themselves neither arrogant nor insulting.
Wasn't trying to prove any point, just trying to give some informationDave a poster I respect came along trying to prove a petty point about who voted what, and here are you as usual trying to jump on the back of it.
Ok, my mistake and apologies on my behalf. I am possibly losing the will with the whole debate. I shouldn't have entered it either, and shall take my leave.
I hope it doesn't have a negative effect on your business in Germany. That sucks, and I just hope someone in this whole situation (government wise) knows what they are doing
Wasn't trying to prove any point, just trying to give some information
Yes, I thought you had misunderstood. The problem with referenda is that they can be easily manipulated - which is why Hitler and Putin like them. The Mail, Express etc. have been blaming the EU for everything and never take an objective or positive stance. Unfortunately people take these crap papers on face value. So the propaganda works. Sometimes I sell Irish products, so it will be interesting to compare sales as to whether my Irish products stay the same and the British sales go down.
Out of interest when the Banks and House builders crashed in the recession were you thinking of emigrating then? were you on the site bemoaning the state of the economy then?
The economy and shares recovered, as they will again, but it will take time. I am worried, but the over the top analysis and hyperbole in the press and on this site is absolutely ridiculous.
So your criticism of Corbyn is that he didn't lie?If Corbyn as a socialist who has always been anti EU had stood and said he really passionately believed in the project then some Labour followers would have switched
So your criticism of Corbyn is that he didn't lie?
The stats I've seen suggest 63% of Labour voters were remain. That compares to 64% for the SNP yet there are demands (mainly from the Blairites) for Corbyn to go and not a word against Sturgeon.
So your criticism of Corbyn is that he didn't lie?
The stats I've seen suggest 63% of Labour voters were remain. That compares to 64% for the SNP yet there are demands (mainly from the Blairites) for Corbyn to go and not a word against Sturgeon.
Where on earth did you get that stat from regarding Labour voters? Tonight Caroline Flint claimed that if one in 20 of the traditional labour voters had switched to remain then they would have won - and firmly put the blame on Corbyn
I thought it was as high as 70% as reported in some outlets.
The Blairites may want Corbyn out, but the membership (which has dramatically increased since his leadership) will just put him back there.
Exactly. They should now be working together to take advantage of the turmoil in the Conservative party but seem happier to destroy their own party. It needs to come to a head one way or another but I suspect if they are successful in removing Corbyn they will lose a lot of the supporters he attracted. The question is can they win an election when they are pretty much the same as the Tories? Blair managed it but would it happen again?The Blairites may want Corbyn out, but the membership (which has dramatically increased since his leadership) will just put him back there.
YouGov have the Labour remain vote at 69%, LAP have it at 63%.
Would be interesting to see where Caroline Flint has got her data from.
I don't believe for a second that the comments Flint is making or the leadership challenge is anything to do with Corbyn's performance in the referendum. Its the same people in the party who didn't want him in to start off with and have been trying to damage him ever since. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. They have a big problem in that the PLP is so out of step with its membership. If they get a leadership contest and Corbyn stands again there's every chance he will win again.
Exactly. They should now be working together to take advantage of the turmoil in the Conservative party but seem happier to destroy their own party. It needs to come to a head one way or another but I suspect if they are successful in removing Corbyn they will lose a lot of the supporters he attracted. The question is can they win an election when they are pretty much the same as the Tories? Blair managed it but would it happen again?
The unknown, at least I haven't seen any data for it, is how the remaining 28% would have voted had they cast their vote.So it was the Conservative elements in places like Sunderland who made the difference?
Not ignoring it at all. I think you mistakenly believe I am a Corbyn supporter and for some reason expect him to be the only politician who doesn't bend the truth (at best).You seem to ignoring the fact Corbyn is anti EU and wanted to leave but prostituted himself to cling to power. If Corbyn was true to his dogma he would have urged voters to leave as all real socialists would
Hogwash I am afraid. If Corbyn as a socialist who has always been anti EU had stood and said he really passionately believed in the project then some Labour followers would have switched
Still I note that if the chancer Sturgeon calls a referendum she will in your eyes be like Hitler or Putin
The ballots are never secret, all papers are numbered. However the numbers can only be matched to voters with the authority of the High Court or Parliament. In theory after the count they are supposed to be officially sealed. In practice they are, or at least were, all sent to a warehouse in Essex where they sit for the time period they are required to be kept before being burnt.I thought it was a secret ballot
The ballots are never secret, all papers are numbered. However the numbers can only be matched to voters with the authority of the High Court or Parliament. In theory after the count they are supposed to be officially sealed. In practice they are, or at least were, all sent to a warehouse in Essex where they sit for the time period they are required to be kept before being burnt.
The stats you see on the news etc come from various polls which are supposed to be a representative sample to give an indication what the country as a whole as done. TV ratings are done the same way.
Thanks Dave. So I wonder why we take the figures on age related voting as authoritative when polls are consistently inaccurate. If we believed the polls the tories wouldn't be in power and we would still be in Europe.
Is this from Thursday or 2011? Bit confused...
Jesus, we need to bring in some sort of intelligence test before people are allowed to vote!
This one's worth a look as well.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...hought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html
From Thursday. The 2011 bit is the date of the last census which would have been used to profile the regions,Is this from Thursday or 2011? Bit confused...
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