The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (5 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Yes I do I just am pointing out a no deal WTO is much more likely after last nights vote. It’s obvious

why is it? Just because some tory MPs wanted a vote on the final deal doesn't mean they will vote against it, I'm fairly sure they won't.
After all, David Davis assured them they would be consulted, they obviously didn't believe the proven liar, I wonder why?!

 

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[clint van damme]

Yes and ironically made a no deal and WTO terms much more likely now. Hard brexit I believe that’s called to many. Real heroes indeed.

you think individual ministers should be able to by pass parliament to change the constitution? That's quite staggering to be honest.

 

[clint van damme]

Morons like this who physically hate democracy?

You think individual ministers by passing parliament is democracy though!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Morons like this who physically hate democracy?

This is what I expect this 'rebel' vote is all about.

However, as some on here aren't having it, I'm willing to fold my cards on this one and say we'll see what happens. Maybe it can be a good thing, but it does feel a bit Gina Miller. It was pretty clear that her intentions were to halt and reverse Brexit.

People can laugh and say 'hahaha it's democracy, you lost get over it' to try and make themselves feel better about the fact they lost the referendum, but let's face it; if this ends up stopping Brexit, I don't care which side of the fence you are on. This would be the death of democracy, and there is nothing funny about that.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You think individual ministers by passing parliament is democracy though!

I'm still wondering why *anybody* can be so upset at parliament rubber stamping this glorious deal that will be made!

 

[fernandopartridge]

This is what I expect this 'rebel' vote is all about.

However, as some on here aren't having it, I'm willing to fold my cards on this one and say we'll see what happens. Maybe it can be a good thing, but it does feel a bit Gina Miller. It was pretty clear that her intentions were to halt and reverse Brexit.

People can laugh and say 'hahaha it's democracy, you lost get over it' to try and make themselves feel better about the fact they lost the referendum, but let's face it; if this ends up stopping Brexit, I don't care which side of the fence you are on. This would be the death of democracy, and there is nothing funny about that.

The reality is that part of the Brexit campaign was about restoring the sovereignty of parliament. The unamended bill removed it. I'm glad it was defeated and hope it paves the way for a consensus Brexit rather than one to appease the Yurp haters in the Tory party.

 

[clint van damme]

This is what I expect this 'rebel' vote is all about.

However, as some on here aren't having it, I'm willing to fold my cards on this one and say we'll see what happens. Maybe it can be a good thing, but it does feel a bit Gina Miller. It was pretty clear that her intentions were to halt and reverse Brexit.

People can laugh and say 'hahaha it's democracy, you lost get over it' to try and make themselves feel better about the fact they lost the referendum, but let's face it; if this ends up stopping Brexit, I don't care which side of the fence you are on. This would be the death of democracy, and there is nothing funny about that.

it is democracy, and if you can't understand it then you don't understand Parliamentary sovereignty which was supposed to be one of the big issues of the referendum.
I doubt this will stop Brexit.

 

[martcov]

Morons like this who physically hate democracy?

If a democratically elected parliament in a country ruled by parliamentary democracy defeats Brexit then that’s it. It’s democracy, get over it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

This is what I expect this 'rebel' vote is all about.

However, as some on here aren't having it, I'm willing to fold my cards on this one and say we'll see what happens. Maybe it can be a good thing, but it does feel a bit Gina Miller. It was pretty clear that her intentions were to halt and reverse Brexit.

People can laugh and say 'hahaha it's democracy, you lost get over it' to try and make themselves feel better about the fact they lost the referendum, but let's face it; if this ends up stopping Brexit, I don't care which side of the fence you are on. This would be the death of democracy, and there is nothing funny about that.

It's the death of democracy to refuse to allow the democratically elected parliament a say on it.

 

[martcov]

You mean by yourself?

You do many each day. Then get backed up on it. Now we have someone who would prefer a hard Brexit.

Time to leave you lot to bullshit between yourselves. It is a total waste of tume trying to have a debate with those who don't want one.

So you cannot answer my question then. Ok.

 

[clint van damme]

i can't believe this democratic vote has got people so worked up yet David Davis deceiving the country and parliament over the Brexit impact reports received minimal scrutiny.
Perhaps if the Brexit minister wasn't a proven liar the rebel MPs might not have felt the need to push this vote.

 

[martcov]

We will be leaving on March 29th 2019. Leave won the referendum. We will be leaving.

If I’m wrong then you think brexit was huge then you ain’t seen anything if we are stopped from leaving.

If our parliament can no longer rule, then you ain’t seen nothing yet.

 

[skybluetony176]

It's the death of democracy to refuse to allow the democratically elected parliament a say on it.

Topically this is what kicked Star Wars off. The end of democracy in rapturous applause. I doubt May is a dark lord but Davis not so sure

 

[martcov]

This is what I expect this 'rebel' vote is all about.

However, as some on here aren't having it, I'm willing to fold my cards on this one and say we'll see what happens. Maybe it can be a good thing, but it does feel a bit Gina Miller. It was pretty clear that her intentions were to halt and reverse Brexit.

People can laugh and say 'hahaha it's democracy, you lost get over it' to try and make themselves feel better about the fact they lost the referendum, but let's face it; if this ends up stopping Brexit, I don't care which side of the fence you are on. This would be the death of democracy, and there is nothing funny about that.

No it wouldn’t. The death of democracy would be when our parliament cannot make it’s decisions on whether or not to leave the EU. Our sovereign parliament is boss - not the potato pickers in Boston or the postal workers in Chatham. It is not mob rule.

 

[Kingokings204]

If a democratically elected parliament in a country ruled by parliamentary democracy defeats Brexit then that’s it. It’s democracy, get over it.[/QUOTE

Ignore his words then. No comment on his tweet? He hates leave winning doesn’t he? He thinks all leavers are stupid and thick. Come on just admit it and I would respect you for once.

