The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (77 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Nearly every time they opened their mouths. And like I said each time they were caught out they went onto personal attacks.

And like I said earlier Cameron tried to make out that he had agreements to change things in our favour. But what he really had was an agreement to have talks about changing things. Then those running the EU stated we already had the best deal that they were going to offer.

We have the 5th biggest economy in the world. What makes you think that we need to be in the EU to survive? They need us much more than we need them.

Germany has the run of the EU. Others will make out that things will be bad if we do leave as we are not gone yet and they will try to scare us to stay. Just like the remain lot tried to scare us into a remain vote. But Germany will want a good trade deal with us as they would benefit more than we would from one.

So nothing specific then just a generalisation on the campaign?

I've pointed out that the two points that form the back bone of the leave campaign has been confirmed as bullshit by the leave campaign themselves which tricked plenty of people that I know into voting leave and you can't come back with one specific that would convince someone who voted remain to change their vote to leave? Can you really not see the difference?

 

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[Astute]

So nothing specific then just a generalisation on the campaign?

I've pointed out that the two points that form the back bone of the leave campaign has been confirmed as bullshit by the leave campaign themselves which tricked plenty of people that I know into voting leave and you can't come back with one specific that would convince someone who voted remain to change their vote to leave? Can you really not see the difference?

So you still haven't read what I put?

So was Cameron bullshitting or not?

 

[Grendel]

Oh dear. A number of people now regretting how they voted.

Just been listening to 5 Live.

Nicky Campbell also asking people to phone in and describe in one word how they feel about the outcome. 'Gutted' 'Worried' 'Dejected' 'Disappointed' etc.

One woman said 'shattered' by the decision. Which way did you vote asks Nicky?

'I voted leave' says the woman. Lots of scoffs in the background. 'It was a protest vote, but I never thought they would win, so I am shattered and it has backfired on me. '

Apparently a lot of people have protest voted.

I heard that and I was slightly suspicious.

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh dear. A number of people now regretting how they voted.

Just been listening to 5 Live.

Nicky Campbell also asking people to phone in and describe in one word how they feel about the outcome. 'Gutted' 'Worried' 'Dejected' 'Disappointed' etc.

One woman said 'shattered' by the decision. Which way did you vote asks Nicky?

'I voted leave' says the woman. Lots of scoffs in the background. 'It was a protest vote, but I never thought they would win, so I am shattered and it has backfired on me. '

Apparently a lot of people have protest voted.

Bregretters they're being called. Coming out the woodwork everywhere. The number saying I didn't think that my vote would count is staggering. It's one man one vote not first past the post of course their vote counted. Did they really not get that?

 

[skybluetony176]

So you still haven't read what I put?

So was Cameron bullshitting or not?

Give me two specific's that were the backbone of the remain campaign.

The NHS line was plastered down the side of the bus's that they were driving around the country for weeks while campaigning and the whole basis of the argument to leave was based on taking back control of borders which is now being back peddled on.

Give me two lies from the remain campaign that are as significant as those.

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

Looks like a protest vote in some cases.

It's the fucking wrong time to have done a protest vote! They should've done it during the 2015 General Election. Voted for UKIP who were never going to get it but generate enough interest to say things need to change.

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[skybluetony176]

IDS backpedaling now on the Andrew Marr show right now.

So now it's not £350m going to the NHS as per their slogan it's a percentage of half of that. That's a big lie.

Now backtracking on EU migration.

Have campaign members ever lined up so willingly to distance themselves from the basis of their campaign argument?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You'd have to be an absolute moron to vote against your beliefs.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Give me two specific's that were the backbone of the remain campaign.

The NHS line was plastered down the side of the bus's that they were driving around the country for weeks while campaigning and the whole basis of the argument to leave was based on taking back control of borders which is now being back peddled on.

Give me two lies from the remain campaign that are as significant as those.

You still here?

Thought you were off to NZ.

How's that going then?

 

[SIR ERNIE]

IDS backpedaling now on the Andrew Marr show right now.

But not as fast as Sajid Javid was 15 mins before him.
Embarrassing.

Did you not see that?

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Give me two specific's that were the backbone of the remain campaign.

The NHS line was plastered down the side of the bus's that they were driving around the country for weeks while campaigning and the whole basis of the argument to leave was based on taking back control of borders which is now being back peddled on.

Give me two lies from the remain campaign that are as significant as those.

The biggest one was that we could be going to war! FFS that was the one for me that lost any shred of their depserate campaign.

 

[skybluetony176]

You still here?

Thought you were off to NZ.

How's that going then?

Think I said I was weighing up my options didn't I. I'm not the sort to make a knee jerk reaction.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Think I said I was weighing up my options didn't I. I'm not the sort to make a knee jerk reaction.

Haha backpedalling?

 

[Astute]

The biggest one was that we could be going to war! FFS that was the one for me that lost any shred of their depserate campaign.

I know that the wholething was done on both sides by guestimations at best but when the rows of headstones was mentioned all credibility was lost. And some still try to say that it wasn't scare tactics that they used. The whole thing was an absolute joke. And they are supposed to be running our country

 

[skybluetony176]

Haha backpedalling?

