The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (104 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

We should pay more tax so we can pay the EU more like they want, let everyone come to live here that wants so pay for more homes, hospitals, schools, roads and similar and give more money to those that don't work?

Where did I say that inflammatory bollocks? I repeat, immigration offers a net *contribution* to the treasury coffers, but that's not even what I replied to, is it?

We should pay more tax to help the less fortunate.

 

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[Astute]

It also happened because of lack of controls/ regulation. The Euro is still here.

Ask the countries tied to the Euro that are doing badly because of it.

 

[martcov]

Ask the countries tied to the Euro that are doing badly because of it.

We're doing great. Prefer earning in Euro at the moment. We have 0,00 borrowing the last 2 years and Even had a surplus which wie are using to feed and house the refugees. How is the pound doing btw?

 

[martcov]

So you are saying that democracy is larger countries making smaller countries do what they want?

I would ask Northern Ireland and Scotland their thoughts on that. They have more experience than I.

 

[Astute]

Where did I say that inflammatory bollocks? I repeat, immigration offers a net *contribution* to the treasury coffers, but that's not even what I replied to, is it?

We should pay more tax to help the less fortunate.

The point I was raising was the amount of people who want to keep our borders open but don't want to pay more tax so we can build what is needed for the influx of people and more money for the EU and more money for those who need it. Just look at the amount of people who vote for those who promise the lower tax bill. I pay 40% tax. How much more do you think that I should pay? Or should we lower where you start paying tax so the less well off suffer?

 

[Astute]

We're doing great. Prefer earning in Euro at the moment. We have 0,00 borrowing the last 2 years and Even had a surplus which wie are using to feed and house the refugees. How is the pound doing btw?

The pound is stronger than the Euro in 6 of the last 8 years. And the two years where it was stronger is because of a peak it hit in the last 2 years and was already on its way back down.

 

[chiefdave]

The point I was raising was the amount of people who want to keep our borders open but don't want to pay more tax so we can build what is needed for the influx of people and more money for the EU and more money for those who need it. Just look at the amount of people who vote for those who promise the lower tax bill. I pay 40% tax. How much more do you think that I should pay? Or should we lower where you start paying tax so the less well off suffer?

The best solution to that would be to sort tax avoidance and tax evasion. Also work to control the transfer of wealth to the richest people in the country.

Immigration certainly isn't the problem. The net fiscal impact of immigration is generally accepted to be no more than +/- 1% of GDP.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Sturgeon has already said the SNP could block the UK leaving the EU, there's pressure mounting in Northern Island for similar.

Well that's democracy for you! How are they going to do this Cheif? I suspect while there's been a vote, its not legally binding? Presumably something has to be passed in the house by MPs?

 

[martcov]

The pound is stronger than the Euro in 6 of the last 8 years. And the two years where it was stronger is because of a peak it hit in the last 2 years and was already on its way back down.

I got for 1,40 Euro to the pound last year Stellung, and today it is 1,23. I think I'll buy some back..

 

[chiefdave]

Well that's democracy for you! How are they going to do this Cheif? I suspect while there's been a vote, its not legally binding? Presumably something has to be passed in the house by MPs?

It's not legally binding at all.

The referendum result is not legally binding - Parliament still has to pass the laws that will get Britain out of the 28 nation bloc, starting with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

The withdrawal agreement also has to be ratified by Parliament - the House of Lords and/or the Commons could vote against ratification

I think it would be unlikely that would happen though.

I think there are two possible scenarios for it to be blocked. Firstly if we have a general election and a party wins on a remain platform. They can claim that mandate overrides the referendum result. The other possibility is that the Scottish or Northern Irish parliaments vote against leaving on the basis of the votes in their counties. Doesn't seem to be clear cut what happens then.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Immigration certainly isn't the problem.

Probably not, but it's certainly the perceived problem. If you look at the turnout being higher than general elections, plus the age of those swinging towards OUT, I'd certainly say there's a factor of having too many bloody foreigners already. Young people have always known diversity and accept it in the most part - some older people could be a bit stuck in the past.

 

[martcov]

Well that's democracy for you! How are they going to do this Cheif? I suspect while there's been a vote, its not legally binding? Presumably something has to be passed in the house by MPs?

I think these points should have been discussed prior to the vote. It seems we accidently voted the Union out, not just Britain out.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The other possibility is that the Scottish or Northern Irish parliaments vote against leaving on the basis of the votes in their counties.

That doesn't block leaving.

 

[Captain Dart]

I got for 1,40 Euro to the pound last year Stellung, and today it is 1,23. I think I'll buy some back..

Was at or lower than 1.26 euro to pound from mid 2007 to end of 2014. The euro is sick as hell itself. Its the dollar rate that is important to life here.

 

[chiefdave]

That doesn't block leaving.

What do you think will happen if Holyrood and Stormont don't give legislative consent to leave the EU?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What do you think will happen if Holyrood and Stormont don't give legislative consent to leave the EU?

We'll leave the EU.

 

[martcov]

What do you think will happen if Holyrood and Stormont don't give legislative consent to leave the EU?

Constitutional crisis... Pound collapses, shares drop off the cliff... Calls for elections

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Constitutional crisis... Pound collapses, shares drop off the cliff... Calls for elections

That too.

 

[chiefdave]

We'll leave the EU.

And in practice how would that work?

The Sewel convention states that Westminster needs the consent of Holyrood to legislate on matters that have been devolved. The Scotland Act binds the Scottish Parliament and Scottish Government to act consistently with EU law.

