No what frustrates me is it gets denyed on here and it’s obvious. They want an eu army as well. One currency. One border. One superstate to quote Schulz. As you say that’s fine and people like Mart champion this but don’t deny it.
Proof a vote for remain wasn’t for the status quo.
Yes deliberately, sorry if my point went over your head.Or, tha
Or, that different countries have different procedures of ratification.
So I've read. It was a comment in a Dutch newspaper article, I don't know the details.
I know that after the vote to reject Ukraine associate membership of the EU the Dutch government passed a totally bogus piece of legislation which effectively nullified the result of the referendum.
Yes deliberately, sorry if my point went over your head.
Schultz isn't in power in Germany let alone dictating to the EU. He may want it but for it to happen every country will have to agree. If we had remained in Europe then we could have blocked any United States of Europe. As we're leaving what's it got to do with us what they do in the future?
Great. You won’t be invited to the party. All members will be given the choice. Like it or leave it. If they are up for it. Fine. If not also fine by me. What is your problem?
It depends how you define it I suppose.Have they or haven’t they?
Ah the classic veto line. It wouldn’t of made a jot of difference and you know it or I hope you do. The Eu rebadged the Lisbon treaty and got it though.
The cat is well and truely our the bag now. This was the plan all along
No I havent got one. I get annoyed when it was denyed on here that’s all. Labour mps were right back in 1975. This was the plan all along for a European superstate. If you believe in that like you do then fine you have my respect but I don’t believe in it.
Thank goodness we are leaving is all I can say.
Great. You won’t be invited to the party. All members will be given the choice.
The member states' governments will be given a choice, the member states' voters will not necessarily be given one.
Well yes. But, it is only Schultz. The coalition has not been agreed yet, and may not even happen. The 26 other interested parties, i.e. the member countries, have not had a chance to air their views. You are jumping up and down for no reason. I would like to see what exactly is proposed and what the others are prepared to accept. Seems a more sensible approach.
Good. They elected their parliament. It’s parliament’s job to look after their interests. Look what happened with our referendum. A total and utter mess. Completely planless. Pity parliament didn’t debate the case for and against based on evidence. Then we could elect a new government if they got it wrong. If 17,4 million people have made a mistake, we don’t have any recourse.
Interesting, I’ve noticed this repeatedly with you. Whenever the subject is Germany/EU it’s always ‘let’s wait and see what happens’ or in this case ‘I would like to see what exactly is proposed and what the others are prepared to accept. Seems a more sensible approach’
Whereas when it’s UK/EU/Brexit, you have the ability to confidently predict and forecast with absolute certainty that the inevitable outcome post March 2019 will be disastrous.
Strange that.
Anyone might think you were a sore loser.
The thing you don’t get is that the people directly responsible for the narrow leave vote were your heroes Juncker and Tusk. Their arrogant refusal to give Cameron anything substantial to bring back to the pre--referendum electorate gave the Leave campaign just the evidence they needed to demonstrate that ‘leave’ was the way to go.
Any kind of gesture would have more than wiped out that narrow 4% winning margin but instead the two bumbling fools just stuck two fingers up to the UK.
Why would I need to? The left constantly panders to Islam as they are a minorty, completely disregarding that it is largely a medieval belief system.
There are some right wing nut jobs, but they are generally isolated lone wolves to be honest. I hate them too.
You are right both groups are facists, but the Islamists are far more dangerous and in much greater numbers.
Ah the classic veto line. It wouldn’t of made a jot of difference and you know it or I hope you do. The Eu rebadged the Lisbon treaty and got it though.
The cat is well and truely our the bag now. This was the plan all along
And now the truth is out in the open many more that were having doubts that voted leave will know they are right.He has said that all countries will be asked if they will accept majority voting. If they don’t they have to leave. It is the only way forward because of the reasons such as Astute’s point that one country the size of a city can block the whole EU with a veto. So, when the question is put to the members, they are not forced to accept it. If there is a cat, it is that you, Astute, and others are against the EU whatever happens, even if they try and take care of Astute’s own criticism. But, leavers, your opinion doesn’t matter a fxxk. You are leaving and sailing into a glorious sunset..... allbeit withou a plan/ seachart or a clue where you are heading to. Maybe Captain May can control her motley crew and save the ship, but judging by the calibre of the crew, I think you’re going to hit the rocks sooner rather than later.
If you want to keep the veto you are out of the EU.I’m thinking you don’t understand how the veto works.
I’m thinking you don’t understand how the veto works.
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And now the truth is out in the open many more that were having doubts that voted leave will know they are right.
I understand fully how the veto works. I also understand how referendums work. The french and dutch had one of the constitution in 2005 and the EU rebadged it the Lisbon treaty on a carbon copy and got it through regardless.
Our veto wouldn’t of made the blindest bit of difference if even we dared to use it. Surely you acknowledge that?
I understand fully how the veto works. I also understand how referendums work. The french and dutch had one of the constitution in 2005 and the EU rebadged it the Lisbon treaty on a carbon copy and got it through regardless.
Our veto wouldn’t of made the blindest bit of difference if even we dared to use it. Surely you acknowledge that?
If you want to keep the veto you are out of the EU.
He has said that all countries will be asked if they will accept majority voting. If they don’t they have to leave. It is the only way forward because of the reasons such as Astute’s point that one country the size of a city can block the whole EU with a veto. So, when the question is put to the members, they are not forced to accept it. If there is a cat, it is that you, Astute, and others are against the EU whatever happens, even if they try and take care of Astute’s own criticism. But, leavers, your opinion doesn’t matter a fxxk. You are leaving and sailing into a glorious sunset..... allbeit withou a plan/ seachart or a clue where you are heading to. Maybe Captain May can control her motley crew and save the ship, but judging by the calibre of the crew, I think you’re going to hit the rocks sooner rather than later.
Again. I’m not sure you know how the veto works.
If Schultz gets his way... it is take it or leave it. If you don’t like it leave. It is not a veto in that sense, but an invitation to leave because of something you don’t like or want. Where is the problem?
Are you really trying to tell me you are not left wing?
Missed the point as usual.
The veto doesn’t make a difference to these people.
So why don’t we wait til 2025 and leave for free then?
The man is deadly serious with this as the others are but Schulz is the only one to have to balls to say the truth.
I will see how they let other countries “leave” so easily as you put it before I would say anything.
Which people? The EU? We are in the EU. That means us as well as 27 others.
Yes the EU. My point when going off about referendums also is the EU haven’t listened to them. They ignore them and press on. As juncker says “when things get serious you have to lie”
Also another 15 months and we will be gone. So it is then 27.
I was talking of the present “people” as you were referring to past events... I presume. He is proposing a choice on a specific proposal. It is not leave or remain where nobody knows what they are really voting for. We have never had such an open choice. This is the real thing. Democracy throughout Europe. Majority decisions by countries in the EU. But, once again, Schultz is not the EU. He is not even in the EU in any form.
No but he is 95% sure going to be vice chancellor of the biggest country in the EU and he has been in the European Parliament for over 20 years with 5 of those years serving as the president of the parliament itself having two terms as president at that.
He has form and he has the creditionals. (See above) He is an EU fanatic.
Why are you playing him down?
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