No. That was what I said.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The arrogance over this is completely beyond belief. I've actually deleted my Facebook page for a bit because I'm constantly waking up to lines such as '52% of the population are racist', 'old people shouldn't be aloud to vote', and 'let's have another referendum until we get the right answer.'

Honestly, people need to get off their fucking high horses. Branding 17 million people idiots is like calling all Muslims terrorists. Which is ironic really.

At the end of the day there was no right answer, it could have gone either way, as a post was raised earlier, there were benifits for leave, benifits for staying, and I respect anyone's vote and reasoning. It wasn't as black and white as right or wrong.

Do people also not realise the bullying that's going on now towards the leave voters from remain campaigners and politicians alike contributed to them not getting their way? People already felt marginalised by this, and while some did protest vote 'and didn't know the concequences', many who voted remain also put a cross in the box without knowing what they were voting for, or just wanted to take the safe option out of fear.

I just cannot believe the arrogance coming out of this, everyone gets an opinion, and while it was extremely close, the remain side lost. It's as simple as that. Lies were churned out from each side, and you cannot blame the electorate for having to chose between what was being thrown down their throats, and another set of lies.

There should never have been a referendum to put us in this position in the first place anyway, but the EU were given a chance to reform, were given a chance to give us a fairer deal, but they told us to fuck off. They are ultimately to blame.

 

[Astute]

Think I said I was weighing up my options didn't I. I'm not the sort to make a knee jerk reaction.

You certainly only listened to one side if you think only one side lied to us.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

The arrogance over this is completely beyond belief. I've actually deleted my Facebook page for a bit because I'm constantly waking up to lines such as '52% of the population are racist', 'old people shouldn't be aloud to vote', and 'let's have another referendum until we get the right answer.'

Honestly, people need to get off their fucking high horses. Branding 17 million people idiots is like calling all Muslims terrorists. Which is ironic really.

At the end of the day there was no right answer, it could have gone either way, as a post was raised earlier, there were benifits for leave, benifits for staying, and I respect anyone's vote and reasoning. It wasn't as black and white as right or wrong.

Do people also not realise the bullying that's going on now towards the leave voters from remain campaigners and politicians alike contributed to them not getting their way? People already felt marginalised by this, and while some did protest vote 'and didn't know the concequences', many who voted remain also put a cross in the box without knowing what they were voting for, or just wanted to take the safe option out of fear.

I just cannot believe the arrogance coming out of this, everyone gets an opinion, and while it was extremely close, the remain side lost. It's as simple as that. Lies were churned out from each side, and you cannot blame the electorate for having to chose between what was being thrown down their throats, and another set of lies.

There should never have been a referendum to put us in this position in the first place anyway, but the EU were given a chance to reform, were given a chance to give us a fairer deal, but they told us to fuck off. They are ultimately to blame.

Its incredibly ignorant of people to brand leave voters as stupid idiots and everyone who voted remain is more intelligent than them which is basically what I see happening now from a lot of people who voted remain.

 

[Captain Dart]

Digby Jones was quite good on BBC.

The arrogance over this is completely beyond belief. I've actually deleted my Facebook page for a bit because I'm constantly waking up to lines such as '52% of the population are racist', 'old people shouldn't be aloud to vote', and 'let's have another referendum until we get the right answer.'

Honestly, people need to get off their fucking high horses. Branding 17 million people idiots is like calling all Muslims terrorists. Which is ironic really.

At the end of the day there was no right answer, it could have gone either way, as a post was raised earlier, there were benifits for leave, benifits for staying, and I respect anyone's vote and reasoning. It wasn't as black and white as right or wrong.

Do people also not realise the bullying that's going on now towards the leave voters from remain campaigners and politicians alike contributed to them not getting their way? People already felt marginalised by this, and while some did protest vote 'and didn't know the concequences', many who voted remain also put a cross in the box without knowing what they were voting for, or just wanted to take the safe option out of fear.

I just cannot believe the arrogance coming out of this, everyone gets an opinion, and while it was extremely close, the remain side lost. It's as simple as that. Lies were churned out from each side, and you cannot blame the electorate for having to chose between what was being thrown down their throats, and another set of lies.

There should never have been a referendum to put us in this position in the first place anyway, but the EU were given a chance to reform, were given a chance to give us a fairer deal, but they told us to fuck off. They are ultimately to blame.

EU needs to reform itself, not as corrupt as FIFA but a complete mess, honestly who can say how its supposed to work, one thing I do know is that there is no clear opportunity for the electorate to say "NO" because the MEPs don't have the power and the various EU governments have staggered elections on totally different systems. I bloody well understand the US constitution and system of government better than the EU, what does that say?

 

[Moff]

What a fucking idiotic thing to say. But then again it's you saying it so it's more expected than anything else.

The last recession was caused by a worldwide banking crisis. This recession will be caused by bigoted, ignorant, small minded, little Englanders who don't have the intellect to see that they're biting of their noses to spite there faces. You can see the difference I'm sure.

The only idiotic thing is your fucking stupid reply.