 

[Kingokings204]

If our parliament can no longer rule, then you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Leave won. Get over it. Democracy works.

Enjoy

 

[SIR ERNIE]

17,4 Million voted without knowing the outcome. One possible outcome is a hard Brexit. That is their responsibility. It is not a question of being happy or not, they have to take responsibility for their action.

You must hate the fact that the people ultimately responsible for the Leave vote are your very own Junckers and Tusk.

The two bumbling fools who cut the EU’s nose off to spite its’ face.

Sweet.

 

[clint van damme]

Leave won. Get over it. Democracy works.

Enjoy

Agreed, so why are you now defending something that is undermining it?

 

[clint van damme]

"Ignore his words then. No comment on his tweet? He hates leave winning doesn’t he? He thinks all leavers are stupid and thick. Come on just admit it and I would respect you for once."

and by disagreeing with last nights vote you are showing as much disregard for democracy as he is.

 

[Grendel]

Glad to hear it.

tbh I can see no circumstance where having any deals passed by parliament (the thing we were told was a reason to leave the EU, to maintain the sovereignty of it!) is a bad thing.

Plus it'll be such a great deal that it'll be passed without issue... won't it? I fail to see the problem.

I don’t disagree with the sovereignty argument but let’s be honest even if it was the best deal in the world Corbyn will reject it out of a far more relevant political strategy for him. Ken Clarke, the absurd Soubry and the embittered Morgan will reject purely out of self interest.

 

[martcov]

I don’t know what he thinks about leavers.

 

[martcov]

You must hate the fact that the people ultimately responsible for the Leave vote are your very own Junckers and Tusk.

The two bumbling fools who cut the EU’s nose off to spite its’ face.

Sweet.

You mean they upheld the rules?

 

[clint van damme]

I don’t disagree with the sovereignty argument but let’s be honest even if it was the best deal in the world Corbyn will reject it out of a far more relevant political strategy for him. Ken Clarke, the absurd Soubry and the embittered Morgan will reject purely out of self interest.

we will know when the deal goes to the vote and will be able to hold MPs to account.
I think there might be some surprises as to who votes with the government.
Don't think many will want to be seen as forcing a hard Brexit if there was a more conciliatory deal on the table.

 

[martcov]

Leave won. Get over it. Democracy works.

Enjoy

So if the country changes it’s mind, and parliament exits Brexit, you will willingly accept the result?

 

[Grendel]

You mean they upheld the rules?

I’m surprised you defend Tusk. He’s a revolting individual reviled in his native country.

Then again I guess I’m not surprised at all

 

[Grendel]

So if the country changes it’s mind, and parliament exits Brexit, you will willingly accept the result?

Well they won’t happen as the leader of the opposition wants a harder brexit than currently on offer

 

[martcov]

I’m surprised you defend Tusk. He’s a revolting individual reviled in his native country.

Then again I guess I’m not surprised at all

Being reviled by supporters of the present right wing government in Poland is a plus.

 

[martcov]

Well they won’t happen as the leader of the opposition wants a harder brexit than currently on offer

It was a hypothetical question.

 

[Grendel]

Being reviled by supporters of the present right wing government in Poland is a plus.

Well that’s bollocks isn’t it? He raped and pillaged the polish workers pension scheme didn’t he?

Tusk also supports the Hungarian regime - sometimes I’m sure you are on the wind up.

 

[Kingokings204]

"Ignore his words then. No comment on his tweet? He hates leave winning doesn’t he? He thinks all leavers are stupid and thick. Come on just admit it and I would respect you for once."

and by disagreeing with last nights vote you are showing as much disregard for democracy as he is.

I accept the result though. He doesn’t.

So last nights vote wasn’t about stopping or delaying brexit?

 

[skybluetony176]

Well they won’t happen as the leader of the opposition wants a harder brexit than currently on offer

Last I heard he wants to retain membership of the single market like Norway. Not sure how that can be contrived as a harder brexit than the one currently on offer.

Jeremy Corbyn is heading toward a big change in Labour's Brexit policy

 

[skybluetony176]

I accept the result though. He doesn’t.

So last nights vote wasn’t about stopping or delaying brexit?

No. It was about stopping and delaying dictatorship. Does the guy who’s comments you’re creaming over even have a vote in Parliament anymore? Isn’t he an ex MP?

 

[clint van damme]

I accept the result though. He doesn’t.

So last nights vote wasn’t about stopping or delaying brexit?

Individual ministers introducing or amending legislation or acts of parliament is a very slippery slope. Extreme and far fetched example but imagine if a minister with a liking for juveniles decided to lower the age of consent without consulting Parliament?
More realistic, plenty on here hate McDonnell, Abbott etc. Imagine if they were in government and attempted to by pass Parliament trying to get through some legislation? There would, quite rightly be uproar.

Of course there will be some who think this is a stepping stone to halting Breixt, but like you, they are missing the bigger picture quite spectacularly.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I don’t disagree with the sovereignty argument but let’s be honest even if it was the best deal in the world Corbyn will reject it out of a far more relevant political strategy for him. Ken Clarke, the absurd Soubry and the embittered Morgan will reject purely out of self interest.

And as was shown last night, some Labour Mps would vote for the right deal.

What's Ken Clarke's self interest then? He's hardly going to advance himself.

 

[Sick Boy]

We will be leaving on March 29th 2019. Leave won the referendum. We will be leaving.

If I’m wrong then you think brexit was huge then you ain’t seen anything if we are stopped from leaving.

Like what? Would this be along the lines of people bearing arms comment that Farage made?