The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (9 Viewers)

[wingy]

And there you have it.

Mights and Ifs.

Mights and Ifs don't concern me.

Positivity and self confidence is the key and that's the attitude that the UK needs now. There's a massive opportunity for this country and we are going to be in a position to control our future. It's a very exciting position.

Self determination.

You won't get it.
Just. a vacuum.

 

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[Astute]

By separating Trade deals from The Shengen disaster. Hook or by crook we have to reduce immigration to more like 50,000 per year and only those that are going to genuinely earn enough to pay the tax levels that will enable them to contribute to all of the services that need to be paid for.

We need much more than 50,000 altogether. What we need to limit is the unskilled coming in. The more unskilled we allow in the more skilled we need to find to keep a sufficient infrastructure in place. And we are already struggling.

 

[martcov]

Percentage growth last year was very high but overall volume is low still

I try my best... I always turn up on events with my Discovery... Some of my colleagues now have LRs.

 

[Grendel]

Another point on these people saying they regret their vote.

Some I think are regretting due to harassment. The woman on the radio show regretted it as her son and her sons friends had berated her and said she'd ruined their future. She was distressed - id have told them to piss off.

One 18 year old was debating with pupils and teachers and supported out. On Friday his teacher told him to either not speak or get out of the classroom as he was disgusting.

 

[Captain Dart]

Immigration was absolute key on this referendum, that and a rejection of the quite pathetic bullying tactics and bullshit of the 'Remain' campaign. On immigration what swung it for me was Corbyn saying that there should never be any upper limit or control over immigration..................... and on the economy , Osborne's threat of a special budget to punish the ordinary people who might have the temerity to vote against the establishment. Well fuck you ! Corbyn, Blair, Brown, Osborne and Cameron. The result has already temporarily damaged my personal economy but I guessed there would be a short term shock, but I don't care, it's a price worth paying for democracy and to give my kids the chance of being able to compete fairly for employment in the future in their own country. I know plenty of well heeled people, business owners and graduates alike who voted leave, they were not all 'Little Englanders' as some cunts dare to suggest, just ordinary folk who were sick of the ambitious and expanding arrogant monster that is the EU and the way they pretty much laughed in Cameron's face when he sought changes and concessions earlier this year. I hope the whole project collapses and we can get back to pre Brussels.

Yes, yes, yes, I was swinging towards leave when all these threats came out and that bloody well sealed it. Don't threaten me, there will be consequences!

 

[Marty]

I voted leave, I voted that way as I believe that the EU needs major reform and they themselves needed a wake up call, I don't think a close Remain vote would have done that, infact I think they would have used it as a stick to beat us over the head with. This vote gives us and the other big nations (France, Denmark, Netherlands etc) the opportunity to sit down with them and that gives us a real chance to reform it. On the other hand I think this country will prosper with or without the EU, the comments I've read from Merkel about a closer union (United states of Europe) and the EU Presidents throwing their teddy out the pram, have really hit home that I've made the right decision in the way I voted.

I think it's only going to take an out vote from one other big player to bring the EU to it's knees. We've seen referendums all ready asked for in other nations.

From what I've read we account for roughly 23% of the EU exports, more then the next 2 combined (roughly 20% USA/Japan). We export about 40% to the EU nations. We spend far more in their countries then they do buying our goods, I can't see why they wouldn't give us a favourable deal. The USA and Canada have already come out and said they will put us to the top of the queue for trade deals. I expect Australia and New Zealand will do the same. We take over half of New Zealand beef and lamb products, which is capped by EU quota's. Again, We could end up importing higher amounts then we currently do, so cheaper lamb and beef products (cheaper prices?).

I don't think freedom of movement can work in it's current set up. There's too big a difference in standard of living between us and say Romania. I think it can work Between the likes of UK, Germany, France, etc, where they're all relatively the same. and another zone for the poorer countries, with a time limit of say 3 months if you're going between zones, but I suppose this would lead to people going of the grid and I'm not really sure that will work either.

I would like to see the Euro ditched so southern Europe can actually control their own currencies and devalue if and when they need to.

The bus slogan, I think we all knew they wouldn't spend £350 Million a week on the NHS, and I think it would be foolish to do that. I think that we need to replace the EU funding that regions were guaranteed. Assume 350mill a week, we get back something like 120mill a week which goes to investment in the regions. 230mill goes to Brussels which we don't see again. I would like to see that 230mill (whatever the true figure is) invested in this country to make it economically stronger. Nationalise the banks, railways, energy, Royal Mail?

