The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (161 Viewers)

[dancers lance]

The Germanworkers at VW were paid in part with credits for a car. That was their carrot. But in the end production was switched to wartime vehicles and the workers lost out.

I am sure there are other stories about forced labour during the war.

Bosch & Mercedes have a rather 'awkward' track record.

 

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[Grendel]

What on earth are you on? I dared to point out lies and omission of important factors by right wing National Socialist web sites to push their agenda. Yes, I don’t like Nazis or people pushing similar anti democratic agendas. Your dumbfuck logic twists that to therefore I am a secret Nazi and don’t like democracy.

The German car industry will move it’s part producers and target new markets such as Poland.

If it was me, I would see the UK as a declining market at least short term.

You know nothing about the car industry so don’t even try and pretend you do. Margins and price structures mean the uk is by far its most profitable market in Europe. Your comment on Poland is frankly pathetic. BMW sold record numbers in the uk last year - about 30% of the total Poland new car sales - and at margins which would be treble that in Poland. So effectively you’d have to sell at least 750,000 bmw in Poland - 100% market share.

Stick to a subject you know about - far right extremists.

 

[martcov]

You know nothing about the car industry so don’t even try and pretend you do. Margins and price structures mean the uk is by far its most profitable market in Europe. Your comment on Poland is frankly pathetic. BMW sold record numbers in the uk last year - about 30% of the total Poland new car sales - and at margins which would be treble that in Poland. So effectively you’d have to sell at least 750,000 bmw in Poland - 100% market share.

Stick to a subject you know about - far right extremists.

Maybe not, but there was talk here of moving parts production from the UK to the EU. But you know more.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You aren’t putting anyone on the ropes. You are showing how right wing sites with an agenda have turned the facts around by omitting certain factors. As CD says you are actually talking about possibly 1,3% blagging it. But you are totally wound up by it.

You should really fact check these sites you quote. I am not denying that are bad people or ungrateful bastards amongst the refugees, but I am always suspicious when people only list refugee crimes and they often turn out not to be what they have been said to be. These sites will not list any of the over 400 attacks on refugees in the last quarter in Germany. Why?

Right wing violence is increasing as the AfD amongst others such as Pegida has legitimised it for some. Hence...“they are only taking things into their own hands“ „understandably“ „it is not as bad as gang rape“ etc..

The same tactic is used on the press „Lügenpresse“ was the Goebbels Slogan when building up the Nazis before they came to power. „Lying press“ is now „fake news“. Discredit the people who are holding you to account. Goes for Bannon, Trump, Roy Moore at the moment, and so on. In Putin’s Russia the journalists get murdered... even more effective.

He's all over the place, as you have been on this subject a few times.

The right wing alternative sites won't cover crimes against migrants, but equally the main stream media largely won't cover the crimes commited by migrants. Therefore to find out what's going on you need to cross check everything, have some real life experience and apply some common sense.

I have never said all migrants are criminals, but there are a lot of problems. These problems are largely being ignored or watered down, and this is what is spurring on the right the most unfortunately.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

82% of migrants did not turn out to be adults, that's a totally false statement.

4,200 people who the Swedish Migration Agency already suspected were adults are subject to medical age assessments (an assessment that is far from accurate in the first place). Of those 581 have been completed:
442 were categorised as “suggests that the person examined is 18 years old or older”
134 were categorised as “possibly suggests that the person examined is below 18 years old”
5 were categorised as “possibly suggests that the person examined is 18 years old or older”

The key fact you're missing is that for that same time period there were 35,000 unaccompanied migrant children so even if you think the test is 100% accurate then the number falsely claiming to be children is 1.3%

You must be a special kind of fool to think I actually meant that figure for all migrants, as we have been specifically talking about these studies the entire time.

The thing is, you know that. You've just got pretty much nothing to say on my points so you've resulted to blatantly mudding the waters.

The end result is, a large amount of migrants who were examined after saying they are children, are not. That is a fact, and that fact was called 'hate' when first announced, which is very dangerous.

As I'v said many times, cover the truth with sand, point the finger the other way, and try to belittle others. That kind of behaviour gave Brexit and Trump a massive boost, and they'll be a hell of a lot more of that sort of shit to come...

