shmmeee
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He’s peobably got this new tech called eyes and ears.
You seem to know him extremely well...or are you believing what you read in the papers?
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Saw this. When he and the others tell us to stay and demand a second referendum such as the honorable Tony Blair and cretins like nick Clegg, It’s desperate and confirms to me leaving is the best option.
It’s always been about our money (second biggest net contributor) and more importantly Tony Blair’s personal holiday money.
You’re nuts if seriously think this. Sorry, but get a grip. Tony Blair has fuck al to do with anything.
As far as I can tell, based the so-called 'negotiations' so far, Britain will be paying as much if not more towards the EU budget after Brexit as it is now.
Tusk makes another desperate appeal...................for more British money basically..............fuck off you stupid twat, can't you see what a mess our own infrastructure is in without handing you shits a load of cash to benefit the Germans ultimately !! Mind blowing !
Good point. But does that have to be the case?
It's mind blowing that you took that from what he said.
I'm convinced that this country, whether in or out, is heading for the rocks.
The tories are running it into the ground and any opposition worth their salt should have them well and truly on the ropes, instead they're too busy fighting among themselves. It's a sorry state of affairs and one that we'll end up paying for.
not if you've read some of his other posts!
I'm convinced that this country, whether in or out, is heading for the rocks.
The tories are running it into the ground and any opposition worth their salt should have them well and truly on the ropes, instead they're too busy fighting among themselves. It's a sorry state of affairs and one that we'll end up paying for.
Ah you’re back. You really should be the champion of free speech.
I don’t disagree but it doesn’t have to be like this. We don’t have to pay masses of money in a divorce bill. We don’t have to have a transitional period. I would like to know who on the leave side voted for a transitional deal for example on the basis on it wasn’t mentioned once in the campaign by either side. Then again leave voters didn’t know what they were voting for so save your breath on that reply. It’s boring.
End of the day we can call it what we want but what is happening is a compromise and it’s the worst deal. You are either in or out. Being out but accepting EU regulations and courts and transitional periods with no definite end etc etc is not being out and what people voted for.
I'd be interested to how he came to that conclusion based on what was said. I saw it as offering the hand of friendship and co-operation rather than demands to fill Germany's coffers, but oh well.
It'd be good to hear from those who told us that 'negotiations' would be 'easy' and that the UK held all of the cards. When are the trump cards going to be pulled out? Are you happy with how it's going so far? What should be done differently?
Very good questions and debate.
It doesn’t have to be like what is happening and that’s to appease both leavers and remainers the problem with that is you can have both even the EU made that clear. We are in and have the benefits or out and have the benefits. It’s a mixture of the two atm and it doesn’t work.
My opinion is and I shall try and keep this short to save blathering on. We do have a strong hand no doubts but need to play it as such. We are getting walked on because they know we have a remain cabinet majority and PM. Would this be the case if remain had won and we had a leavers majority cabinet and PM. No chance.
We need to walk away and show them we are serious and then when they come back we can have serious discussions on a healthy future relationship. This is just bullying and unpleasant. We will be out in name only and this will then drag on and on and the European question won’t go away.
You?
Yet not surprising.It's mind blowing that you took that from what he said.
No body voted for the terms and sadly plenty of leave voters failed to recognise this either when they voted or since.I don’t disagree but it doesn’t have to be like this. We don’t have to pay masses of money in a divorce bill. We don’t have to have a transitional period. I would like to know who on the leave side voted for a transitional deal for example on the basis on it wasn’t mentioned once in the campaign by either side. Then again leave voters didn’t know what they were voting for so save your breath on that reply. It’s boring.
End of the day we can call it what we want but what is happening is a compromise and it’s the worst deal. You are either in or out. Being out but accepting EU regulations and courts and transitional periods with no definite end etc etc is not being out and what people voted for.
I don’t disagree but it doesn’t have to be like this. We don’t have to pay masses of money in a divorce bill. We don’t have to have a transitional period. I would like to know who on the leave side voted for a transitional deal for example on the basis on it wasn’t mentioned once in the campaign by either side. Then again leave voters didn’t know what they were voting for so save your breath on that reply. It’s boring.