For the past few weeks I have been looking at buying a property within Spain and Portugal, which will now have to be put on hold and if we do end up leaving the EU I will apply for citizenship with Poland.

 

[martcov]

That is very true. The German brands dominate the sectors in Germany.

Audi are a sponsor at the Kiel Regatta - where I am. Suppose because of boat owners needing towing cars, or just having wealth

 

[Ashdown]

I voted leave, I voted that way as I believe that the EU needs major reform and they themselves needed a wake up call, I don't think a close Remain vote would have done that, infact I think they would have used it as a stick to beat us over the head with. This vote gives us and the other big nations (France, Denmark, Netherlands etc) the opportunity to sit down with them and that gives us a real chance to reform it. On the other hand I think this country will prosper with or without the EU, the comments I've read from Merkel about a closer union (United states of Europe) and the EU Presidents throwing their teddy out the pram, have really hit home that I've made the right decision in the way I voted.

I think it's only going to take an out vote from one other big player to bring the EU to it's knees. We've seen referendums all ready asked for in other nations.

From what I've read we account for roughly 23% of the EU exports, more then the next 2 combined (roughly 20% USA/Japan). We export about 40% to the EU nations. We spend far more in their countries then they do buying our goods, I can't see why they wouldn't give us a favourable deal. The USA and Canada have already come out and said they will put us to the top of the queue for trade deals. I expect Australia and New Zealand will do the same. We take over half of New Zealand beef and lamb products, which is capped by EU quota's. Again, We could end up importing higher amounts then we currently do, so cheaper lamb and beef products (cheaper prices?).

I don't think freedom of movement can work in it's current set up. There's too big a difference in standard of living between us and say Romania. I think it can work Between the likes of UK, Germany, France, etc, where they're all relatively the same. and another zone for the poorer countries, with a time limit of say 3 months if you're going between zones, but I suppose this would lead to people going of the grid and I'm not really sure that will work either.

I would like to see the Euro ditched so southern Europe can actually control their own currencies and devalue if and when they need to.

The bus slogan, I think we all knew they wouldn't spend £350 Million a week on the NHS, and I think it would be foolish to do that. I think that we need to replace the EU funding that regions were guaranteed. Assume 350mill a week, we get back something like 120mill a week which goes to investment in the regions. 230mill goes to Brussels which we don't see again. I would like to see that 230mill (whatever the true figure is) invested in this country to make it economically stronger. Nationalise the banks, railways, energy, Royal Mail?

For the past few weeks I have been looking at buying a property within Spain and Portugal, which will now have to be put on hold and if we do end up leaving the EU I will apply for citizenship with Poland.

Ditto we had an offer accepted on a place in Spain last week, the price went up £6000 overnight with the drop in the pound, we will either renegotiate now or shelve it for a while. But it's a price worth paying for self determination and a chance to put the brakes on immigration.

 

[wingy]

I voted leave, I voted that way as I believe that the EU needs major reform and they themselves needed a wake up call, I don't think a close Remain vote would have done that, infact I think they would have used it as a stick to beat us over the head with. This vote gives us and the other big nations (France, Denmark, Netherlands etc) the opportunity to sit down with them and that gives us a real chance to reform it. On the other hand I think this country will prosper with or without the EU, the comments I've read from Merkel about a closer union (United states of Europe) and the EU Presidents throwing their teddy out the pram, have really hit home that I've made the right decision in the way I voted.

I think it's only going to take an out vote from one other big player to bring the EU to it's knees. We've seen referendums all ready asked for in other nations.

From what I've read we account for roughly 23% of the EU exports, more then the next 2 combined (roughly 20% USA/Japan). We export about 40% to the EU nations. We spend far more in their countries then they do buying our goods, I can't see why they wouldn't give us a favourable deal. The USA and Canada have already come out and said they will put us to the top of the queue for trade deals. I expect Australia and New Zealand will do the same. We take over half of New Zealand beef and lamb products, which is capped by EU quota's. Again, We could end up importing higher amounts then we currently do, so cheaper lamb and beef products (cheaper prices?).

I don't think freedom of movement can work in it's current set up. There's too big a difference in standard of living between us and say Romania. I think it can work Between the likes of UK, Germany, France, etc, where they're all relatively the same. and another zone for the poorer countries, with a time limit of say 3 months if you're going between zones, but I suppose this would lead to people going of the grid and I'm not really sure that will work either.