 

[Sick Boy]

You must be a special kind of fool to think I actually meant that figure for all migrants, as we have been specifically talking about these studies the entire time.

The thing is, you know that. You've just got pretty much nothing to say on my points so you've resulted to blatantly mudding the waters.

The end result is, a large amount of migrants who were examined after saying they are children, are not. That is a fact, and that fact was called 'hate' when first announced, which is very dangerous.

As I'v said many times, cover the truth with sand, point the finger the other way, and try to belittle others. That kind of behaviour gave Brexit and Trump a massive boost, and they'll be a hell of a lot more of that sort of shit to come...

"More of that sort of shit to come"? Like what? More MPs murdered by far-right scumbags? Terrorist attacks by the far-right against innocent people?

Do you want to elaborate?

 

[Grendel]

Maybe not, but there was talk here of moving parts production from the UK to the EU. But you know more.

Lol what’s that got to do with selling cars which is what the point was?

Oh and the only reason for that is cheap labour in the likes of Poland nothing at all to do with brexit

 

[Astute]

if they don't exist then he should be sacked for not revealing so prior to the vote on them being released. A waste of time and money.
Anyone defending this clown shoe really needs a word with themselves.

I don't know anyone who defends him. The same as I don't know anyone who defends Farage. But if you believed some of the crap on here you would think that he is hero worshipped.

 

[Astute]

Maybe not, but there was talk here of moving parts production from the UK to the EU. But you know more.

There were talks about moving all banks away from London. There were talks aboit moving all Euro trade away. There were talks about moving all car manufacturing away crom the UK. There was a lot of talk.

London is a massive financial centre for the world. Nothing is going to change there. BMW have just released the news that the new electric Mini is going to get built here. They could have built it anywhere.

I suppose that the German car makers still don't want a trade deal

 

[Astute]

"More of that sort of shit to come"? Like what? More MPs murdered by far-right scumbags? Terrorist attacks by the far-right against innocent people?

Do you want to elaborate?

'Millions of Africans' will flood Europe unless it acts now, warns European chief, as Paris evacuates huge migrant camp

 

[clint van damme]

I don't know anyone who defends him. The same as I don't know anyone who defends Farage. But if you believed some of the crap on here you would think that he is hero worshipped.

he as defended a few posts back!!

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not missing the point as I wasn't making one about whether Davis is competent or should keep his job. My point was regarding the lack of use of any assessments now and the fact that if they were going to be produced this should've been in advance of the referendum vote so the public had further information (However unreliable/inaccurate the assessments might have been they probably wouldnt have been any worse than the threat of immediate recession and 500k job losses which appeared to have no actual basis)

Let's be honest all we heard during the debate was unsubstantiated bullshit from both sides

HAHAHA, the old both sides as bad as each other argument!! He misled parliament, he lied to parliament and he lied on FOI requests. If you think that's OK for a minister to behave like that that's your call.
I thought part of the reason for the leave vote was to maintain Sovereignty and preserve British parliament? Was that with the exception of deception by tory ministers.

 

[dutchman]

I suppose that the German car makers still don't want a trade deal

They have jointly stated that protecting the single market is more important to them than protecting their UK profits.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The irony of this being that quite a few of these "German Car Companies" wouldn't even exist without the actual Nazi regime, but it was a while back, doesn't seem to count anymore.
Just one of many....In an historical investigation commissioned by the company — the last German auto company to do so, preceded by Volkswagen, Daimler and BMW — found that when Audi was operating under the name Auto Union, it struck a deal with the SS, by which more than 3,700 inmates from Nazi concentration camps were put to work for the company.

Well... you can blame / thank Billy Rootes for the Beetle ending up a German car and not a British one

 

[skybluetony176]

There were talks about moving all banks away from London. There were talks aboit moving all Euro trade away. There were talks about moving all car manufacturing away crom the UK. There was a lot of talk.

London is a massive financial centre for the world. Nothing is going to change there. BMW have just released the news that the new electric Mini is going to get built here. They could have built it anywhere.

