I’m stating Northern Ireland is British. No more or less. You’re going to in depth to a very complicated situation. I try and keep it simple and Northern Ireland are a British country and Ireland is a republic. There is the border problem to solve as a result.
I don’t want to go into every Irish citizen and ask them as I don’t have the time these days.:wideyed:
Wouldn't every single person who was banging on about taking back control of our borders want and expect there to be a hard border complete with passport checks and all the usual immigration controls you'd expect when entering another country?
I know Scottish people who prefer to describe themselves as being Scottish and not British.I know a few people from the north who prefer to describe themselves as Northern Irish, not British. They also want NI to remain in the CU and SM. It's not going to be possible for NI to leave both and avoid a hard border.
So you didn't read what I said. How unusual.Do you? It doesn't sound like it
You don't need a passport to cross in Ireland, which I believe he is referring to.
Isn't it strange how you twist what is said and then Mart agrees with you.That has nothing to do with what Dave posted whatsoever. Why not join in the debate and demonatrate your neutrality rather than coming out with soundbites from the Mail?
Who said from North to South? Making it up as you go along again. You don't need a passport as I said but you need photographic proof to be safe. So most already take their passport as I said.You don’t need photographic proof of who you are to cross from north to south. The only reason you need photographic evidence of who you are to cross the water into Ireland is as a result of the September 11th attacks and zero to do with anything discussed. If you flew to Newcastle from Birmingham you need the same photographic evidence of who you are.
Who said from North to South? Making it up as you go along again. You don't need a passport as I said but you need photographic proof to be safe. So most already take their passport as I said.
Common Travel Area between Ireland and the United Kingdom
Do you still want to try and prove me wrong yet again and fail?
And yet again someone is wrong and Mart agrees with them.
Who said from North to South? Making it up as you go along again. You don't need a passport as I said but you need photographic proof to be safe. So most already take their passport as I said.
Common Travel Area between Ireland and the United Kingdom
Do you still want to try and prove me wrong yet again and fail?
And yet again someone is wrong and Mart agrees with them.
What has 9/11 got to do with it?The problem and conversation is about traveling between north and south not the issues of boarding a plane post 9/11. You should at least try and make it relevant if you’re going to join in a conversation. At least KOK understands what’s being discussed even if we don’t agree on solutions.
The border will be clearer, but not clear cut? Explain.
I just meant it’s not clear cut at the moment but in time it will become clearer. In my opinion a solution will be found.
What has 9/11 got to do with it?
Nothing.
But you don't want to admit being wrong as usual.
Channel four did a thing recently where they gave a load of English people a blank map of Ireland and asked them to draw where the north south border was. Unsurprisingly hardly any of them knew. Certainly no one drew it on the coast separating two U.K. countries and that’s a real prospect. An EU border dividing the UK. I wonder how many of the we know what we voted for mob voted for that? Or even considered it.Of course a solution will be found. This whole conversation is about what it will be. I’m for moving the border to the sea as that would be easiest to control and keep the GFA in effect.
The DUP will jump up and down, but they will have to respect the GFA and the vote for border controls through Brexit.
ROI and the EU don’t want a border on their territory. We want border control, so it will have to be between Brexit Britain and Remain NI and the ROI.
Enjoy.
Protestants voted remain on mass
No....no they didn't.
Catholics voted to remain......Protestants voted to leave.
https://www.qub.ac.uk/brexit/Brexitfilestore/Filetoupload,728121,en.pdf
As for anecdotal evidence, I used to travel to Derry 4 times per year for work, as well as Belfast, Cork, Limerick & Dublin on many occasions both pre & post the Good Friday agreement........I have ALWAYS had to show photo ID........maybe I just look dodgy
You should probably read what you link before you link it. You’ve just disproved your own post with the evidence that you’ve linked. Still, saved me the job. Cheers.