I would like to see the Euro ditched so southern Europe can actually control their own currencies and devalue if and when they need to.

The bus slogan, I think we all knew they wouldn't spend £350 Million a week on the NHS, and I think it would be foolish to do that. I think that we need to replace the EU funding that regions were guaranteed. Assume 350mill a week, we get back something like 120mill a week which goes to investment in the regions. 230mill goes to Brussels which we don't see again. I would like to see that 230mill (whatever the true figure is) invested in this country to make it economically stronger. Nationalise the banks, railways, energy, Royal Mail?

For the past few weeks I have been looking at buying a property within Spain and Portugal, which will now have to be put on hold and if we do end up leaving the EU I will apply for citizenship with Poland.

Respect you're position Marty and understand you're thinking but re prices, especially food prices they're only going to go one way.

 

[Ashdown]

Respect you're position Marty and understand you're thinking but re prices, especially food prices they're only going to go one way.

A lot of people in this country could do with eating less, it might be good for the health of the nation !!

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Even Gizzela Stuart MP admits the populace are not qualified to make such a decision, we've been asked to do the job of those we elect quote.

oh dear

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Right again and yes the other motive is to scare off others.

and you think its ok that they should try to 'scare off others'?

 

[dutchman]

Food was a lot cheaper in Britain before it joined the Common Market due to the different way farmers were subsidised. It shot up in price almost overnight.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Ditto we had an offer accepted on a place in Spain last week, the price went up £6000 overnight with the drop in the pound, we will either renegotiate now or shelve it for a while. But it's a price worth paying for self determination and a chance to put the brakes on immigration.

Good to see you're helping the housing crisis by bogging off elsewhere...

 

[martcov]

and you think its ok that they should try to 'scare off others'?

Yes. I think it is justified. A panic or rush to get out would cause immense problems for everyone - whether you are for remain or leave, economic turmoil could lead to disaster.. The main players will try to hold the group together.

 

[martcov]

Food was a lot cheaper in Britain before it joined the Common Market due to the different way farmers were subsidised. It shot up in price almost overnight.

Food is cheap here in Germany. I have the feeling it is cheaper in relation to pre EU Britain. I think it was certain foodstuffs that were cheaper then - beef if I recall rightly was one of them.

 

[wingy]

Food was a lot cheaper in Britain before it joined the Common Market due to the different way farmers were subsidised. It shot up in price almost overnight.

As a percentage of Income?
I don't think so

 

[chiefdave]

As a percentage of Income?
I don't think so

Few years old now but if anything prices have gone down since this was produced.

British consumers are spending a lower proportion of their income on food and drink than at any time since records began.

Results from the Office for National Statistics’ show that the proportion of household income going on food and soft drinks now comes to just 15%.

That is less than half the share it took when the first Family Expenditure Survey was conducted 50 years ago.

Edit: Seems that prices have indeed fallen since the above quote was written.

Good news for shoppers: supermarket giants Tesco and Sainsbury’s have cut the price of a basket of basic household goods by 12%-13% over the past four years

 

[dutchman]

Food was cheaper in Britain before it joined the Common Market than after it joined whichever way you measure it.

And there was no continuous stream of lorries driving to Dover just to claim an EU subsidy either.

 

[skybluetony176]

A lot of people in this country could do with eating less, it might be good for the health of the nation !!

We also have food banks because people can't afford to eat enough without them. Is the use of food banks in this country going to go up or down?

 

[Astute]

We also have food banks because people can't afford to eat enough without them. Is the use of food banks in this country going to go up or down?

Try asking yourself why food banks are needed.

 

[Astute]

Food is now much cheaper now than before the EU for one major reason. Supermarkets.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Try asking yourself why food banks are needed.

Because the state doesn't do enough.

 

[skybluetony176]

Northern Ireland seem to be uniting across the political divide on this

https://www.change.org/p/arlene-fos...publish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-no_msg

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Yes. I think it is justified. A panic or rush to get out would cause immense problems for everyone - whether you are for remain or leave, economic turmoil could lead to disaster.. The main players will try to hold the group together.

Well you've shown your true colours there haven't you.

You've confirmed that you support the notion that the EU is fully justified in silencing the voice and preventing the will of the people of sovereign nations from democratically expressing a wish to leave the EU.

In my book that's a disgusting statement and a betrayal of the basic principles of democracy.

Shameful.

 

[skybluetony176]

Food is now much cheaper now than before the EU for one major reason. Supermarkets.