End of the day we can call it what we want but what is happening is a compromise and it’s the worst deal. You are either in or out. Being out but accepting EU regulations and courts and transitional periods with no definite end etc etc is not being out and what people voted for.
Yet not surprising.
no one knows whether we voted for a transitional deal or not. It wasn't stipulated. You can keep repeating the mantra you're either in or out but it doesn't mean it's true, it's clear to anyone there are a multitude of grey areas.
Be honest, did you know about EU atomic regulation, EU pharmacy regulation, I didn't and they're all affected.
You only have to look at the differences of opinion between leave voters to know it meant different things to different people. No matter how it pans out there are going to be people who will say that's not what I voted for, that's politics.
Something David Cameron to his credit kept banging on about right from the start. Probably dismissed as a remain lie or scare story though. Watch the Cameron Ferage TV debate, it’s pretty much Cameron’s reply to everything Ferage had to say.My worry is and do you agree that we end up half in and half out? Does that even work?
Something David Cameron to his credit kept banging on about right from the start. Probably dismissed as a remain lie or scare story though. Watch the Cameron Ferage TV debate, it’s pretty much Cameron’s reply to everything Ferage had to say.
Does it work? Works for Norway. Something Ferage once would have loved.
But we are bigger and better than Norway. Although they are a successful country and good living standards and it seems to work for them doesn’t it? They don’t seem eager to join anytime soon do they?
He’s peobably got this new tech called eyes and ears.
But we are bigger and better than Norway. Although they are a successful country and good living standards and it seems to work for them doesn’t it? They don’t seem eager to join anytime soon do they?
Tusk makes another desperate appeal...................for more British money basically..............fuck off you stupid twat, can't you see what a mess our own infrastructure is in without handing you shits a load of cash to benefit the Germans ultimately !! Mind blowing !
How is the UK 'better than Norway'? You are aware they are in the single market and accept FoM? Pay more per capita than the UK and have zero say in policies?
My worry is and do you agree that we end up half in and half out? Does that even work?
Bigger economy and bigger population. We do more trade also.
Yeah I am aware. It isn’t perfect I know but they seem to do well but a smaller not so well known worldwide country. Despite all that they are in no rush to join the EU are they?
well this is why when people say we know what we voted for I don't agree.
Norway has had 2 referendums on joining the EU, they've rejected it both times. I think the last time was 54 - 48 of a turnout of over 70%.
Since then there have been polls conducted which conclude if they had another referendum the no vote would be over 70%!
I think it's fair to say Norwegians don't want to be in the EU.
However, whenever following the Norwegian model is mentioned people say it's a soft Brexit and not what we voted for, I can't understand that at all.
So whether you consider that a soft Brexit or not is surely subjective? Some would say that is half in half out but some wouldn't consider it to be.
I think there are certain issues which people who voted leave would agree with almost universally, ending the payment of membership fees to the EU for example.
Then freedom of movement, where I would think it's a bit more mixed though heavily weighted towards those who want it to end. But I think the lines start to get blurred very quickly.
well this is why when people say we know what we voted for I don't agree.
Norway has had 2 referendums on joining the EU, they've rejected it both times. I think the last time was 54 - 48 of a turnout of over 70%.
Since then there have been polls conducted which conclude if they had another referendum the no vote would be over 70%!
I think it's fair to say Norwegians don't want to be in the EU.
However, whenever following the Norwegian model is mentioned people say it's a soft Brexit and not what we voted for, I can't understand that at all.
So whether you consider that a soft Brexit or not is surely subjective? Some would say that is half in half out but some wouldn't consider it to be.
I think there are certain issues which people who voted leave would agree with almost universally, ending the payment of membership fees to the EU for example.
Then freedom of movement, where I would think it's a bit more mixed though heavily weighted towards those who want it to end. But I think the lines start to get blurred very quickly.
We were told by Farage that the Norway option was one we could be taking and numerous leave politicans told us no one was talking about taking us out of the SM.
May's Lancaster House speech looks like a bad joke now, full of broken promises. There is no mandate for taking us out of the SM and CU, she was certain there was and utilised this message during the election campaign and look what happened.
Despite what we are told, we can stay in the SM and leave the EU. Hard Brexit is an interpretation of the result, nothing else.
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