To amend the Scotland Act Westminster Parliament would need the consent of Holyrood and as Scotland voted remain that may not be forthcoming.

Westminster could argue they have the right to implement anyway but without consent it could get very messy and end up tied in legals for years.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Jolyon Maugham, a barrister who has blogged on Brexit, says he believes Holyrood doesn't have powers to block the UK's exit from the EU.

He told the BBC that this is because Westminster retains the power to legislate on matters concerning Scotland in "abnormal circumstances" and he believes breaking ties with the EU would count as abnormal.

 

[chiefdave]

Exactly, 'believes' it's not cut and dried because the Act is written in a somewhat ambiguous manner so as I said if Scotland doesn't give consent Westminster will either have to ignore and overrule or accept their decision. In either case the whole thing will likely end up in court for a very long time.

 

[chiefdave]

This is why we need to act quickly, that's not the same as saying we need to rush as we need to get it right. But time is of the essence, the longer the period of instability continues the more stories like this we will see and the longer it will take to recover and start growing as a non-EU country.

Several bidders for Tata Steel's British operations are close to abandoning talks with their Indian owner as the outcome of the EU referendum threatens to deepen the crisis enveloping the UK's biggest steel producer.

Police are investigating reports that signs reading "No more Polish vermin" have been distributed in Huntingdon - including outside primary schools - just hours after the result of the EU referendum was announced.

The cards read in full "Leave the EU/No more Polish vermin", with a translation in Polish on the reverse.

HSBC would move up to 1,000 staff from London to Paris if the UK left the single market, following Britain's vote to leave the EU, the BBC understands.

Brian Madderson, chairman of the Petrol Retailers Association, said that a rise of 2p-3p a litre was on the cards.

He said the plunge in the value of the pound against the dollar would have an immediate impact, as wholesale fuel prices are quoted in dollars.

The rises were likely to be implemented on forecourts next week, he said

J.P. Morgan is likely to move at least 1,000 people out of London

Morgan Stanley said it would relocate as many as 1,000 workers

Deutsche Bank employees 12,000 employees in London, and it said it was looking to relocate a good portion.

The outlook for the UK 's credit rating has been downgraded to negative by a leading agency in the wake of the Brexit vote, with warnings higher borrowing costs could hit ordinary households in the longer term.

Moody’s, one of the big three credit rating agencies, made the change to a previous assessment that the country's credit rating was stable, following the vote to leave the European Union.

 

[skybluetony176]

I see this second referendum petition was actually started by someone from the leave campaign originally ahead of the vote expected to go the other way and he's now complaining that it's been hijacked.

Funny how the leave campaign and it's supporters keep telling me that I should except democracy when they were preparing to in their own words "not accept democracy" if the vote didn't go their way all along.

 

[Ashdown]

Yes, if the democratically elected governments of the 'big players' get together to prevent minority countries pulling out in order to prevent a breakup, then ok. It is called democracy - get over it.

That's a terrible statement !! That's just what the EU has been about, no wonder you've supported it.

 

[Astute]

I see this second referendum petition was actually started by someone from the leave campaign originally ahead of the vote expected to go the other way and he's now complaining that it's been hijacked.

Funny how the leave campaign and it's supporters keep telling me that I should except democracy when they were preparing to in their own words "not accept democracy" if the vote didn't go their way all along.

So you think that your bigoted views are OK because you have found someone else that also has them?

 

[dancers lance]

So you think that your bigoted views are OK because you have found someone else that also has them?

BBC News quote......And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".
If this is true you can add Corbyn to your list of 'bigots' along with the nearly 18,000,000 others.

 

[martcov]

That's a terrible statement !! That's just what the EU has been about, no wonder you've supported it.

Well let's see what happens when the discussion starts ( has already begun ) about the breakup of the Union (UK). I also supported Scotland remaining in the UK for the same reasons - working together as a Union gives us a stronger voice and ensures peace.

 

[Astute]

BBC News quote......And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".
If this is true you can add Corbyn to your list of 'bigots' along with the nearly 18,000,000 others.

Is that the 16m that voted to stay and 2m that couldn't be bothered to vote but spat their dummies out when the vote went against what they wanted?

 

[lewys33]

Bigots and racists. All we need is a few communists and the U.K. becomes party central.

 

[dancers lance]

Bigots and racists. All we need is a few communists and the U.K. becomes party central.

No too Communist though, I don't fancy having to queue for hours with a wheelbarrow full of worthless money just to get a single bottle of the 'Dear Leaders' 1% ale, can't throw much of a party like that.

 

[stupot07]

An interesting article.


http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ar...-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ

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[SIR ERNIE]

That's a terrible statement !! That's just what the EU has been about, no wonder you've supported it.

Yes, agreed Ashdown, a shocking statement from Martcov.

He's shown his true colours.

Not only is he anti-UK, he is anti-democracy.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Interesting how many young people are appearing on TV complaining that older voters have 'ruined their futures'.

Even more interesting to discover that a poll shows that only 36% of 18-24 year olds actually bothered to vote.
So if they'd turned out in the same numbers as the older voters, the result would have been 'Remain'.

Blame yourselves.

 

[martcov]

Yes, agreed Ashdown, a shocking statement from Martcov.

He's shown his true colours.

Not only is he anti-UK, he is anti-democracy.

If the Scots and Northern Irish wish to remain, that is democracy and I'm for that - not anti UK.

 

[Kingokings204]

That's a terrible statement !! That's just what the EU has been about, no wonder you've supported it.

Worst post I've read on here.

Typical of many people these days sadly. A statement that is anti British and anti democracy to its finger tips.