Because we're still recovering from a recession caused by a banking crisis that we're yet to recover from and have just voted in another recession.

Am I right?

 

[martcov]

Well you've shown your true colours there haven't you.

You've confirmed that you support the notion that the EU is fully justified in silencing the voice and preventing the will of the people of sovereign nations from democratically expressing a wish to leave the EU.

In my book that's a disgusting statement and a betrayal of the basic principals of democracy.

Shameful.

Yes, if the democratically elected governments of the 'big players' get together to prevent minority countries pulling out in order to prevent a breakup, then ok. It is called democracy - get over it.

 

[Astute]

Because we're still recovering from a recession caused by a banking crisis that we're yet to recover from and have just voted in another recession.

Am I right?

The banking crisis that happened because the economists that you said that know what they are talking about guessed wrong. Just like they did about the Euro.

 

[Astute]

Yes, if the democratically elected governments of the 'big players' get together to prevent minority countries pulling out in order to prevent a breakup, then ok. It is called democracy - get over it.

So you are saying that democracy is larger countries making smaller countries do what they want?

 

[martcov]

The banking crisis that happened because the economists that you said that know what they are talking about guessed wrong. Just like they did about the Euro.

It also happened because of lack of controls/ regulation. The Euro is still here.

 

[martcov]

So you are saying that democracy is larger countries making smaller countries do what they want?

Democracy is about the majority making decisions - in this case to protect a Union which the minority also agreed to. There are rules and the smaller countries have agreed to them - including article 50.

 

[Captain Dart]

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Try asking yourself why food banks are needed.

Hope it isn't typical, but if you watch these Life on Benefits programs half the people featured seem to exhibit 4 or more of these behaviours..

a) have a pet they probably can't afford
b) pay for a Sky subscription or telephone contract
c) smoke fags
d) have unrealistic dreams
e) have bad health
f) a complete inability to budget or prioritise
g) have taken out a loan on high interest

 

[lewys33]

Immigration was absolute key on this referendum, that and a rejection of the quite pathetic bullying tactics and bullshit of the 'Remain' campaign. On immigration what swung it for me was Corbyn saying that there should never be any upper limit or control over immigration..................... and on the economy , Osborne's threat of a special budget to punish the ordinary people who might have the temerity to vote against the establishment. Well fuck you ! Corbyn, Blair, Brown, Osborne and Cameron. The result has already temporarily damaged my personal economy but I guessed there would be a short term shock, but I don't care, it's a price worth paying for democracy and to give my kids the chance of being able to compete fairly for employment in the future in their own country. I know plenty of well heeled people, business owners and graduates alike who voted leave, they were not all 'Little Englanders' as some cunts dare to suggest, just ordinary folk who were sick of the ambitious and expanding arrogant monster that is the EU and the way they pretty much laughed in Cameron's face when he sought changes and concessions earlier this year. I hope the whole project collapses and we can get back to pre Brussels.

Really ...... Really ..... Struggling ...... to avoid commenting on this bullshit. It's done now though so I'll shrug it off.

Look at how many ridiculous comments there have been on this thread; the vote is done gents! Tony, astute et al, go enjoy the weekend with your family. Live with the decision made whether you agree or disagree.

 

[chiefdave]

vote is done

The vote might be done but I fear the turmoil now will not just be over how and when we exit the EU.

Sturgeon has already said the SNP could block the UK leaving the EU, there's pressure mounting in Northern Island for similar. You've also got Scotland and NI potentially leaving the UK, or at the very least having referendums when article 50 is invoked.

There's increasing racial tension, not just limited to social media. Hopefully that won't ignite into anything more serious or physical.

And the country is seemingly leaderless. Cameron reportedly said 'why should I do the hard shit' before announcing his intention to resign but he won't be replaced for months. A leadership election likely means those who were leading the leave campaign concentrating more on winning that than implementing their leave plan - if they even have a leave plan.

What we need now is stability and a clear plan of action quickly and decisively implemented. What we seem to have is nothing like that.

 

[Astute]

Because the state doesn't do enough.

We should pay more tax so we can pay the EU more like they want, let everyone come to live here that wants so pay for more homes, hospitals, schools, roads and similar and give more money to those that don't work?

I agree that those who can't work should get more. And enough to live on for the others. But who's fault is it for those who get sanctions for not bothering looking for work? Or those who keep having kids to play the system. I have more kids than most. But I always worked to pay for them. And all of my kids that are old enough work and pay their tax.