I suppose that the German car makers still don't want a trade deal

How do you know nothing is going to change? The government hasn’t done any leg work on the impact of brexit. Here’s one fact that has been made. Part of the reason London is a massive world financial centre is because of something called passporting which is gained by single market membership which allows world banks to set up in London and do business with the whole of the EU. As out means out and we’re having a hard brexit banks based in London are going to lose that right. What will the effect of this be? The government doesn’t know as they’ve failed to prepare. But you’re being more than a little bit naive if you think “nothing” is going to change. Financial institutions are going to lose something that allows them to do business all over the EU from London. Of course something is going to change. The government just doesn’t have a clue what. Meanwhile full steam ahead into the brexit tunnel.

 

[Sick Boy]

'Millions of Africans' will flood Europe unless it acts now, warns European chief, as Paris evacuates huge migrant camp

How is that more of the likes of Brexit and Trump?

 

[martcov]

Lol what’s that got to do with selling cars which is what the point was?

Oh and the only reason for that is cheap labour in the likes of Poland nothing at all to do with brexit

The story was that it has to do with supply chains to produce cars to sell.

 

[dutchman]

Well... you can blame / thank Billy Rootes for the Beetle ending up a German car and not a British one

You could also blame the British Army major who restarted Volkswagen production in Germany.

That worked out well didn't it?

 

[martcov]

'Millions of Africans' will flood Europe unless it acts now, warns European chief, as Paris evacuates huge migrant camp

You are on catch up now. This problem is well known. It is geographical. Merkel said a while back that Syria will solve itself in the end as one side will win. The real problem for Europe is Africa which has a huge percentage of young people. We have to invest in Africa. If not they will make sea crossings to Europe. One aim of having a European Defence Force is joint missions in Africa to help stabilise countries when necessary.

 

[martcov]

You could also blame the British Army major who restarted Volkswagen production in Germany.

That worked out well didn't it?

I heard that we offered VW when we were in charge of Northern Germany, but turned it down.

 

[Astute]

They have jointly stated that protecting the single market is more important to them than protecting their UK profits.

Where we are the most profitable country to them.

So how could a trade deal wreck the EU? Not having one will do damage though. And to both sides.

Talk is cheap. And at the minute we have nothing but talk.

 

[Astute]

How do you know nothing is going to change? The government hasn’t done any leg work on the impact of brexit. Here’s one fact that has been made. Part of the reason London is a massive world financial centre is because of something called passporting which is gained by single market membership which allows world banks to set up in London and do business with the whole of the EU. As out means out and we’re having a hard brexit banks based in London are going to lose that right. What will the effect of this be? The government doesn’t know as they’ve failed to prepare. But you’re being more than a little bit naive if you think “nothing” is going to change. Financial institutions are going to lose something that allows them to do business all over the EU from London. Of course something is going to change. The government just doesn’t have a clue what. Meanwhile full steam ahead into the brexit tunnel.

Shows how.much you know or what you don't want to admit.

 

[Astute]

How is that more of the likes of Brexit and Trump?

Don't understand you.

 

[Astute]

I heard that we offered VW when we were in charge of Northern Germany, but turned it down.

So are you German or British?

 

[Sick Boy]

Don't understand you.

I was asking him what other Brexit and Trump like events are coming our away. You posted a link which has nothing to do with what I asked.

 

[skybluetony176]

Shows how.much you know or what you don't want to admit.

British banks 'will lose access to the EU' after Brexit

And maybe you were in bed all day yesterday but David Davis admitted that they had done no impact reports on the effects of brexit to the U.K. financial services.

So tell me. What is it that I don’t know or want to admit exactly?

 

[dutchman]

I heard that we offered VW when we were in charge of Northern Germany, but turned it down.

They had good reasons at the time. It would have meant massive investment in new tooling with money they simply didn't have in the post war years. Germany on the other had massive new factories equipped with the latest machine tools and a very large pool of cheap but highly skilled labour.

 

[martcov]

So are you German or British?

We were = UK was.

Still 100% British.

 

[martcov]

Where we are the most profitable country to them.

So how could a trade deal wreck the EU? Not having one will do damage though. And to both sides.

Talk is cheap. And at the minute we have nothing but talk.

Talk is cheap. As confirmed by Davis. No impact assessment. No plan. „Thick as mince and lazy as a toad“. The description has been confirmed by his own statement. The trade negotiations haven’t started yet. Maybe that was what he meant when he said disclosures could strengthen the EU‘s negotiating stance. The disclosure is that we haven’t got a fxxking clue what the impact of any deal will have.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

"More of that sort of shit to come"? Like what? More MPs murdered by far-right scumbags? Terrorist attacks by the far-right against innocent people?