Who do you travel with? They need reporting.I have been travelling to Ireland by sea and air to both Belfast and Dublin my whole life, that’s 43 years. And I’m telling you that I never once had to show photo identification pre 9/11. In fact I didn’t even have a passport until I was 19 for the first time I traveled abroad. That’s at least 19 times (sometimes we’d go twice in a year) pre 9/11 with no photo ID available if I did have to show it, which I didn’t. 9/11 changed everything except the north/south border and its the north/south border that’s likely to change because of brexit. Try telling me I’m wrong when you have an idea of what you’re talking about.
Looks like he is digging a hole so deep that he will be in Australia soon.I don't see how.....it says....
Catholics overwhelmingly voted to stay by a proportion of 85 to 15 while Protestants voted to leave by a proportion of 60 to 40. Similarly, two thirds of self-described ‘unionists’ voted to leave while almost 90 percent of self-described ‘nationalists’ voted to remain
And as usual MP's are clueless until you find an article that goes with what you say. Then suddenly they know everything.Even the Brexit Committee of MP's set up to oversee Brexit say that goverment proposals aren't workable on the Irish Border.
MPs doubt Brexit Irish border fix
Who do you travel with? They need reporting.
://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_abroad/freedom_of_movement_within_the_eu/common_travel_area_between_ireland_and_the_uk.html
Would you like to explain this then?
And as usual MP's are clueless until you find an article that goes with what you say. Then suddenly they know everything.
Looks like he is digging a hole so deep that he will be in Australia soon.
I don't see how.....it says....
Catholics overwhelmingly voted to stay by a proportion of 85 to 15 while Protestants voted to leave by a proportion of 60 to 40. Similarly, two thirds of self-described ‘unionists’ voted to leave while almost 90 percent of self-described ‘nationalists’ voted to remain
Moron?The clue is in your own link you moron. Try reading it again and try reading some of the links within the page itself. It wasn't written in stone in the 1920's never to be changed. It's been amended many times to accommodate changes not just in Ireland and the UK but also the world. You're just reading a guide to the current post 9/11 post GFA version of it. Are you really this stupid or is it an act?
MP's are clueless. Agreed?This is MP's saying MP's are clueless. Not really sure what point you think you are making.
Looks like he is digging a hole so deep that he will be in Australia soon.
So what is a 60/40 vote then?Because you said Protestants voted to leave, although you have just acknowledged 40% didn't.
Channel four did a thing recently where they gave a load of English people a blank map of Ireland and asked them to draw where the north south border was. Unsurprisingly hardly any of them knew. Certainly no one drew it on the coast separating two U.K. countries and that’s a real prospect. An EU border dividing the UK. I wonder how many of the we know what we voted for mob voted for that? Or even considered it.
Because you said Protestants voted to leave, although you have just acknowledged 40% didn't.
Just a normal day for Tony the Tory :smuggrin:I see Tony has attempted to gloss over the fact that he was completely wrong about the protestant vote......
.....and then gloss over his piss poor attempt to discredit my evidence by accusing me of not reading my own link......which clearly he didn't read himself....or maybe he just didn't understand it.
Anyway......Happy Friday Folks.
But you can't have both. You either have border controls or you retain the open border between NI and ROI. That's where the border between the UK and EU will be.We as leavers do want border controls. I repeat I don’t know one leaver who wants a border with Ireland.
But that's the point. You say when you go to those counties there is a big queue. What about the 35K people who work on the other side of the border to which they live. Are they all expect to queue up twice a day?I’ve been to loads of non Eu countries in the last few years and other than one big queue access is easier than getting through Paris or Amsterdam passport control.
You have more chance of Juncker admitting his part in the massive tax dodge for Luxembourg than of Tony the Tory admitting he is wrong. And we know that as he has enough opportunities to do so.Ha ha.....I posted a link to evidence that proved you were talking out of your arse.........just admit you were wrong & move on.
Moron?
Show some evidence then.
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