You banged on about the bank and builders shares going down. I merely pointed out that that is also what happened in the recession. The other facts you pointed out I already knew you moron. It doesn't matter how we got there the world moves on, but apparently not in your bigoted head.

I was not a leave voter, its just I am a little more intelligent than you to see that all leave voters weren't racists or bigots. The irony is lost on you as apparently now the bigots are people like you.

 

[stupot07]

IDS backpedaling now on the Andrew Marr show right now.

So now it's not £350m going to the NHS as per their slogan it's a percentage of half of that. That's a big lie.

Now backtracking on EU migration.

Have campaign members ever lined up so willingly to distance themselves from the basis of their campaign argument?

A percentage of £350m? That could be 0.000000000000000001%.

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[Grendel]

You still here?

Thought you were off to NZ.

How's that going then?

The closest Tony will get to New Zealand is when he eats lamb chops for his tea.

 

[Grendel]

John McDonnell on the radio - said this gives the uk an ideal opportunity to negotiate a better deal with Europe.

 

[skybluetony176]

You certainly only listened to one side if you think only one side lied to us.

Only I never said that. I'm just pointed out that a hell of a lot of people voted on two specific points from the leave campaign. Two specific points that the leave campaign are backtracking on and distancing themselves from as it gets exposed as BS.

I seriously doubt that many if any voted remain on the premise of averting WW3. People and lots of them though did vote on the premise of what was plastered down the side of the leave tour bus's and the manipulation of fear regarding EU immigration that is actually still going to happen.

You can see the difference I'm sure.

 

[Moff]

John McDonnell on the radio - said this gives the uk an ideal opportunity to negotiate a better deal with Europe.

Unlike some of the bigots on this site, I presume he is fairly well informed and await the future with eyes open and unblinkered in the hope that the decision to leave the EU will have positive outcomes as well as the negative ones.

As McDonnell is an MP, I hope that he and like minded politicians will achieve this, and there is nothing yet to suggest that this isn't possible, as opposed to it being impossible.

 

[Astute]

A percentage of £350m? That could be 0.000000000000000001%.

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I suppose it is better being spent by those not voted in by anyone on things we never had a say on

 

[Grendel]

Unlike some of the bigots on this site, I presume he is fairly well informed and await the future with eyes open and unblinkered in the hope that the decision to leave the EU will have positive outcomes as well as the negative ones.

As McDonnell is an MP, I hope that he and like minded politicians will achieve this, and there is nothing yet to suggest that this isn't possible, as opposed to it being impossible.

Theresa Villiers now confirming immigration will be curbed and extra funds will be out into the economy.

 

[Otis]

I heard that and I was slightly suspicious.

She did sound thick though don't you think?

 

[skybluetony176]

A percentage of £350m? That could be 0.000000000000000001%.

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The man saying it is firmly behind the privatisation of the NHS so it probably won't even be that much.

 

[Otis]

Looks like a protest vote in some cases.

It's the fucking wrong time to have done a protest vote! They should've done it during the 2015 General Election. Voted for UKIP who were never going to get it but generate enough interest to say things need to change.

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If you are going to protest vote you either vote for a decent independent, or the Monster Raving Looney Party.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If you are going to protest vote you either vote for a decent independent, or the Monster Raving Looney Party.

 

[Astute]

Only I never said that. I'm just pointed out that a hell of a lot of people voted on two specific points from the leave campaign. Two specific points that the leave campaign are backtracking on and distancing themselves from as it gets exposed as BS.

I seriously doubt that many if any voted remain on the premise of averting WW3. People and lots of them though did vote on the premise of what was plastered down the side of the leave tour bus's and the manipulation of fear regarding EU immigration that is actually still going to happen.

You can see the difference I'm sure.

You continually said that the out side lied. True. You were asking for things that the remain side lied about. That is trying to make out that they didn't. Also true.

The one thing that makes me laugh is those that listened to how Farage was going to spend the 10 billion it cost us to be in the EU each year when he will never be in a position to spend a penny of it.

If you want a debate about it try seeing the good and bad of leaving and staying. All you are coming out with is what can be seen as the bad from one side because you didn't get the result you wanted.

 

[Captain Dart]

Theresa Villiers now confirming immigration will be curbed and extra funds will be out into the economy.

LOL, her being a scion of the Earls of Clarendon will surely have the peoples interests at heart, as well as seeking further opportunities to exploit loopholes in the rules for MP's expenses.

Scandal and her family are well acquainted.

 

[Grendel]

LOL, her being a scion of the Earls of Clarendon will surely have the peoples interests at heart, as well as seeking further opportunities to exploit loopholes in the rules for MP's expenses.

Scandal and her family are well acquainted.

Well the only thing Mr McDonnell and here could not agree on was when to enact Article 50.

Mr McDonnell wants it done with immediate effect.

 

[Grendel]

Unlike some of the bigots on this site, I presume he is fairly well informed and await the future with eyes open and unblinkered in the hope that the decision to leave the EU will have positive outcomes as well as the negative ones.

As McDonnell is an MP, I hope that he and like minded politicians will achieve this, and there is nothing yet to suggest that this isn't possible, as opposed to it being impossible.

Nah I'm sure KiwiTony is better informed.