Do you want to elaborate?

Hahahahaha. More MP's murdered by far-right scumbags? You are so deluded.

That was literally one example, of pretty much the only thing since Anders Brevik. I could give you a thousand more that have been caused by leftist-encouraged Islamists. No doubt you will completely ignore it though, and be more concerened about some teenagers throwing stones at migrants over migrants turning a whole town into chaos.

This is why you lose again, and the left will continue to lose. You have no perspective or logic, yet continue to be oh so shouty. Le Pen almost won, Wilders almost won. Austria elected a right wing leader.

People are not buying your crap anymore.

 

[skybluetony176]

Talk is cheap. As confirmed by Davis. No impact assessment. No plan. „Thick as mince and lazy as a toad“. The description has been confirmed by his own statement. The trade negotiations haven’t started yet. Maybe that was what he meant when he said disclosures could strengthen the EU‘s negotiating stance. The disclosure is that we haven’t got a fxxking clue what the impact of any deal will have.

Don’t worry. The EU will bend over backwards and sing our tune, give loads of concessions while we won’t have to give any. Grendull and astute said so so it must be right. How’s that working out for them by the way

You can see exactly how trade talks are going to go. The tone has been set with the divorce negotiations. The EU will say how it’s going to be and because it’s one of the worlds biggest trading blocs we’ll agree. That then sets the tone for other trade talks on the world stage. With each passing day the idea of brexit sounds more and more stupid in the vain that the government is going. Some people need to get real and either accept what the consequences of what they chose to vote for are or admit that hard brexit isn’t a viable option and seek the middle ground.

 

[Sick Boy]

Hahahahaha. More MP's murdered by far-right scumbags? You are so deluded.

That was literally one example, of pretty much the only thing since Anders Brevik. I could give you a thousand more that have been caused by leftist-encouraged Islamists. No doubt you will completely ignore it though, and be more concerened about some teenagers throwing stones at migrants over migrants turning a whole town into chaos.

This is why you lose again, and the left will continue to lose. You have no perspective or logic, yet continue to be oh so shouty. Le Pen almost won, Wilders almost won. Austria elected a right wing leader.

People are not buying your crap anymore.

Why do you label anyone opposed to the far right as left wing?

 

[clint van damme]

Hahahahaha. More MP's murdered by far-right scumbags? You are so deluded.

That was literally one example, of pretty much the only thing since Anders Brevik. I could give you a thousand more that have been caused by leftist-encouraged Islamists. No doubt you will completely ignore it though, and be more concerened about some teenagers throwing stones at migrants over migrants turning a whole town into chaos.

This is why you lose again, and the left will continue to lose. You have no perspective or logic, yet continue to be oh so shouty. Le Pen almost won, Wilders almost won. Austria elected a right wing leader.

People are not buying your crap anymore.

can you provide any evidence of Islamists murderers waving flags of left wing groups or shouting their slogans?
There's plenty of the fella that murdered Jo Cox with his Britain first flag.
Islamists are fascists in every sense of the word. So are groups like Britain first, the Islamists just happen to be far more dangerous.

 

[martcov]

Hahahahaha. More MP's murdered by far-right scumbags? You are so deluded.

That was literally one example, of pretty much the only thing since Anders Brevik. I could give you a thousand more that have been caused by leftist-encouraged Islamists. No doubt you will completely ignore it though, and be more concerened about some teenagers throwing stones at migrants over migrants turning a whole town into chaos.

This is why you lose again, and the left will continue to lose. You have no perspective or logic, yet continue to be oh so shouty. Le Pen almost won, Wilders almost won. Austria elected a right wing leader.

People are not buying your crap anymore.

There are over 400 examples of right wing attacks on refugees in the last quarter in Germany alone. Tendency growing. No reports of that on your favourite sites.

Your constant use of the word „almost“ shows that most people aren’t buying your crap.

Not buying your crap doesn’t mean being left wing. In Germany it means belonging to the 87,5% majority who don’t buy your crap.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Typical of the righties this, spreading all this 'leftist' bollocks.